Honda Odyssey 2005+

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  • hleftyhlefty Member Posts: 4
    Can someone please tell me where the coin box is in the Ody? I've searched everywhere and can not find it. (The official "Odyssey specifications and features" states every Ody has one.)
  • mybuymybuy Member Posts: 42
    Yes, the $500 discount was off of MSRP. From what I know of the program, the discount varies by region. FYI, when I priced a Sienna under the Costco program almost 2 wks ago, they were discounting MSRP by $1000. This was for Ohio so it may vary for your region.
  • mikeo1mikeo1 Member Posts: 53
    Minor complaint...
    One feature that I miss on my '01 HO,
    that my '92 DGC had was the
    "DTE"(Destination till Empty)
    display for the gas tank.

    That came in handy on more than
    a few trips.
  • lumbarlumbar Member Posts: 421
    I think you raise some excellent, well thought out points--particularly as to a first year model that appears to be fully priced. But a lot of people have been waiting for this van, and deferred gratification, whether practical or not, is tough. Honda and its dealers know that of course.
  • mikeo1mikeo1 Member Posts: 53
    I'm not sure "bargain hunter" and
    "Lexus" go hand-in-hand.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,555
    That, and letting an 8 YO determine what family car to get (or even worse, trying to figure out what an 8 YO will think in 5 years! The mind of a 13 YO is a strange place to be).

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • ellerphantellerphant Member Posts: 4
    I used to think those DTE things were handy until the time I ran out of gas on the interstate with my 3 kids in the Chevy Venture. My wife was less than understanding when I pointed to the DTE that said we had 51 miles worth of gas left.
    I still hear about that one.
    the cool thing about my Honda is that it runs forever after the orange gas light comes on
  • tcsubwoofertcsubwoofer Member Posts: 25
    You've raised a good point that has elicited a few thoughts of mine. The RX330 is a nice vehicle and one of my favorite SUVs. With regards to a minivan, I've always believed that Car Companies and rental shops are "gouging" the minivan market. Consider this - it costs more to rent a minivan for a week than a Ford Excursion. If I am not mistaken, I could probably rent a cadillac or BMW for about the same. I am sad that luxury minivans have crept into the $30 to 40K range. How can they justify that other than predation on a market sector?

    Even the new RX330 won't be new with the new Lexus hybrid out. Then you will have hybrids with "better" hybrid mileage - more features, etc..There will always be something new making you feel your car is outdated. I think that perhaps mercedes or porsche are timeless classics where you can look cool even in a 15 year old beater.

    My main point is that buying any new car is the biggest waste of money. But why do we do it? I do it because I want to treat myself to a fun experience and to satisfy my ego. Sure, new cars have all the safety features, but its not like 5 year old cars aren't safe as well.

    The other important thing for me is space. Despite being able to buy a used Toyota Land Cruiser, Land Rover Discovery, or Lexus RX330 for the same price as a Honda EXL or Sienna XLE, we are tired of the lack of space and function in most SUVs. Call us Americans with too much stuff. Double stroller, diaper bags, toys, electronics, etc..- that doesn't include holidays, family functions, and church functions where we transport tons of stuff. Nothing smaller than a Tahoe comes close to space - and then its hard to access the back.

    We have lots of friends with kids, family close by, and family who visit on extended stays, etc.. There is nothing more satisfying than being able to have dinner with friends with their kids and all drive in the same vehicle. Or to take my wife's mom and grandmother, two kids, wife and myself out shopping, to dinner, etc. without driving 2 cars. For my lifestyle with younger kids - a minivan is the absolute most logical choice over any vehicle if you want room for people and things. Oh yeah, lets throw in the two bassett hounds.

    So for me, a minivan is more practical than any other vehicle. I guess I've been brainwashed by marketing and I want a new minivan. That being said, again I have to admit that buying a new minivan or car is mostly for entertainment and ego. The smartest way to buy a vehicle would be to buy a 5 to 8 year old van for $10k and try not to justify my purchase by saying "new vehicles are safer, we need a car that runs,..etc." If you spent $10k on a car and budget $5k for repairs - you are still $15 to $18k below a nice new minivan with leather and selling for over $30k. I also feel that its important to be vigilant when buying a car and trying to get a good deal. But ultimately, when you are making a bad investment to begin with, what difference does $2 or $3k make (say waiting to get a better deal on an 05 Odyssey in a few months) when you are financing over 4 or 5 years and will lose most of your money anyway on a new vehicle/toy?

    My wife and I had fun last night and put a deposit on a new 2005 Ody, black. We think it will look great, be fun, and possibly give us the best return on a horrible investment. We could have bought the "close-out" 2004 hondas on the lot for $24k. We want the shiny new 2005. Before we bought it, we had to make sure we were still able to save for retirement and do other things. We know it will be nearly a complete loss. But that is one of the things we choose to spend our money on. The mother-in-law and grandmother will be here in 2 months and will spend a month with us. Then we will drive to Calilfornia with the kids. This van will get tons of full-load use.

    BTW - as my kids get older and we have less things, we will probably consider whatever luxury SUVs or vans are on the market. Based purely on ego and fun-factor, I'd like to drop my kids off at school in a shiny new luxury vehicle.

    Just a few thoughts.
  • ellerphantellerphant Member Posts: 4
    has anyone ever dealt with saturn? they supposedly have a minivan coming out soon. their simple pricing (at least the way i've heard it is) is very appealing as I hate to haggle. Do i still need to dicker? can they discount them? it would be nice if all dealers took this approach, then i wouldnt stare at the guy next to me at the stoplight wondering if he got a better deal than me. I wonder the same thing when i am sitting on an airplane.
  • lumbarlumbar Member Posts: 421
    Then I think the Ody is perfect for you. With very few exceptions (I've seen one or two claimed here), most will be paying MSRP (or, God forbid, more)initially. You won't have to worry about not getting a better deal or about haggling because the dealers won't do it.--for awhile anyway. You'll be in the same boat (or airplane seat) as everybody else.
  • mikeo1mikeo1 Member Posts: 53
    So much for your advice on
    "calming down" and waiting
    until December!
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Don't miss the Honda Odyssey: Prices Paid & Buying Experience discussion either.

    Steve, Host
  • sciencemanscienceman Member Posts: 80
    I agree with nearly everything said. And $30k+ IS a lot of money for a minivan. My wife and I usually buy 1 year old vehicles that are current in model design and drive 'em an additional 7 to 10 years. After nearly 7 years with our 97 4Runner, it's still worth 40% of what WE PAID when it was 10 months old. Now, that's what we call value. (BTW, it's current worth compared to what you paid on a vehicle that matters--not current worth compared to MSRP) Unfortunately, it's unlikely we will be able to find an '05 OD or Sienna a year from now that's for sale. So, we're forced to consider taking that big hit in first year depreciation. We can afford it with no problem, but as has already been stated, it is definitely not the best investment. On the upshot, we'll probably drive it 10 years...and our two youngsters and the one on the way (who will then be 10-15 years old) will be picked up from school in it whether they like it or not. What they will get in return is the opportunity to go to any college they want without having to apply for loans and later enter the job market with tens of thousands of dollars in college loan debt.

    We will be sitting out of the buying market a few months to see how the pricing settles down after the initial hype and/or cross shopping the Sienna for reduced pricing. We prefer the OD, but can be swayed by a good deal on the Sienna.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Most folks consider this van must have a couple of kids like myself. For those have 3 or more, I bet minivan is a way to go. But kids grow so fast. Would they really appreciate the minivan when they grow to be a teenager as they do now? Wouldn't they more "appreciate" to be dropped at school from a so-called luxury cars like Infiniti or Lexus rather than a 5-year-old minivan by the time payment is over (2009?)?

    IMO, parents are supposed to do the thinking and take a decision, not the kids. First thing, I hope, my kids won’t turn out to be would be… show offs. But I guess, this subject deserves its own thread in the News and Views section.

    I am pretty sure you must have noticed there were so many Accords, Civics and Elements sitting in the Honda dealership lot with lots of yellow and red tags on them when you go check out the 05 OD. And this could be why the dealerships try to cash in so much so fast when the demand is strong.

    I couldn’t speak for the dealerships, but a Honda or a Toyota vehicle has among the quickest inventory turn around of about 40-50 days. In the last days, before the launch of new model, the production cannot have an abrupt, but a has to gradually shift to new model. So, the older versions are still being produced at a decent pace and they will stick around the lot for bargain hunters.
  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    "Does anyone know if the Odyssey is Bluetooth enabled?
    Thanks,
    Chris"

    No, the $39K Touring Ody and $39K Sienna Limited are NOT Bluetooth enabled, but perhaps the 2007 Hyundai minivan will be :-)***hee***hee***LOL.
  • jjd968jjd968 Member Posts: 1
    COSTCO program in Atlanta quoted me $500 of MSRP
  • minyiminyi Member Posts: 27
    All the points well taken.

    I know that a Luxus may not be a "bargain" per se, but bargain does not have to be something cheap. To me, bargain is getting a good reasonable price whatever it may be even though I would have said the same thing a few years ago.

    Of course, there are always more than one way to get some where, and each family has different needs. Point was to some of us considering to buy this 05 OD at the premium price, maybe we should re-think our motivations and needs again. And it very well depends on what the other car you have. In my case, drive a trunk, which can handle occasional heavy lifting. If you have a regular sedan, no doubt a minivan would be a big help time to time.

    It IS a lot of money for a minivan as our host mentioned before. And, we all want best and safest thing for our kids, but I have seen many people talking about how safe their car was...bla bla, but they don't even put tethers on the child seats, which is much more safe thing to do in my opinion. Some of them drive the van like a sports car (when this guy vounteer to drive for a group lunch, I just say no thanks).

    Sorry for a little skepticism, and this forum supposed to be a place for exchanging info on this still mysterious 05 OD, so no more of this.. :)
  • rorrrorr Member Posts: 3,630
    "but a has to gradually shift to new model. So, the older versions are still being produced at a decent pace and they will stick around the lot for bargain hunters."

    What?

    You seem to be saying (correct me if I'm wrong), that Honda is STILL producing the old models as they gradually shift to production of the new models? Uh, wouldn't that require two completely seperate and independant production lines in the same factory?
  • raydahsraydahs Member Posts: 449
    Hoehn will sell for MSRP, they did it through the last hysteria in 99'. You'll have to wait, they probably got a looong list, but it’s worth the wait to get treated well, they’re the only ethical dealer in S.D. County, in my past experience.

    And I don’t work for them or affiliated with them, they’re just good business people FWIW.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    wouldn't that require two completely seperate and independant production lines in the same factory?

    Not necessarily. But, I don’t think automakers flip the switch between producing outgoing model one day and start producing the incoming model the other, across all production lines. A gradual shift makes more sense.

    In case of Honda, its flexible production lineup is designed to handle, not only redesigns, but also sharing of production line between vehicles using completely different platforms (Accord, Civic and Element are sharing production line in East Liberty as of now).
  • cooldad24cooldad24 Member Posts: 163
    I have friends who hate minivan for image problem and think it's not cool. A friend bought a Range Rover Discover and at least went back to dealer for repairing twice and idle on the side of the road once in the 2nd year. Another friend bought a Toyota Sequaio (seat 8) and can't hold two families 7 people and their stuff in a 4 days trips. The trunk can't hold their gear. They end up rent a minivan. I take my 99 Ody with 7 passenger, 2 families, 4 large suitcases, 4-5 small bags with food and water on a 6 days trip to Disneyland. You got the point.

    As to teenager, they only care how cool it is, what special features it has not the brand. If they do, it's parents fault because they give them the impression. I never sam my kids so ecited about the power door, individual vent and disappear 3rd row seat (they play after folding out when parked of cause) and tail gate patty. They refuse to take the ride in my wife's new car last year because the space they can have in my more than 5 years old van. You figure.

    As the price, you got what you pay for. More safety features, got to have it. Cool stuff like power lift hatch, Lazy Susan storage, why not make your lefe with it easier. I can keep going. I agree Honda pack some desired features only in higher trim but most of them you can live without them if you are tight on budget. Compare to SUV especially the luxury brands, you only can get similar equipe one at $45k+.

    I have heard people complain about Toyota's option list are too long. Almost everything is extra but it provide flexibility. Now I read someone complain Honda pack almost everything (for better value) including some they don't want but left out something they want. See? Nothing is perfect and always being criticized when go either way.
  • majordadmajordad Member Posts: 43
    Most of the previous discussion centered on Boston and CA areas. Has anyone in the DC/Balto area checked pricing on the '05 OD? I went to a dealer on 22 SEP and was surprised to see a mark-up of $1499 for the dealer prep on all models. The prep was only wheel locks, mudguards, and striping. The salesperson said, and I quote, "other dealers are charging $3K, so their $1.5K was a bargain." I don't know what type of stuff she was smoking! but I'm not going to play the buyer's remorse game for paying $1K to $3K above MSRP.

    I should note that the ride, feel and design of the OD is pretty nice. I'm really leaning toward buying either the EX-L or the Touring model.

    Its also shameful that Honda is going the Toyota route by adding the Touring model. Its just another expensive package deal. The power liftgate should have been a standard accessory for the EX-L. Maybe they'll fox this in future. Its akin to buying a Seinna wherein you have 20 packages to choose from. So you get a vehicle with one power door instead of two for $30K.

    But waht really irks me is that I can purchase an '05 Grand Caravan with power sunroof, GPS/NAV, Rear DVD, power liftgate, leather and other options for $26K but I'd rather pay an additional $12K for the OD. Oh well...
  • l5tcl5tc Member Posts: 14
    they had two of them out a a special Honda thing in Times Sq in NYC. I had a 2000 Odyssey (we have a Pilot now)

    I'm probably wrong but I don't think the buzz on the new one will be close to the '99 when it came out. At first there will be but honestly it's not that big a difference from the Sienna. In '99 there was nothing like the Odyssey, the Sienna seemed way smaller and everyone knew that the Chrysler's weren't getting the best quality reviews.

    It's going to be a great van but I don't think the Honda dealers are going to get away with gouging on price nearly as long as they did the first time around. Worst comes to worse, it'll help bring some of the prices of the Sienna's down
  • ezuckerezucker Member Posts: 34
    Samy,

    Thanks for the Costco advice. Cush Honda is the dealer I was referred to by Costco, and I had also been working with them on an '04 Sienna until I found out about the big changes in the '05 Odyssey. I understood them to say that they HAD received their Costco pricing and that Costco would not be able to offer a better price than the dealer was currently offering to everybody else. Hopefully that will change in the near future.

    -- EVAN
  • hifisoftwarehifisoftware Member Posts: 69
    I really do not think that 2 different vehicles are produced on the same line at the same time. I think there is even a term for this "retooling". This is something that happens once a year just before they start making new cars. I could be wrong here, but I've read many times that it's for new models and timing seems right. If press form changes you need to ether use new or old. Press probably stays the same, but form is one of the two, not both. Having said that I believe that old Ody production has been stooped many months ago. There is a lot of new Odys coming. Dealers will try to make it look like there is not enough of them, that's their job. I believe that by mid November prices will be bellow MSRP. Market has been saturated by Sienna for a year.
  • ezuckerezucker Member Posts: 34
    Raydahs,

    Thanks very much for recommending Hoehn. I'll give them a call today.

    -- EVAN
  • hifisoftwarehifisoftware Member Posts: 69
    I really do not think that 2 different vehicles are produced on the same line at the same time. I think there is even a term for this "retooling". This is something that happens once a year just before they start making new cars. I could be wrong here, but I've read many times that it's for new models and timing seems right. If press form changes you need to ether use new or old. Press probably stays the same, but form is one of the two, not both. Having said that I believe that old Ody production has been stooped many months ago. There is a lot of new Odys coming. Dealers will try to make it look like there is not enough of them, that's their job. I believe that by mid November prices will be bellow MSRP. Market has been saturated by Sienna for a year.
  • ezuckerezucker Member Posts: 34
    raydahs,

    I just called the Internet Manager at Hoehn, and he said they are selling '05 Odysseys only with a dealer mark-up of $3,000. He justified it by saying he has heard of dealers marking it up as much as $7,000 (which is rather hard to believe). I asked him where that was, and he said Orange County.

    -- EVAN
  • samysamy Member Posts: 8
    Evan,

    Try Penske Honda, in Ontario CA. It may be a little away from San Deigo (take I-15N) but they gave me an MSRP on the EX. You can go online and get a price. I am going to wait a little till this stuff stabilizes and try again.

    Samy
  • raydahsraydahs Member Posts: 449
    I just got off the phone with her and you're correct! I can't believe they submitted to the masses. When I was shopping for a TL when they came out, they were at MSRP! The Pilot also was at MSRP! I apologize for the misleading info, this is a first for them.
  • peddiss96peddiss96 Member Posts: 3
    We recently purchased an 05 EX. We take delivery tomorrow. We paid msrp at 28,510. Our purchase was made at Zimmerman Honda in Rock Island, IL. They also gave us $2,000 more on our trade in, an 01 Civic LX, than the other local dealer. The van is absolutely amazing. We drove a Sienna about 6 months ago and were very impressed, but waited for the Odyssey. I am surprised at how similar they are, but the Odyssey does raise the bar.
  • ezuckerezucker Member Posts: 34
    Samy,

    I went to Penske's web site, but they don't yet list the '05 Odyssey on the page for requesting an Internet quote. (They don't specify the model year, but there is no Touring option, and so I assume they are '04). Same thing for Norm Reeves Honda in all three SoCal locations.

    Maybe in a week or two they'll update their web site. I've sent them an e-mail, and I'll let you know what they say.

    -- EVAN
  • cooldad24cooldad24 Member Posts: 163
    I have friends who hate minivan for image problem and think it's not cool. A friend bought a Range Rover Discover and at least went back to dealer for repairing twice and idle on the side of the road once in the 2nd year. Another friend bought a Toyota Sequaio (seat 8) and can't hold two families 7 people and their stuff in a 4 days trips. The trunk can't hold their gear. They end up rent a minivan. I take my 99 Ody with 7 passenger, 2 families, 4 large suitcases, 4-5 small bags with food and water on a 6 days trip to Disneyland. You got the point.

    As to teenager, they only care how cool it is, what special features it has not the brand. If they do, it's parents fault because they give them the impression. I never sam my kids so ecited about the power door, individual vent and disappear 3rd row seat (they play after folding out when parked of cause) and tail gate patty. They refuse to take the ride in my wife's new car last year because the space they can have in my more than 5 years old van. You figure.

    As the price, you got what you pay for. More safety features, got to have it. Cool stuff like power lift hatch, Lazy Susan storage, why not make your lefe with it easier. I can keep going. I agree Honda pack some desired features only in higher trim but most of them you can live without them if you are tight on budget. Compare to SUV especially the luxury brands, you only can get similar equipe one at $45k+.

    I have heard people complain about Toyota's option list are too long. Almost everything is extra but it provide flexibility. Now I read someone complain Honda pack almost everything (for better value) including some they don't want but left out something they want. See? Nothing is perfect and always being criticized when go either way.
  • joyelysejoyelyse Member Posts: 21
    When do you expect to see costs go down? Even though I've been in for a test drive, and am enjoying this board, I don't really need a new car until next summer at the earliest. I really would prefer used. Are there people out there who will already be selling their '05s by then? (Unimaginable to me, since I keep cars 10+ years) We got my last car at Thanksgiving of that model year with 20,000 miles on it, but it had been a rental car. I don't think fleet are going to be buying Touring model Odysseys.

    Thanks for the Costco info. I've been a member for 11 years, and never knew they had any relationships with auto dealers.

    Joy Elyse
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Member Posts: 1,467
    My mother drives an 03...and after seeing the 05s today, I am sure she will be getting another one soon to replace our cheap Honda Passport.
  • hansiennahansienna Member Posts: 2,312
    The cheap Honda Passport is an Isuzu Rodeo with Honda badges. Honda reputation was hurt badly with that goof while Isuzu reputation was helped with the Isuzu Oasis which was a rebadged original Honda Odyssey.
  • hondasellerhondaseller Member Posts: 3
    To answer most of your questions. The 05 Odyssey beats everything in it`s class! What more do you need. Well it`s also the number 1 resale vehicle in it`s class 5 yrs. in a row. There is not much to upgrade in it either i.e. no vp package ae package/whatever. The side curtain air bags is standard on all of them and on the touring edt. the Pax run flat system is safer and far superior to Toyota`s. Not to mention the H.P. is tops in it`s class as well. The Odyssey sold at M.S.R.P. for years until this last year and this one should do the same. By the way Costco can`t help you!Costco is stricked who sells with them but the Odyssey will sell at list! You might wait forever or just get put on the back burner. There will be more buyers than Odyssey`s available. Remember don`t be shy cause of the price . This is the TOP DOG!
  • mindyaggiemindyaggie Member Posts: 4
    Has anyone been able to find an '05 Ody in Slate Green Metallic? Here in southern Virginia we just got the Odys on the lots today. We haven't been able to find a single Slate Green to look at, and the dealers aren't expecting any until the end of October or early November. We are undecided between the Slate Green or the Sage Brush, but we don't want to make the decision before we can see both! If you have seen both, what's your opinion please?

    Thanks :-)
  • fertilitydocfertilitydoc Member Posts: 5
    One oddity I noticed in the Honda pricing is that the RES/NAV on the touring addition adds an additional $3800 to the purchase price. Adding it to the Ex with Leather is only $2200. I thought this was unusual that it was that much more expensive on the Touring edition.

    I have 2005 Odyssey on order in the South Suburbs of Chicago. We know we are one of the first few people on their order list. We have been told to expect the car in the 1st 2 weeks of October. We have a 1999 Odyssey. We are getting straight MSRP on this one. I had debated for some time whether or not to order the Touring Edition but after a long discussion with my wife she settled on the Ex with Leather, RES and Navi. I really wanted the 360 watt stereo but do find it hard to justify the additional $4200 based on the stereo and the other added options. I have to admit that the pricing list confirms our decision to go with the Ex with Leather. Seems to be the "sweet spot" in pricing. Has anyone else noticed the difference in Nav/RES pricing between the Ex and Touring editions?
  • amykkbcamykkbc Member Posts: 57
    you're comparing:
    1. exl w/ RES to exl w/RES and Nav, where 2200 difference.
    2. touring to touring w/RES and Nav, where 3800 difference.
    The MSRP Honda set was way too high.
    VCM is just a natural extension of VTEC to simply leave all valves closed, compare to what the VTEC currently is doing: leaving 50% of the valves closed at low RPM, that's why iVTEC, and shouldn't cost more than $100.
    Sienna XLE w/ HU package will get you a lot more than Touring w/ Nav. w/ a lot bigger interior, and much better reliability.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Much better reliability? A lot more features? Why is the $38,000 MSRP for a Ody Touring with RES and NAV way too high compared to a $39,000 MSRP for a Sienna? Having a preference is one thing but you are extremely biased with no logic to support your bias.
  • lumbarlumbar Member Posts: 421
    Give us all a break, please.
  • lumbarlumbar Member Posts: 421
    I'm not sure about the "better reliability" bit either, but the van he's talking about has an MSRP of 38,100 including destination.

    To me, once you're talking 38K plus for a minivan, well...let's just say discussions of relative value are beside the point.
  • surjn98surjn98 Member Posts: 34
    I think Honda/dealers needs to realize that they should not be ripping off customers with the mark-ups. The only way to do that is for us customers to be patient, shop elsewhere or buy another product. After all, it's just a minivan! There are other good minivans. Specially in this case, where the 05 Odyssey looks like a Kia Sedona. Infact, the 2006 Sedona may be a better choice.
  • farmer3farmer3 Member Posts: 21
    I did the math and it is the same price increase on both EX with leather and Touring when you add RES/NAV. Both are $3800.
  • 10thcar10thcar Member Posts: 3
    My take on this pricing controversy - and it is one after the press leaks did not match the MSRP reality - is as follows:
    - Honda is evolving the Odyssey into an upscale brand, so there will likely be a lower-tier van coming to Honda buyers who balk at the 2005 Ody (we know they have smaller variants in Asia, so this looks likely)
    - The value vs. price seems to be there with the 2005, but the dealer price gouging is absolutely ridiculous and a cheap shot. I walked away from the Pilot & MDX over this same greed, and will happily do so again if the Ody cannot be purchased at MSRP.
     - Upscale buyers demand near perfection, so this Ody better not suffer from glitches from the Alabama production or design flaws like the transmission. It is unacceptable to me, given the price increase and Honda's engineering.
    - Honda can easily screw this up, by letting their dealer's have their way with Honda customers (you are buying a Honda, not a dealer) - or by botching production.
    - I have not owned a Honda since the first batch of Marysville production Accords in the 1980's. The car was far less well-built compared to the Japanese Accord that my dad owned (remember this happened to Mercedes with the ML SUV production in Alabama). Honda got it fixed, but lost some customer like me for 20 years.

    In summary, let's demand value (pay MSRP max, walk away from dealer mark up and scam add ons) and quality (no defects, and the van cannot rattle apart in 5 years). This way is win-win for both of us.

    Good luck fellow Ody buyers.
  • sjhsjh Member Posts: 4
    I had a concern about the radio as well - called the local stereo shop and it will cost $400 to install a sound system comparable to the one on my Lexus - not that I'm thrilled to replace the speakers, but it makes me feel better that I'm not going for the Touring edition - the thing that held me back on that one was the ridiculous decision to make the tires the PAX
  • lumbarlumbar Member Posts: 421
    Excellent post. My only minor quibble would be with a complete endorsement of the the value-price ratio at full MSRP, although that may be premature. Right now, my sense is that there's about $500-$1000 in there of Honda simply saying "we know you want the van, we know you have the money, so let's have it." This, after all, is what understanding your market is all about, and why I think there will be some subtle price cutting after they've exhausted their more affluent buyers.
  • ac00lraac00lra Member Posts: 69
    Sienna XLE w/ HU package will get you a lot more than Touring w/ Nav. w/ a lot bigger interior, and much better reliability.

    A Sienna will get you a lot more??? How can 25 horse power less and 15lb less torque is considered "more"??? Not too mention that the NAV in the Ody is years ahead of the Sienna. And where do you come up with $100 for the cost of VCM? If it's as easy as you said then why didn't Honda do it a lot sooner?? Your logic is... well illogical. :D
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