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If it didn't look green,what color did it look like?
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If you do not want your van to show dirt then stick with light colors. Black is beautiful when clean but will often start showing specks and streaks before you get home from the car wash.
So for a van that hides the dirt, the best Ody choices are: white, silver & desert rock. If you live in a warm climate, these light colors will also stay cooler in the summer.
Slate green might be okay but few have seen it in person- the darker it is the more it will show the dirt.
Ocean mist may not be too bad for dirt but have not seen it- don't know how dark it is. White, silver and desert rock definitely the 3 best dirt-hiders among Ody choices.
I am not sure about the interior- I've owned 2 gray leather cars and one ivory. The ivory showed more wear on the driver's seat but it may have been inferior leather.
Talk about coming in on top- to be getting the 2005 Ody EX-L as your first minivan- wow! Good luck.
This does not quite jive with some people having seen it in San Diego- maybe they made a few and then stopped.
If I cannot see the slate green soon I will probably stick with the silver which is supposedly being built right now (Touring w/NAV/RES)
Price a standard Michelin tire at the dealer, and I bet it is $200 installed. You can spend $150+ at BJs for a Mich, depending on the style, and a Honda dealer ain't gonna be cheaper than them.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I saw an Ocean Mist Touring with a Black Leather interior and it was really nice looking. I do wish the Black Leather was an option on the non-touring models. It looks 'richer' to me.
Am I wrong to assume that this innovation exists mainly to prevent undue damage when the Ody collides with a smaller, lower vehicle? Or, does it ALSO provide more "bumper line up" protection when an Ody collides with an F250 truck?
I am asking this because in areas where I drive, it's relatively rare to see small vehicles. What I see are Suburbans, Navigators, Land Rovers, Land Cruisers, LX 470s, etc.
So, as a potential Ody Touring driver amongst these bigger vehicles, will I be safer with this ACE thing or is it only going to help me line up my bumper with the rare small vehicle on the roads in this area?
Sorry, but I can't figure this out by looking at the new Ody.
Thanks to anybody who can help here! P.S. I know that the bumper line up thing isn't the only factor in ACE, but, what I am asking is if the new bumper is going to line up better with my neighbors' trucks' bumpers or only with the practically-nonexistent-in-these-parts smaller, lower bumpers.
But, I'm worried that inside of a big Odyssey, all that black will look too, well, cavelike.
I wish I could see it in an Ody because I am interested in the Touring but don't like the way the black on the instrument panel contrasts with the lighter colors.
Where did you see an Ody with an all black interior? I mean, which state, anyway?
Thanks!
Black interior is just too H - O - T for me. Had it once and had to carry towels to put down on the seats for anyone wearing shorts in the summer time.
My choice would be an Ody EX-L-NAV/RES in white (preferably pearl like Sienna)with black or dark grey leather - fat chance.
I have tan leather & carpets in my Accord and the winters in the northeast are tough on light colored interiors.
BTW - Sienna's grey interiors are not very dark either.
But what about my "bumper to bumper" question that I posted earlier? Anybody know the answer to it?
Thanks again!
What exactly are you getting for that?
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I recently traded in my 2002 Honda Odyssey for a 2004 Acura TL and have a set of mounted and balanced Michelin Arctic Alpins in my garage.
Has anyone been able to discern what the tire size for the new 2005 Odyssey is going to be? I have someone in negotiations for a 2005 Odyssey who is interested in my Winters, but I need to know if they will fit the new 05. Any help is appreciated.
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GordS
My wife and I looked at a Touring model and quickly came to the decision that it is NOT worth the extra money. However, it will come down to personal choice. For example, for the seat seating memory (2 preferences), how useful is that considering it doesn't take much to change the seating. The adjustable foot pedals, who really needs that? I live in California, so the heated seats is not a big deal. It may be if you live in a colder climate. Overall, you get a lot of little "extras". I just don't think it is worth the $4k and when it comes to retaining value, it won't hold anywhere near $4k.
Is it actually an off-white color or more like
a tan?
On Honda's website it appears more like a tan
or sand color.
The advantages I SEE are parking sensors; power liftgate; power pedal; memory driver seat; fog lights; Multiple Info Display; tire pressure monitor; PAX system; premium sound: subwoofer & 360W stereo vs 120W; & extra chrome in back.
The disadvantage I SEE in the Touring is NO PlusOne 8th Seat.
It might not add up to $4K, but it's worth it to me since I gotta have the best.
Would you buy leather ivory again?
I would urge you to look at the illustration of the frame in the odyssey brochure. Compared to the previous frame, the front end is much more hefty, and any impact you have with a truch with a bumper higher than yours (it appears) will be handled by the extra metal in the frontal frame stucture. In other words, the new ody looks like it can take a lick above the bumper also and distribute the energy better.
There is absolutely nothing that says that Honda will be carrying these tires for a year or more. If they switch to regular tires next year, then they probably will not carry them for long. The resale value of the Touring model will tank after that.
Changing regular tires are easy for Honda or anybody else. They do it all the time so they have a lot of experience. PAX tires will be very rare and I would not be surprised if often they would be mounted improperly.
I like many things about Touring, but PAX tires do scare me away from it. More I think about it, the less I like it. At 500$ per tire this is many times more expensive than typical tire that I get at Costco. This is now, and if Honda stops supporintg PAX the price will only go up. But even now, 2k is just too much to change tires (at least IMHO).
I've been calling around a bit about the PAX tires and it sounds like I might have to wait sometimes to get a replacement--like several days--if I get a flat.
My usual tire dealer suggested that if I get Touring I buy a spare and put it in the space on the Touring that is empty but that can be used for spare.
Does anybody know how that would work? What kind of spare would you put in there? The purpose of it would be so that you wouldn't have to drive a rental car while your run flat tire replacement was being ordered.
The few local Honda dealers in town might or might not have a new run flat in stock when I'd need it.
Or am I worrying about nothing?
Funny, I had another sales guy call me today and after I told him I wanted to wait a few months to pay less than MSRP he went on and on about how the Odyssey is a great value for MSRP. His argument was that it must be since people are paying MSRP. He said he'd love to get MSRP on a civic but can't. Therefore since he can get it on the Odyssey it must be a great value.
What a clockel!!!
The Toyota salesrep my wife and I spoke to while looking at Siennas was even worse than these two wacky Honda reps if you can believe it. The guy at Toyota was the most arrogant person I've ever met! He was barely giving my wife and I the time of day. Whenever anyone else walked nearby he'd run off and try to help them. After all that he was not willing to bargain at all. Despite the fact that they had 8 2004's on the lot and they were ALL red. Ridiculous. He had also never seen the new Odyssey despite the fact that the Honda dealer is right next door.
This brings me to my next question. Why is that after I spend a few hours researching vehicles on the internet I invariably know more about them then the people selling them? I just don't get it.
Also, having heated seats is critical in the North East.
As far as PAX goes, that's another feature that I find very important. We just had a flat on our MPV and I'm very happy it happened on the weekend, when I was driving the van. My wife would NEVER be able to change this flat on this van for several reasons: the lug nuts were super-tight, the spare is hidden under the middle of the van and takes a lot of effort to get out. Calling AAA and waiting for them for an hour with a screaming baby in the car is not an option.
The power liftgate is a nice to have for us, but I wouldn't consider it a necessity.
The parking sensors are absolute necessity on a minivan, in my opinion. My wife is a big fan of fire hydrants and other low-to-the-ground obstacles. It's better to spend $500 on the sensors than $1,000 each time on bumper repair!
And last but not least - a great stereo is a big plus!
Cost on their page must be dealer invoice.
LX = $22585.71
EX = $25012.03
EX-L = $27033.95
EX-LRES = $28471.77
EX-LRES/NAV = $30448.76
Touring = $30628.49
Touring-RES/NAV = $34043.30
+ Plus $515.00 Destination Charge
Michelin also has a system in place that offers rental car and accomodation reimbursement as well as a 12 hour delivery assistance program to aid customers who have to wait on a replacement tire.
I have the Euro Accord (Acura TSX) and it has the black dash and ivory interior. I think it looks great. If the Odyssey is similar, I'll be quite happy.
Ohmster
I am not worried about rental car, since touring seems to have a spare. If something happens I can just leave deflated tire with the dealer and come back for it later. I do not have anything against PAX technology itself (it's actually rather good), but somebody (Honda, Michelin) should've set up a better support network before forcing his down their customers throats. If Michelin signup at least one car from each major car manufacturer to use PAX I would feel much better about it.
Minivan takes a lot of abuse from kids and dark carpets would be wonderful.
I agree. I will not worry about supportability for PAX. Once most car shop or tire shop see how many people buy high-end cars with PAX, they will be supporting it with zeal. It's just a matter of time. I trust Honda's choice in selecting technology. This is the best run-flat technology to date and with a very trusted brand IMO. If you think PAX similar to the one in the Sienna (which has the hard sidewall) or the one used in GM, you need to read more about PAX before trashing it. This technology gives me peace of mind and very well worth the cost IMHO.
A pictures worth a thousand words. Here they are. Just click on the pictures. Forget the Japanese if you don't understand it.
ACE pictures
The pictures are from the new Acura RL, but the design philosophy is the same.
If PAX takes off, Michelin could charge more for them because there will be no competition (and big demand). If PAX dies then tires will still cost more because there will not be a market big enough.
PAX is a great technology, but Honda decided to have their customer to deal with risks.
What do I mean by better support, you ask... Well in addition to the statement that I used to end my previous statement... I would love to know that there is a true competition in PAX market, just as there is in regular market tire.
Do not kid yourself, there are higher costs and future risks in adopting new technology. The only way you can be sure that Honda will not discontinue support for PAX and that they will not have an extreme cost for them is if they put it in the sales contract. Yet Honda will never put it in the contract because they do not know what's going to happen to PAX. Nobody does.
The smart thing to do is to wait few years, but I can't wait that long. It quite possible that PAX will not die and will cost moderately more then regular, but I know that nobody can promise me that. I have to evaluate the risks, cost and decide what is the best way for me.
Even if Michelin discontinues the PAX system you CAN put regular wheels and tires on the Touring. And I don't want to hear about cost because if you can afford $36,000-$38,000 for the Touring then you can spend $1000 on wheels and tires.
The parts of rear parking sensor costs less than $200 online. The rest is labor. You can buy similar product (not OEM, though) for $70 and install it yourself. I did it in 2 hours on my '01 Odyssey. It activates when you shift into R(reverse).
For free?
For a price?
I'll be pulling in slowly, waiting to feel my wheels lightly touch the cement stopper when "scrunch" -- the bottom of my bumper is scraping over whatever fairly tall cement obstacle they have there. Sometimes it is just a high curb on a city street where you park perpendicular to the curb. Other times it has been a weird little low (very low, like less than two feet but more than ten inches tall) barrier.
I have really uglied up a couple of minivan bumpers that way. I wonder if I could cheaply custom install sensors to prevent this?
Thanks, Mitchell