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In October? In Canada? I'll bet it will be ice-cold.
i based my assumption on the fact that most small 4cyl engines under 110hp have the same problem.
if i'm wrong, enlighten me."
Lets just say that with a lawnmower engine you could probably run more than one of these big horizontal freezers...
If small cars usually have trouble with air-conditioning, it's probably because people in the US think that small = cheap, and so they won't pay much, which means that carmakers often have to cut corners to reduce the price. That's probably a better explanation...
OTOH, the new Civic can pull down 40 mpg in the auto, so I am sure a car weighing 400 pounds less, with the smaller engine, will get a few points over the 40 mark. IF they choose not to use an older auto trans with less speeds.
As for moonroofs, I sure hope the Yaris has an optional one in the upper trims. No moonroof and/or cruise availability have kept me from considering the Scions with Echo mechanicals.
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"If small cars usually have trouble with air-conditioning, it's probably because people in the US think that small = cheap, and so they won't pay much, which means that car makers often have to cut corners to reduce the price. That's probably a better explanation... "
you're wasting your sarcasm.
ask someone on these boards that lives in the south or south west about how well the air conditioning works...
i doubt that cutting corners is the reason. we get the same internal components as canada does. only difference is air conditioning isn't top priority for canadians... heaters are.
it's not only the echo air conditioner that can't cool a car in extreme heat. don't know of any engine in the 110hp range or under that can.
i'd love to drive a small economical car like the yaris, but i know too many people that traded in their echos during the first summer of ownership (two friends traded).
anyway, it's all about preferences. you have yours and i have mine.
I'd love to see how those hold their resale value in another couple years from now. It would be interesting to see if one in good shape with around 30,000 miles on it would still sell for over $10,000 to buy used, for instance.
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The RS DOES look great, though. :-)
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it's not only the echo air conditioner that can't cool a car in extreme heat. don't know of any engine in the 110hp range or under that can.
i'd love to drive a small economical car like the yaris, but i know too many people that traded in their echos during the first summer of ownership (two friends traded).
anyway, it's all about preferences. you have yours and i have mine."
I think you misunderstood what I said. I didn't mean that we get good air-conditioners in small cars in canada and that the US doesn't (I was thinking more of Europe where small doesn't equal cheaply made). Actually, what you've said doesn't refute anything that I've said at all.
Yeah, the 2005 Scion xA RS 1.0 was retailing at about $15,200 at the nearest dealer to me when I was still living in Missouri. I believe the package added $2,000 to the xA RS 1.0's price.
However, that may be different per dealer. For instance, a 2005 Scion xA RS 2.0, in Blue Spectra Mica color, was selling for only $14,080 for the 5-speed manual version and $14,800 for the one with an automatic tranny. So, the Missouri dealer was tacking on excessively.
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I will check the cruise. If it is in there, I am sure it will be at least optional on the Yaris.
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They have the 1.0L 4-cylinder gas engine which makes 64hp. It gets excellent fuel economy, about 5litres/100km in combined driving which is more than 47mpg (US gallon).
It has suprisingly good acceleration and I routinely drove the car on the autobahn in excess of 170 km/h (~110mph). Americans for some reason believe that they need a lot of horspower in their cars, but the fact is you only need ~30-40 hp in a little car to go 65mph.
On the downside, it is a small car and it is hard to feel safe in it at any speed, especially if you're used to something larger.
at least they gave us the 3 dr thank you but the 5 dr is even more useful
than a sedan ; JUST A THOUGHT WHY NOT HAVE ALL 3
BE BRAVE TOYOTA!!!!
http://www.canadiandriver.com/testdrives/06yaris.htm
Unfortunately the lack of cruise control takes this car out of contention for me. Most of my driving is on the highway and I want cruise to not have to worry about speeding & getting tickets .
nippononly, yeah, the 2005 Scion xA RS 2.0 in Blue Spectra Mica color offers foglights and those interior "blue-glow ambience" lights and a host of other cool body differences but it does not come with the moonroof like on the RS 1.0 in Absolutely Red. I've read of more than one American shopper being upset by that omission!
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Do your part! Voice your concerns to the people that count and we'll get what we want.
"Like the Echo, the Yaris gets pricey when you add options, encroaching on the price territory of larger imports like the Honda Civic, Nissan Sentra, Mazda3 and even the Toyota Corolla."
I humbly predict:
The Yaris will debut as a 4 door sedan and 2 door hatchback in the Toyota line in the US, where it will fizzle in competition with Corollas and Civics - become an "ad special" like the Echo.
The Yaris will debut as a 4 door hatchback in the Scion line as the replacement for the xA, retaining the xA name, where due to its massive amount of standard equipment (including ABS and side air bags) at an amazingly low fixed price,much lower than a comparably equipped Corolla or Civic, it will flourish - principally to young female buyers looking for a cheap starter car with some snazz, and to older male buyers who are skinflints (like me) and but like a tossable, fun to drive car. It's quirkiness will set it apart from the Civic and get conquest Civic buyers who feel Honda is putting them between a rock and a hard price - an affordable DX "stripped of content" and an overpriced LX....
They most definately will not be standard. They are not standard on the Corolla, Matrix, Prius, Solara, & Camry.
The only car they are available standard is the Avalon, which costs $32k.
The 60/40 split seats should be standard, it is just silly for them not to be. Of course, I think they should also be removable as well.
Driving is dangerous but so what, it just makes us realize that not only are humans fragile, the things we build are also fragile and at any moment we could get into that very serious accident or an earthquake can tumble down our apartment building crushing us or something like that.
Toyotas are as safe as any other car on the road, SAC/SABs or not. It is half your responsibility to drive safely and the other half is trusting that the drivers around you are also driving safely.
Institute research shows that side airbags with head protection are reducing deaths by about 45 percent among drivers of cars struck on the driver side. Before the availability of head-protecting airbags, there was virtually nothing to prevent people’s heads from being struck by intruding vehicles or rigid objects like trees or poles in serious side impacts. Side airbags that protect the chest and abdomen, but not the head, also are reducing deaths but are less effective (about a 10 percent reduction in deaths).
http://www.iihs.org/news/2005/iihs_news_030605.pdf
Note that the Toyota Corolla got an Acceptable score on the side crash test with side bags and curtains, but a Poor rating without them.
This tets doesn't predict everything, but it shows those bags are more than just piece of mind even though they do not replace structurally sound design.
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http://motortrend.com/autoshows/coverage/112_05fas_toyota_yaris_gallery/
We're back to where some people were trying to tell us from the start: the 2007 Toyota Yaris for the American market will not have standard side airbags and curtains, they'll be an option available.
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Checked out toyota.ca for the pricing and package info today. Very annoying that they've dropped the split rear seat except for the RS (how dumb is that?), and also REALLY annoying that they've dropped ABS. In fact, if you want ABS, you have to bundle it with power windows, locks, and some other crud.
Fortunately, you can add A/C in the base all by itself, without buying an up-market package. So that's what I'll be getting....base with air, and I'll have to do without the split rear seat and ABS (thanks to the knucklehead North American Toyota Marketing gurus).
Still looks like a great car....bigger inside than the Echo hatch (which is good, my buddy and I used to take turns punching each other's left kneecap shifting into 5th gear). Almost the same gas mileage, and a bunch of technical & ergonomic improvements as detailed in Canadian Driver.
The US market is more demanding, so you/they may get some combination of ABS, side air bags, split seat etc. that they've arbitrarily decided that Canadians "don't need". Time will tell.
My sister's best friend died in a Honda Accord a while back which did have full SAC and SAB, car lost control at 180km/h, wrapped around a telephone pole, six girls in there and only the driver died. Amazing. Perhaps I'd give it a second thought... but then again I don't drive on city streets at 180km/h.
It's a VERY large segment of buyers. If its forced down these buyers throats then these buyers will walk away. Therefore let everyone choose how they want their vehicle to be made - within reason.
That being said it is not the younger more aware buyer who reflects this thought its generally the older buyer who never had ABS and SAC/SAB over the previous 30 yrs. This is the reason I believe that the Scions are all loaded with high tech accident avoidance features while the Yaris and Corolla are not.
But as noted above the market will speak.. and 'Yota will listen. But it may find that the bulk of the market still wants little or nothing.
FWIW
kdhspyder
BS. I'm 26, and I want nothing to do with air bags and ABS. They weigh too much and do to little.
I know that their vehicles are selling well for the past few months but dont get arrogant. Listen to your consumers.
BS. I'm 26, and I want nothing to do with air bags and ABS. They weigh too much and do to little.
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This guy just messed up, and proved it for himself, and that of many younger kids, for the remarks he made above. He says BS, to the young aren't aware, and don't care... And proves it by stating that ABS, and air bags weigh too much, and do to little....What a dumb statement when it has been proven that ABS, and air bags saves lives. Well poorjudd, you just confirmed that you are immature, and not smart enough to understand safety....
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It is also true that it probably won't cost them too much in this sedan-centric market. I am glad they made the two-door a hatch instead of a coupe like last time - the Echo two-door just looked THE WORST.
I can appreciate that Toyota already has two compact five-doors here, and doesn't want to tromp on its own toes too much, but in that case the next xA had better be ALL that. They should have an xA LE and RS like they will with the Yaris, so that people who want more sporty and better feature content can pick up that stuff in an RS.
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This is a discussion dedicated to conversation specifically about the Yaris. I removed a load of posts discussing the Lexus marque and ABS/airbag safety and preference. If you'd like to talk about the value of safety features in general, our News & Views board is the best place for that conversation. Thanks!
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As such, the US market will only see the three-door hatchback and four-door sedan powered by the same 105 bhp (SAE 08/04 net) 1.5-liter engine. I personally think Toyota could replace the xA soon with a new model derived from the Ractis "tall wagon" just introduced in Japan, though.