Honda Odyssey 2005+

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  • dinky100dinky100 Member Posts: 21
    the mstrp on the exl-res is 32410.
  • minyiminyi Member Posts: 27
    It is interesting to see some of 2005 Odyssey already made to eBay for sale. These auctions have pretty good shots for those who haven't seen these yet.

    http://search.ebay.com/2005-odyssey_W0QQsokeywordredirectZ1QQfrom- ZR8

    I am really interested to know the possible options and their prices for 2005 Odyssey...

    BTW. Does fog light comes with EX-L?
  • player4player4 Member Posts: 362
    EX- $28,510.00
    EX-L - $30,810.00
    EX-L/RES - $32,810.00
    Touring - $35,010.00
  • player4player4 Member Posts: 362
    Here are some pics i found of the 2005 Hond aOdyssey with the Gray Interior. I thibk i read someone asking for them so here they are. I just dont remember who it was.

    http://www.collegehillshonda.com/odyssey/interiordetail/index.htm
  • grayghostgrayghost Member Posts: 23
    Don't forget about the dash mounted shift lever, lazy susan storage area, voice activated navigation system, 9" DVD/w removable remote, 2-way sunroof, and the rear view camera.
  • iceman03iceman03 Member Posts: 10
    Saw these today and I have to agree that it looks much better in person than in photos.

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  • lumbarlumbar Member Posts: 421
    I agree with your general point that AWD is unnecessary for a considerable number of people--depending on the climate--but IMO you've gone too far the other way and are somewhat "underselling" its benefits for those who face inclement weather for a decent portion of the year. IMO, a well designed full-time AWD system is more proactive during slippery conditions that any FWD system (traction control or not), and will even give some handling benefits on dry road, depending on the vehicle. In short, I think 95% is a pretty extreme number regarding those who have no real need for it, although I'd agree that those people are the majority. The fact of the matter is that, if one drives like an idiot, one will have trouble in any system, but, if we assume that the average driver is sane, AWD does have some tangible benefits above and beyond a FWD vehicle.

    As far as the cost goes, it's true there is an MPG "penalty," that penalty primarily exists for those who don't really need it--not for those who derive some benefit from it. And it's hard for me to see much in the way of extra expense ($1500?) for an AWD Sienna (assuming, again, that one -values- AWD) when one considers how expensive the Odyssey has gotten in its own right. In my present situation, for example, it would be hard for me to consider spending $32-34K for an Odyssey, and not at least look closely at an an AWD Sienna. The moral of the story is not to be seduced by any drive system (or vehicle) in a vacuum but to take a full account of one's needs before making a choice.
  • iceman03iceman03 Member Posts: 10
  • kixokixo Member Posts: 35
    In the SF Bay Area, Honda of El Cerrito has a base Touring (no NAVI/RES) that was available for a test drive. Good place to test drive as it is close to hills, city traffic and the interstate.

    But not a good place to buy unless they knock the $3000 ADM off. But if they can get the markup, more power to them. That's capitalism.
  • odyncodync Member Posts: 19
    True....but those items can be had on the EX-L as well. I was listing items that come on the Touring ONLY.
  • samnoesamnoe Member Posts: 731
    is standard on EX, too.
  • sltslt Member Posts: 11
    Looking at AWD, the Sienna only offers it in their top of the line model. It is $3M more than the FWD option, a hefty $41M in the Boston area ($2M+ less if opt out on Navigation). It's quite a bit more that the top of the line Odyssey. The AWD model comes with 17" run flat tires which I "hear" are not as good in inclemt weather as the regular all season tires.

    How beneficial is AWD in inclement weather - just off road or on road too?? On a 1-10 scale, how would you rate it in terms of adding control/safety to your driving experience in inclement weather? Thanks for your feedback.
  • sltslt Member Posts: 11
    thanks for your input. wonder what you think of "lumbar"'s responce re value of AWD. I live in Boston, where do you live?
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    When people think AWD, they think SUVs. Honda (and Toyota) would rather sell Pilot (and Highlander/4Runner) for the purpose. There must be a reason AWD minivans are rarity. Stability system w/traction control is far more useful in a minivan than added cost, worse fuel economy and weight of an AWD system, IMO.
  • jimxojimxo Member Posts: 423
    Hey people if you need AWD go get the Sienna Honda is not offering it that has been known for months now.

    I like the new HO but the 2nd row seats may be a deal killer for me. It's a little to difficult for older adults to climb in and out of. Otherwise I thing advantage Honda but I mat do the Sienna thing anyway still thinking it over.
  • heywood1heywood1 Member Posts: 851
    Not true. Sienna AWD's are available in LE, XLE, and XLE Limited trim levels. I've seen LE AWD's right around $30K.

    I have no complaints about the performance of the run-flats, other than treadwear life. But I can choose a different/better brand when replacement time comes. With top-of-the-line Odyssey, you're stuck with Michelin and priorative technology.
  • dinky100dinky100 Member Posts: 21
    ok-- 2 of the seats are normal size the middle one is really skinny. It would be difficult to get the 3rd row. You either have to climb over the 2nd row or go through the back... I still think that it's worth it!
  • heywood1heywood1 Member Posts: 851
    My AWD Sienna also has Stabilty system and traction control. They're not mutually exclusive.

    Marginal difference in fuel economy of AWD vs. FWD is worth the added performance & safety. And the AWD gets far better mpg than any SUV.
  • susanpsusanp Member Posts: 7
    Does the price you quote for Touring with or without the NAVI?
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Two questions...
    1. Why have I seen only one Sienna so far with AWD? Or, any other minivan like it for that matter.

    2. Why offer VSC w/AWD?
  • donleungdonleung Member Posts: 22
    I live in Calgary, Alberta (Canada).

    There are a significant number of MY2004 AWD Siennas running around here. We can have some snow and ice on the ground for parts of 3 - 6 months a year.

    I've gotten stuck on a snowy icy road in an FWD car with traction control but I've never had the same problem with my 4Runner (part time 4x4).

    The main reason I'm getting an AWD Sienna is a higher margin of safety if driven sensibly.

    As well in Canada you can also get AWD on the Sienna CE (lowest price model in the line-up of CE/LE/XLE/XLE LTD) for MY2005. Before the Sienna CE AWD was announced officially by Toyota Canada they had estimated that AWD sales would be 12% of the total Sienna product mix. I assume the AWD percentage will actually be higher now that there is a lower priced version available.

    VSC can also increase that margin of safety further by preventing skids and thus maintaining vehicle control. You could probably get in more trouble with an AWD before the VSC would actually have to kick in due to the added stability of the AWD system; however, I assume that the VSC system would be programmed to react at the same levels of vehicle dynamics regardless of whether it was an FWD or AWD Sienna.

    Don
  • heywood1heywood1 Member Posts: 851
    I didn't understand the first one. You'll have to re-phrase.

    AWD and VSC are two entirely different things. VSC is an electronic system that helps the driver maintain control in an emergency situation. It's available on FWD and AWD vehicles.
  • hansiennahansienna Member Posts: 2,312
    The creases in the hood that extend up from the grille and the piece above the rear license plate have a remarkable resemblence to the same areas of my 2002 Chrysler T&C.
  • lumbarlumbar Member Posts: 421
    I agree, for better or worse, though I think the front view is more attractive on the Ody. I also think the side view is reminiscent of a Chrysler/Dodge van. It is an inoffensive, functional look, which is what they were after, I assume.
  • markhootmarkhoot Member Posts: 23
    Does anyone know if the same problematic trans is in the new 05? I'd hate to buy a new van and have the same problems with the trans like the old body style......

    Mark
  • dgoughdgough Member Posts: 8
    Got to drive an un-prepped EX-L around the dealer lot last night. Very nice ride. Hardly any body roll around turns. Very car-like. I felt lower to the ground, but my current car is an Explorer, so not a fair comparison.

    The middle seat is a total joke. If you put the arm rests down maybe a 3 year old could sit there. A very skinny one. Seriously, it might be 8-10 inches across at the *widest* part.

    The DVD is nice and well placed (got into the EX-L with RES). Seats very comfortable and the controls for the seat adjustments are very well thought out. I could also not find the coin holder, but it's such a minor thing. The third row is a snap to "disappear". Fit and finish very nice.

    Minor complaint: On the gear shifter, the only way to know for sure what gear you are in is to look at the lit display on the dash. The gear menu next to the shifter doesn't has a little orange line or anything. Not a big deal I suppose.

    Does anyone know the price of the EX-L with RES and NAV? The price of the EX-L with RES is 32,810 (or 32,410, I've seen both). But I haven't seen the price with the NAVI.

    Thanks,

    Dawn
  • mybuymybuy Member Posts: 42
    Are you able to remove one of the middle seats and leave the other full seat + the 8th seat in place? That would help me for long drives when we take our dog with us.
  • sltslt Member Posts: 11
    you're right re AWD being offered in other models. I want Leather, DVD and NAV as well so that puts me in the top of the line, which is a lot more expensive than the Honda comparable I believe.
  • keoweekeowee Member Posts: 4
    For at least 2 years I've been looking forward to the 2005 Odyssey to replace my aging 1977 Chevy wagon. Trouble is, I mostly use the Chevy to haul large model airplanes and need as much load floor area as I can get, but Honda in their wisdom would want me to remove & store the 2nd row seats in my already overcrowded garage.

    My Chevy has about 7'-8" loadfloor length with the front seat in a comfortable position and the 2nd row folded down. I could give up some space, but not a lot. BTW, our other use of the Chevy is to pick up our kids & grandkids at the airport, and the Chevy is running low on seats.

    Would one of you lucky new '05 Ody owners please see how much loadfloor length you can get with the 2nd row seats still onboard, but unlatched, folded, tipped, mashedagainstthe1strow, whatever to maximize loadfloor area?

    -Dave
  • dgoughdgough Member Posts: 8
    I know both "regular" seats can be removed. And the OnePlus can be removed. Wouldn't see why you couldn't just have one regular and the OnePlus. All of the seats have their own white anchors. I didn't test it though, so I don't know for sure.
  • laroy76laroy76 Member Posts: 12
    "The middle seat is a total joke. If you put the arm rests down maybe a 3 year old could sit there. A very skinny one. Seriously, it might be 8-10 inches across at the *widest* part." said dgough

    Did you actually sit in it? I sat in the +one seat on a EX-L RES and it was actually quite comfortable (I'm 28, 6 foot, 205 lbs). It's purpose is to create a bench seat effect by filling in the gap between the captains chairs. Be sure the chairs line up and the middle armrest's are up and out of the way and go and sit in it. It's surprising.

    Honda didn't go the route of Toyota and sacrifice the comfort of the middle row captains chairs by adding a same size middle seat therefore narrowing everyones seat.

    Honda figures that you'll rarely use the +one seat anyway because it's better to keep the little ones out of reach of eachother. But in that rare event you are running the whole soccer team around or when the relatives show up and you all go to dinner in the same vehicle, it's nice to have.
  • laroy76laroy76 Member Posts: 12
    Dave, measuring from the back of the second row seats to the tailgate it's a little over 5 feet. That's with the second row slid forward but still attached. It looks as though you'll have to take the seats out to get your 8 feet. Honda didn't do the Stow-n-Go thing because they didn't want to sacrifice comfort and floor height. Have you sat in the new Dodge? The seats are horrible and the floor is so high (to make room for the floor buckets) that you have no headroom anymore.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Toyota’s VSC (available in Sienna) and Honda’s VSA (standard in Odyssey) are really all that a typical buyer needs to consider safety.

    When MDX was launched, Acura didn’t complement the AWD system with VSA, and here at Townhall, we spent considerable amount of time at the attributes of each, and why VSA made sense, even in presence of AWD… safety.

    AWD would be nice to have, but not the end of it. Personally, I don’t see a point in adding cost and weight and worsen fuel economy for the sake of having something that will be useless for most part. I imagine, most people think the same, and don’t get AWD minivans. Otherwise, we will see more of them around. I certainly don’t and that’s the bottomline.
  • keoweekeowee Member Posts: 4
    Thanks, laroy76, but could I gain significant floor length if the seatbacks were folded, then the seats removed from their floor attachment points, maybe tipped forward or back, and pushed up against the backs of the front seats?

    Seems to me the earlier Odysseys gained a couple more feet this way. Of course I'd need some way to hold them in place to keep them from crushing my planes - maybe shockcord tiedowns or somethin'

    -Dave
  • minyiminyi Member Posts: 27
    It is interesting to see some of 2005 Odyssey already made to eBay for sale. These auctions have pretty good shots for those who haven't seen these yet.

    http://search.ebay.com/2005-odyssey_W0QQsokeywordredirectZ1QQfrom- ZR8

    I am really interested to know the possible options and their prices for 2005 Odyssey...

    BTW. Does fog light comes with EX-L?
  • laroy76laroy76 Member Posts: 12
    You could fold the second row seatbacks down and gain a couple more feet if you angled your cargo up to the back of the front row seat. If you fold the second row seatback down and unhook the seat base, then tilt it up (which detaches and would need to be secured to the front seat with a bungee) you only gain a foot because the folded seat itself is at least a foot and a half thick. Does that make sense?
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Member Posts: 1,565
    Solution: Dodge Grand Caravan with Stow and Go. I have been monitoring the Grand Caravan and T&C boards on Edmunds as well as the Edmunds review, and also the consumer reviews posted in Edmunds and have found no one who actually owns one that thinks the stow and go second and third row seats are uncomfortable. Additionally, my co worker recently bought a new 2005 GC SE+ for less than $20K. Hard to beat for flexibility and price.

    By the way, he actually tried out a 2004 Odyssey and found the seats uncomfortable when reclined(don't know if he was talking about the front passenger seat or the second row seats, so they passed on it as you couldn't comfortably snooze in them on a long trip.

    Any 2005 Odysseys that can be bought for anywhere near $20K? Anyone even know what the MSRP of a base model 05 Odyssey is, and if Honda will actually build any of that model?
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,555
    sat in a touring and drove an EX-L today. Drove nice, quite comfy. New dash is a big improvement. Pretty much seemed like an evolution of the old van, so if you like your current one, you will like this one.

    Front buckets had nice support. Moonroof, however, was a bit skimpy (much smaller than our Quest). Kinda odd becasue there is such a long roof to hide it in!.

    Smooth powertrain. We only took a quick local drive, but I noticed the ECO light on a few times, and couldn't tell otherwise.

    Still had nice handlilng and good steering feel. I haven't driven a current gen lately so I can't directly compare, but it didn't seem soft at all. Real good turing radius too.

    new folding rear seat is a vast improvement. SPlit, and the head rest stay on. They also changed the steps to fold, so it is much easier.

    the 8th seat is narrow and not comfy (it sits kinda high). Actually reminded me of sitting on the hump in the back of a 5 series BMW. For small kids, though, should be fine in a pinch. You can also pop the cushion out, and fold th eback down to make a nice tray.

    Actuallly, the console in the touring is very nicely done. I would be real happy to trade the 8th seat for a console given the chance.

    So far, my wife really liked the Ody, though we will still re-visit the Sienna, plus a few X-over SUVs, but I think she will stay with the van.

    Now just need the supply to even out with demand so I can get some kind of dealer. My dealer was taking deposits at MSRP, with delivery about 5-6 weeks out, depending on how picky you were about color.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • dgoughdgough Member Posts: 8
    I actually sat in it. I agree, it's a short-haul seat. Convenient if you *have* to do it. I really was shocked at how small it is in person. From the pictures it looks better than what it is. I would think with 2 average adults on either side, the middle seat would be a crush for a third person larger than a small child. Don't get me wrong, I like the more spacious side chairs. It works for me, but I'm not depending on carrying 8 people around.
  • superdadplanosuperdadplano Member Posts: 1
    We were there last Saturday and they would not go below $1500 ABOVE sticker and the $599 tint job for 2 windows.
  • minyiminyi Member Posts: 27
    Yeah... I agree. The 3rd row seat was not that comfy. I am 5'10", and when I sat on it, my shoulder was way over the back support, and my hair just touched the ceiling. Only good for a small adult or a large child.
  • keoweekeowee Member Posts: 4
    Thanks a bunch for looking for me, laroy76. I'll certainly go in to a dealer to see for myself after the current hoopla tones down.

    I'm still hopeful that I can get reasonable floorspace without storing the seats in the garage, but 6' really isn't enough . Maybe by moving the front passenger seat fully forward or playing around with things I can make do. I guess I'm spoiled with my old Chevy wagon.

    For the couple of years I've been looking forward to the new Odyssey, I've been hoping Honda would find a way to fold the 2nd row seats into the floor, but that was not to be. I need to replace my Chevy, but I do NOT want a Chrysler or Nissan!
    -Dave
  • minyiminyi Member Posts: 27
    Guess that says that the price on this will be much "reasonable" after most of those "must-have" folks buy them in a month or so. That if you can wait... I am willing to wait until the end of the year if I can get little below MSRP, or get some "free" options. After all, this is a "2005" model...

    And as some of those folks inthe forum, I still have some "feeling" for Sienna. I got a quote from a dealer (Sport City Toyota) yesterday for a XLE with Pkg #14 for $2,500 below MSRP ($34,727). No DVD, but it has more other "stuff" than Odyssey, esp. the telecoping (leather wrapped) steering wheel. I didn't like it on Odyssey. It seems the steering wheel is too closely attached even though my wife seems okay with it.

    I just can't believe $32K+ car does not come with the darn fog light and leather wrapped steering wheel...
  • keoweekeowee Member Posts: 4
    Thanks for the thought, badgerfan, and I have to admit I haven't actually seen the '05 Chrysler vans. We're decidedly pro-Honda (main car is '99 Acura RL) and my wife might leave me if I bought Chrysler. Still, we'd use this car very little, it'd normally be just me & my planes, and I could buy her something nice with the $15K I'd save buying the cheapest Stow-N-Go Chrysler vs. Odyssey Touring.

    -Dave
  • heywood1heywood1 Member Posts: 851
    Well, I'm glad you've cleared that up. Now that you've declared AWD useless, I'm sure Toyota will get right on discontinuing production.
  • player4player4 Member Posts: 362
    That is the preice for the base Touring, no RES, no NAV. Just standard Touring van. The only options on Tourings are RES and NAV.
  • lumbarlumbar Member Posts: 421
    Well, at the risk of being the broken record, the utility of AWD in a minivan is -largely- a product of one's location. That said, it strikes me as a more useful option in a number of situations than a NAV system or, say, a leather interior. It's interesting that AWD, which certainly has a cost attached to it, has its utility questioned while other options with substantial costs to them (e.g., NAV) seem to be accepted. Where I live, there's little doubt in my mind that, if I were forced to choose between AWD, a NAV system, or a leather interior, I would get more benefit from the AWD. YMMV.
  • westtxwesttx Member Posts: 16
    You both might consider reporting this tactic to Honda, David McDavid in Irving has won the President's Award for service according to Honda's main website. There are only a few dealers in the Dallas/Ft Worth area with this designation. Seems to me that they would like to retain that for all their stores by treating customers better. I looked at that when I went to Vandergriff Honda in Arlington to get my '03 Ody. Just a thought!
  • minyiminyi Member Posts: 27
    True. Yet I do believe the salesman has every right to try anything he can to make a sale. The question is whether it would work. That is the exact reason why we should teach them a "lesson" by not buying from them. I have no doubt they will pay dearly until they realize it does not work.

    Just like a salesman from Toyota dealer said, Nowadays, people are more educated, and well informed before they come to a dealership. The invoice price...etc are available pretty every where. Service is the main focus these days he said. I agree. Even some dealerships I had bad experience before, some friends tells me they have much better service recently. These people seems like living in the past.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    You both might consider reporting this tactic to Honda, David McDavid in Irving has won the President's Award for service according to Honda's main website. There are only a few dealers in the Dallas/Ft Worth area with this designation. Seems to me that they would like to retain that for all their stores by treating customers better.

    Except that winning said President's Award for the service dept has absolutely nothing to do with how they treat you in the sales dept.
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