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I just brought an EX-L at MSRP last week in Fremont, CA. The Toyota dealer cross street offered me at least $1,000 under MSRP on 04 Sienna. There were several 05 Sienna on the lot. They were offered to me at under MSRP too. I spent some times to compare Sienna and Odyssey. They are head-to-head with each other.
I would say it looked pretty colorless, more gray than anything else. It looks pretty much the way it does on the hondacars.com web site. I am partial to brighter colors, and I definitely did not like it.
-- EVAN
Certainly, if you have someone install one for you, you could ask him to adjust the placement and angle to suit your need. However, if you install a set for the front, you also need to install a switch to activate the sensors. Most likely installer pull wires from ceiling console (map lights?) and put a switch there. For the back, it should be activated automatically when you put the gear into reverse (tap into wires of back-up lights).
The procedure is simple, but I recommend you buy the parts and take them to a mechanic you trust. They have the tool and proper experience.
The ultra sound sensors have a short range of 4 to 6 ft. Within 4 they are reliable, between 4 to 6ft they are on and off. They are also affected by snow and rain (false alarm - constant beeps). This happened to me once in Lake Tahoe when there were a thin layer of ice on the sensors.
Your case is special. For most people, backup camera works much better for backing up.
Yes, I read that issue. For that, you need to replace the back-view mirror and there is a thick wire exposed and connected into the map lights area. However, I still think backup camera should work with NAVI screen.
You do not have to get the wheel and tire at the same time. You can just have the tires replaced for considerably less than $500. Actually, the wheel is probably the most expensive piece of the system.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Say your bumper will have 1 inch clearance; if the sensor "sees" the tire stopper, I think it will be beeping madly as if you are 1 inch from hitting something.
As you get closer and closer to something the warning may beep faster and faster, eventually changing to a steady tone (not sure if Ody works like this- some sensor systems do). If that change to a steady tone occurs at 3 inches then the system would tell you to stop even though you may have ample clearance.
If I am not wrong you have gone to covington pike toyota in memphis and I can understand your point because its the worst dealership. I bought my 04 sienna xle with package 5 in march this year. When me and my wife went there they were so arrogant, sales person were not giving proper attention and in the end did not bargain a bit. So i decided to check online and got very good deal in atlanta (Approx 3600 below Msrp, 28100 against actual price of 31680). You can find good deals in bigger cities because they have more dealers and competition is cut throat. Also buying in the last week of the month especially on Sundays or mondays when there are not more customers could fetch you deal you would never regret.
The parts were ordered from College Hills Honda and arrived yesterday. They were about $250 for the equipment + shipping from OH->CA. Local dealerships were charging the MSRP ($299 w/o installation) for them.
The lamps look pretty nice. I was surprised to see that they are made in Germany instead of Japan or in the US. The bulb assembly inside is similar to the ones in the headlights.
The online manual states in BOLD print that these are to be installed by a qualified mechanic and not a do-it-yourselfer. After skimming the instructions, I noticed that some creative work with a hacksaw is required. Yikes! I'll let the Honda guys take care of it when I go for the oil change.
BTW. I just posted in the fuel reporting forum. We got 20.6 mpg for our first filling:-(
Yikes!
Did you say $500 per tire?
I was not aware of that.
If that's the case, I might have to rethink my choices.
It's strange that this is the only number that dealers are quoting. Maybe you can't get new tire without replacing a wheel as well?
If anybody has any info whether it would be possible to replace tire alone (and how much it will be) please post.
http://www.collegehillshonda.com/instructions/gen3_odyssey/xmradi- o.pdf
(I believe it's okay to post this link since this does not refer to a competing forum --- moderator, let me know if you want me to remove link).
However, I still don't know the answer to the iPod hookup question. Anyone else out there with an answer?
Thanks,
Paul
I have been asking many of these same questions for the past month. The lack of knowledge is the single biggest factor which affected my decision to get the EX-L Navi/Res instead of the touring.
If one person anywhere could have told me authoritatively that the replacement procedure is such and such and the cost is x (with x being within 15% of the cost of a normal tire as Michelin has advertised), we might have stuck to our guns.
Every press release, though, has been so non-specific, conflicting and vague as to be next to useless. You would think that when companies like Michelin and Honda launch new technology in a mainstream minivan they would be crowing about it from mountaintops.
The silence is scary.
I don't think it's $500 per TIRE REPLACEMENT. That would be outrageous.
By the same we need replacements, they will know a lot more about these PAX systems.
Regarding the Pilot, what are your needs? Do you care about MPG or 4WD? Lots of questions there, but dollar for dollar, IMO it's a better -value- right now. Of course, if you need a mini-van and don't need what Pilot brings to the table, price sort of is beside the point.
I sat inside a dark Blue EX with cloth today and was VERY impressed with all the new features. The middle row removeable seat is comfortable for me if a child were sitting on each side 2nd row bucket seat. The mini-spare location is brilliant. The lazy susan is very convenient although seats must be moved as in DC "Stow-N-Go" for access.
For only $27,995 + $515 Destination, the 2005 Ody EX is THE BEST BUY at MSRP for a new minivan. Toyota will be in trouble along with DaimlerChrysler IF Honda can build enough Odysseys to satisfy consumer demand. Both Toyota and DaimlerChrysler will have to offer BIG discounts or rebates to compete with the 2005 Odyssey. All other minivan makers will be crying in their beer.
I plan to sell my recently purchased 2002 T&C LX private party and get a new 2005 Ody EX once the "new vehicle" buying frenzy cools off to a reasonable amount.
Ford is offering $7,400 rebate on a $24,000 van.
Deals and values are EVERYWHERE.
It's the honda dealers still dreaming the repeat of 1999, and never want to face the real world, that they'll have to discount 5-10 % of the MSRP for the 05 ody to compete w/ everyone else.
The van would be perfect for me if it had the telescoping wheel from the Accord. It does seem to be closer to the dash, which would probably be okay for my wife. I like the Sienna's wheel, but I can't quite get comfortable in the seat. Like most Toyotas, it seems to be a little short for me.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Touring 30628.49
Touring w/ RES and NAV 34043.3
dealer holdback 909
In south, 1500 under plus waiving of 5% sales tax was offered today.
Hope this can help.
That location for the spare is much better than having PAX run-flat for 125 miles at 50 MPH or 2005 DaimlerChrysler minivans having the spare underneath the van between the front seat and accessible from the outside.
The Odyssey 8 passenger seating arrangement with easily removeable center seat is another great idea.
The Odyssey also has toe space under the 2nd row seats for the 3rd row passengers that DC "Stow-N-Go" does not have.
I would just like to point out that Ford and GM had this spare tire location in their station wagons as least as far back as the early 70's. I know because I remember sitting in the rear jump seats of two wagons when I was a kid.
For 2002-2004 Odysseys, back-view camera (integrated with NAVI) is dealer-installed option. I expect the option to continue after the initial frenzy is over.
I doubt that's gonna be the case. Imagine if you have to [ay replace the wheels also. I do remember reading that Michelin will give dealers a complete set with tires on wheels ready to be replaced. But I also read that will ship the add-on kit so you can use the standard tire mounting kit to replace just the tires. And from the Michelin press release someone posted earlier, they will get a tire/wheel to you within 12 hours if you are nowhere near any PAX authorized shop.
We need to get over our fear of the unknown here. Sure PAX is more expension but can't be that much more expensive. This is for a van after all, not a $200K Porsche. For the features that it provide, I still think PAX is a great value.
Navigation is very nice. Can put in business phone number and will get route. Voice activation is also very easy to use. No programming needed.
Wife did not want a minivan at all, but when she saw this, she was smiling ear to ear.
I am a huge supporter of Lexus, this is the Lexus of minivans.
dealer holdback 909"
Wow, so the mark-up is $4K on this?
Where did you get these info?
My local Honda salesman has always gotten me $1K below invoice after about 1-2 year. So in about a year, I can get my Touring w/NAV+RES for $33K if the invoice is $34K.
So hopefully will receive it by first week of November.
-- EVAN
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