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I think 1 was base touring, and 1 for sure was navi/res. I think the 3rd was base also.
So, at least tourings seem to be available, and IMHO, at these prices, they will be a much slower seller than Honda expects. The EX will probably be a much bigger hit, with the EX-L for the luxo folks that need their leather or moonroof.
Still havent' seen an LX in person. Wonder if they actually make them? Of the 5 that I saw personally in 2 visits to my dealer, 4 were tourings, and one was an EX-L
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Reality check...there is no Ody AWD !
Let us focus on dealing with what we've got.
Thanks.
Ty
The brochure says LATCH only in middle position of the third row. The touring that I saw only seemed to have Latch and a top tether in the middle position. Furthermore the tether seems to be in odd postion. It transverses the cargo area behind the third row and attaches near the hatch door, effectively dividing the cargo area in two. Most modern day top tethers that I have seen attach to the back of the seat.
So it seems that Honda, unlike Toyota, does not support two carseats in the third row using Latch. It is possible to retrofit for LATCH and reposition the tether so that it doesn't transect the cargo area ?
And again, there's a separate thread for the AWD vs FWD discussion now. You should post there only. This one is getting old.
-- EVAN
The people that would buy this are the same ones that think they need a full size SUV solely to drive to Walmart once a week.
AWD may seem impressive to some, but a minivan is a minivan! Seems like some people can't admit to just a few of the more important deciding factors:
- Odyssey is the only minivan to come equipped with dedicated side impact sensors for all three rows
- Odyssey is the only minivan to offer a rollover sensor that deploys the side curtain bags in the event of a rollover.
- Odyssey also earns the highest overall EPA rating for any vehicle in its class.
- Odyssey is the first minivan to utilize Michelin PAX System run-flat tire technology for enhanced safety and security with continuous mobility of up to 150 miles at 50mph following a tire puncture.
- A comprehensive list of advanced safety features delivered as standard equipment on all models including anti-lock brakes (ABS), advanced front and front side airbags, three-row side curtain airbags with rollover sensor (a minivan first), and Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA(R)) with Traction Control.
- Odyssey has the best in class third leg room.
- Industry-leading Honda Satellite-Linked Navigation SystemTM with expanded Voice Recognition capabilities has new features including rearview camera and Zagat survey information for restaurants.
Granted the Sienna is a good minivan, but the new Odyssey just raised the bar in the minivan class yet again and is now the benchmark by which all other minivans are judged.
So if you have to buy a Toyota, stop complaining about their product and write to Toyota and complain to them to get on the ball.
And while I agree that the existence of AWD shouldn't be the paramount consideration for most people buying a mini-van, there's certainly nothing wrong with opting for it if an already highly competitive vehicle (Sienna) offers it.
As for value, you are exactly correct. Seems to be this big emphasis on here simply for AWD which again most people just don't need and one wonders why pay the added expense. As for Honda not offering it, it is probably due to the lack of demand for it and figure if you are looking for AWD, then the Honda Pilot is really what you should be looking at.
New Odyssey especially touring model is having "torque steering problems" as repeatedly
Sited on this web site.
Here’s a quote from the MotorWeek review-On wet and sloppy roads, the SH-AWD works much like other all-wheel drive systems with traction control. The nominal 70/30 front to rear torque split can be reversed, with any one of the rear tires capable of getting all of the available power. But it is dry road handling that makes the all-wheel drive RL so unique and enjoyable. Without being reckless, we just couldn't force the RL out of its smoother cornering lines. The words safe, secure, and solid played over and over again around every bend.
I don’t know, but the words, safe, secure, and solid played over and over again around every bend, sure makes me wish the Odyssey had that.
For those of you who suggest AWD is on Pilot, one very important fact you are omitting.
There is no Side Curtain Air Bags for 2nd and 3rd rows.
Let me repeat that for you: There is no Side Curtain Air Bags for 2nd and 3rd rows.
Of course those of you who wouldn’t want AWD, probably could care less about that little omission. But for a lot of us here safety is a major concern for our families.
And vehicles without AWD or side air curtain protection is a glaring omission of features that should be options for those that want it.
Of course Honda’s claims to be a safety company, leave a lot to be desired.
Come on. Honda is making standard side curtain airbags standard accross its model line, along with traction control and VSC. All models are included, including the Civic DX. Name one other car company doing that right now. (except for luxury car companies)
BTW - I currently own a FWD van and AWD Escape. I feel safe in both in all types of weather - especially since I have dedicated snows for both vehicles.
Thanks!
Since the EX-L has an XM capable tuner in it already, why would you want to use your "XM Roady" in the Odyssey? I sincerly hope that that the answer is *not* that your XM subscription is tied to your Roady, making the in-dash XM tuner useless to you.
Although I've had a $9.95/month Real Rhapsody on-demand music subscription for over a year (and continue think it is the best bargain in the world of entertainment), I have shied away from buying an XM (or Sirius) tuner and subscription so far. However, having an XM tuner in the Odyssey may push me into buying a subscription for it.
Seriously....
By your logic, Honda should not make motorcycles or the S2000. But, since neither have 2nd rows, the lack of side curtain airbags mean they're aren't plagued by the "glaring omission" that dogs the horribly unsafe Pilot.
If you are really so concerned about safety then buy a Peterbilt, or an RV. Or does the lack of 2nd row side curtain airbags make those unsafe too? I am so sick of this that I am now violating my own lurking rule and adding to the anti-AWD frenzy.
I own a Pilot and an Odyssey. How about this: If Honda EVER adds AWD as an option to the Odyssey I will NEVER buy another Honda again. Adding that feature would would drive up the line's total manufacturing cost, and lower the availability of regular unsafe Odysseys.
Since I vote for Honda with my wallet, I think my view will cancel out your "vote".
I'm sure AWD is GREAT if you NEED/WANT it. However, if you are a competent driver and don't need/want AWD the Odyssey is a terrific van. The Odyssey is far from unsafe or undrivable without it. Just as base Sienna's aren't death traps even though they don't include side curtain airbags and VSC.
Stability and traction control:
Toyota Sienna - Optional
Honda Odyssey - Standard
Three-row side curtain airbags:
Toyota Sienna - Optional
Honda Odyssey - Standard (includes roll over sensor)
GOOD LUCK!!!!!
I'm trying to figure where I fit in between the AWD-at-any-cost crowd, and the "ban the posts" crowd.
If AWD is what you really believe safer, get a SUV, ot even Sienna. There are many choices, and many are selling really cheap nowadays...
Obviously honda bigots don't want to discuss issue, because Honda doesn't have that option with AWD. And of course they want to attack position, and when they can't win argument, they want it moved off "their board". Think they forgot, it's not their board.
The board belongs to Edmunds and is open to the public!
Several problems you have in your statement.
Sienna is a Van, and the new odyssey is being positioned as "Performance(Handling), and Safety.
Big plus in my book for Sienna. Again that's my preference, may not be yours.
Another problem, Honda makes 2 SUV's with AWD, the Pilot and Acura MDX.
The new touring addition with the run flat tires is also experiencing "torque steering problems".
These are important issues to be openly discussed, and of course the Honda Bigots don't want that. Just like the transmission problems, which oh by the way, is the same transmission still being used 05 Odyssey.
Pilot doesn't have side air curtains for all three rows. What's up with that.
Putting performance tires improves traction for performance, not for all weather capability. AWD is the answer.
So if you want a Van with Side Air Curtains and AWD, you are correct, Sienna would be top choice.
Winter tires make more of a difference in snow than which wheels are driving the car. Some of the car magazines have done tests to prove this. They have also proven that AWD does NOT help with braking, which is significantly more important than getting traction from a stop (for safety), but the winter tires help with traction.
It's obvious by now that some people think AWD is a must have. Since Honda made a business decision not to produce an AWD version of the ody, they determined that they can live without your business, so buy something else (the Sienna if you want a minivan, or an SUV).
This does not make Honda evil, or their products unsafe. It just means that they didn't feel they could sell enough vans to make up for the additional development costs, etc. If hundreds of thousands of buyers were voting with their pocket books and shunning the Ody, I imagine they would tool one up.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
PROS
1. You can drive for about 25 miles after you get a flat. Will it warn you that you have a flat (I don't always realise that I have a flat until it's obvious).
CONS
1. On a family trip to Florida or elsewhere, if you get a flat and you are in the 'boondocks', you are royally screwed since the nearest local Honda dealer is probably many many miles away. Yes they may pay for a hotel stay but that does help when you are on a family trip and do not want to be delayed. You CANNOT change the tire yourself !!
2. Very few tire places can work with the PAX system, will probably need to go to a Honda dealer.
3. You will pay a premium every time you need to replace a tire.
Somebody, please advise.
basically, it is just a fancy wheel/tire version of run flat technology that you can already buy. The purpose is the same 9to allow you to drive a short distance after a flat to get to someplace that can take care of the tire).
The best thing that can happen is for other manufacturers to follow Honda's lead and adopt the PAX system. once that happens, more tire shops will get the equipment needed, prices will come down, etc.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Has anyone else noticed this hum?
I'm going to try the EX-L (this is what we would purchase) to see if maybe it was just that particular vehicle or maybe the full-time 6 cylinder engine.
Thanks
Do not replace the PAX system tires and wheels with conventional tires and wheels. Doing so would disable the PAX system and the tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS), and may VOID YOUR NEW VEHICLE WARRANTY. [The caps are mine]
I read this to mean that Honda could void your warranty if you use a set of conventional wheels with snow tires during the winter.
Especially the new Honda SH-AWD. That looks like a great system.
Odyssey Touring with Run Flat is a little too harsh for a family vehicle, and speaking of family, I totally agree. AWD is just superior in wet conditions to FWD, so for me it’s a option I wish Odyssey did have. For me I want my family in an AWD vehicle.
People might not think they need it, but once you drive with AWD, it's tough to go back to FWD.
Odyssey handles better than Sienna, but they are the top two Vans in my book. Some prefer the drive of an Lexus to an Acura, a little more luxurious and not as sporty which is what the Sienna is to Odyssey. You won't go wrong with either one of these vans.
The run flat tires have been around, especially in Europe, but are not a big seller. The Sienna has a similar version, and they do ride harsher. In Sienna’s case it actually makes
The Sienna feels a little more like the Odyssey.
The biggest problem is people think they won't get flats, which is not the case. They still can get punctured, but The Pax system allows a tire to run flat for more than 120 miles at 50 mph. Changing a run flat tire is only done at in this case, Michelin or Honda.
Bridgestone's competing run-flat tire system is standard on the BMW Z8 and Z4, and optional on the BMW 5 and 7 series. The system is also on Toyota's Sienna minivan and optional on the Lexus SC 430 and Infiniti Q45.
Using a run-flat tire for the Odyssey makes sense, says Tsunemi Tachibana, an analyst at Nikko City Group in Tokyo. "It provides a sense of security, which is key for a family car."
Funny isn’t that what AWD does?
I haven't seen the black interior. Any comments? I'm not too worried about the heat as we cover all the kiddie seats with towels...
Ohmster
The PAX tire is a specially designed tire that consists of a larger wheel/rim, and a tire designed to grip the wheel/rim in the event of sudden deflation. The vehicle can be driven up to 125 miles at a speed up to 55 MPH in normal conditions (even, flat surface, etc..). An indicator on the dash tells you how many miles you have left before you NEED to stop driving.
The Odyssey's that have the PAX system still have a convention jack, and the space place a regular tire.
The price of the PAX 'tire' is just a little over a regular tire. The cost of replacing an entire assembly is said to be between $400-$500. But it should not be necessary to replace an entire assembly unless you impact the wheel/rim assembly somehow.
I am also thinking about silver/black. I currently have 03 Accord like this and in Southern California it does not seems to get extremely hot. We do usually leave windows open just in bit and always remote open windows before getting into the car.
The Toyota has it, and I cannot understand why they don't offer it on the Honda. I do enjoy driving the Honda better.
Since the vehicles suspension must be designed specifically for the PAX system, the owner can NOT replace the rims with conventional rims using conventional tires. According to other posts here in Edmunds, the owners manual states that installation of conventional rims will VOID your new vehicle warantee.
If, for whatever reason, the owner is dissatisfied with their PAX tires (excessive wear, noise, ride, cost, etc.), tough. No one else makes tires, of any kind, to fit the PAX rims. Changing rims so you CAN have a choice will void your warantee. And as of this date, Michelin does not manufacture snow tires for the PAX rims.
If someone here has a touring model, I would be interested if they can verify whether or not the warantee is voided if conventional rims are installed.