ok. here it is. '83 saw the intro of the 22re in the celica. 0-60 is possible in 8.6 secs. That's not all that bad, really. Could still walk all over my Alfa.
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His biggest enemy is himself. Where are the pics to show off this wonderful vehicle? Why no pic of the dash? the seats? how bout some closeups of the body panels?
I got a question: just how does one rub through the paint with their elbow in only 39k miles?
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I was only half-mocking the Celica. I am sure nice ones are really hard to find anymore, as so many have fallen into the hands of kids. Kind of on the lines of that car, I always liked the liftback Supra of that generation.
My folks had an '84 liftback with an automatic; not the GT-S with the wheel flares, but just a regular GT. Wasn't terribly quick, but at least the tranny had an OD switch, so it cruised at 65 without boring a hole in your eardrums.
Mom had the timing belt (chain?) break on her about 35 miles from home, and since it was an interference engine, it took some $$$ to make it right.
They got tired of only having 2 doors so they sold it and bought a used Camry to replace it.
Speaking of Celicas, when I was a kid my dad had a friend who owned a '79 liftback. Yellow with black interior and custom wheels. I really, really, really wanted that car.
About those Celicas...I saw an old old lady driving a maybe 80-81 (quad lights) liftback over the weekend. She was going SLOW (maybe 3mph in a parking lot), the car was brown, and in excellent condition.
You're not allowed to call it "frisco". That's a terrible social gaff down here. :P
NISSAN PATROL VS. FJ40 -- much the same as I recall, very much the same, but the PATROL is much rarer and much cheaper (what's not to like).
I just said I WANTED it. That doesn't mean I want to write a check for it. I want the seller to give it to me after reading about my love and devotion to this vehicle.
Whew, I leave for a week and I come back to 200+ posts on this board. Contour- Buy a good one, if the CEL is on, there is a reason. My guess is the gaskets in the manifolds, vacuum leak, or 02 sensors. It thinks its lean when it is really rich so it dumps too much fuel in and then the downstream O2 sensor can't figure out why its not burning it all. People don't take care of cars and wonder why they don't work. Celica- 22 series Toyota motors are fantastic if you are not in a hurry. All you folks whining :P about diesels being too slow better not have a lot of love for that thing. General trend of all the British cars-I think a lot of today's cars are so boring, people are looking for something for romantic from the Brits or the Italians. An Alfa GTV has more sole than the Celica will ever have.
I have been thinking about getting into four-wheeling as there are a couple of good clubs in the area here. One of them goes out every other weekend for the whole year and I figure I would get a lot more chances to use a nicely built 4x4 then I will a little sports car or autocrosser.
I also think it would be good for business as I could probably rope a few of my customers to joining the club as well.
So I have been on the look out for a cheap XJ, ZJ or MJ. A rover would be nice but only the older ones are cheap enough and most of them are very questionable in terms of quality.
I spot this XJ for sale on the side of the road and pull over to look at it. The kid that owns it is outside and we start to talking. Brief run down of the Jeep. It is a 1994 sport model four door.
First the good.
White with gray interior that is not too bad on first inspection.
Custom tube style front and rear bumpers that greatly improve approach/departure angles along with built in tow hooks. 31X10.50 BFG Mud terrain tires on wider aftermarket rims and a 3 inch skyjacker lift kit. Rock sliders that seem to be firmly attached to the unibody. Manual Tranny which could be intersting as I have never wheeled with a manual tranny vehicle. It should make the Jeep's crawl ratio a lot better at least.
Now the bad.
184,000 miles on it which is not that bad as I have seen plenty of these vehicles make it to 250,000 miles.
Rear doors do not open from the outside. Rusty rocker pannels that the rock sliders do a fair job of hiding. I have noticed that living in the Northeast for the past year that lots of XJs get this rusty rocker pannel syndrome.
Not sure how easy it is to fix so I will have to check that out.
Other then that it seems ok but the kid wants 2,000 dollars for it. :sick:
His potential pool of buyers is very small since he is selling a rusty, modded manual tranny vehicle so I will see how much i can beat him down.
It's the height of summer, and you work in the biz... 2000/01 Jeep Cherokee 4x4's are going for $5 to $6 if they've got 90k or so... and if they're in good shape.
Rust never sleeps... I watched a friend go through this agony with a CJ Jeep (or whatever the Wrangler predecessor was called -- I'm not up on these). He bought the darned thing for $5 or so, and when the repair total hit $10, we stopped counting. And it wasn't over by a long shot.
That was a vehicle with about a dozen moving parts... it's amazing what breaks when they get old enough.
I have a model of a '69 Dart as well as that '68 GSS, but my '69 is just a GTS. I've heard of the Western Sport Special, but don't know much about it.
Here's an old ad for one. It wasn't a performance package, but just a dress up package. And if they're talking about carpeting being one of the options, I wonder if it was a dress-up package for the entry level Dart? The upper level Dart, the Custom, had carpeting standard IIRC. And the Custom had a nicer looking piece of side trim, while the base Dart had nothing, so that trim piece along the side was probably part of the WSS package too?
I've heard of the White Hat special, too. I think the White Hat Special was more of a nationwide sales campaign, where the Western Sport Special was, well, more "Western"?
but I kinda like that '66 Imperial you posted, Fintail. A buddy of mine had a '65 Imperial sedan, but it's been years since I've seen it or him. It was silver with a light blue interior, and I remember the power seat was stuck in a position that was just perfect for him, at about 5'8". Which means that I couldn't fit my 6'3" frame comfortably behind the wheel.
I guess the style does show what a Lincoln stylist could do to a '57 Imperial. That's basically what the car is underneath, althought the only real giveaway is the wraparound windshield. Supposedly the 2- and 4-door hardtops used the same roofline on these cars, but I dunno if that's true or not.
I like the '66 Jetstar too. What engine would that be...a 330? It looks to me like the smaller block that was ultimately used for stuff ranging from the 260 on up to the 403, and not the bigger 425/455 block. I don't really care for the exterior color so much, but I always loved that shade of bluish green that seemed so common on Oldsmobile interiors back then. Usually the exterior color was a lighter shade of blue/green though.
I've been out of the Jeep loop for a while, but I'm still going to stand up for the '70s Jeeps over anything in the Chrysler era. If you can find one where the body isn't rusting off, you are way ahead of the game. Everything mechanical on those AMC jeeps was bulletproof. Low-stressed iron-block simple engines, Dana differentials, good old manual locking hubs, etc.
However, that's from a 4x4 project standpoint. If you are looking to just buy and drive, I could see arguing in the other direction. The '70s jeeps aren't exactly the epitome of comfort and convenience.
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Yeah pre-Wrangler GPs are called CJs of various number designation depending on year and wheelbase.
I just like that this one has all the gear I want on it already with the exeption of full skid plates and some kind of traction device. Hell I am just going to beat the hell out of this thing on the trails around here so I don't want it to be in too good of shape it will make me feel bad.
Here is the rest of the story about this kid.
He has three trucks he is selling a 80s area Dodge Ramcharger. That is like Dodge's version of a Bronco.
Another 80s era K20 Chevy Pickup.
He has a new truck on order and is trying to sell all of these before the new one gets here. The trucks that don't sell will be traded in for the new truck. Real money trade side for a modded, rusty, manual tranny jeep is less than 500 bucks. If no one buys the jeep before his new truck comes in I might be able to snap up the Jeep for 750 bucks and I would be ok with that.
I dunno how the Delta 88's seats compared to the LeSabre's back then, but I think my grandma's '85 LeSabre Limited had some of the most comfortable seats I've ever rested my cheeks on!
By that time though, Buick put 1984 Electra seats in the '85 LeSabre limited, so it might have been a bit more plush than an '82 Delta. I wonder if Olds put 98 seats in the top line Delta 88, though?
It's kinda funny though, seeing a car that plush with crank windows! Kind of an interesting color, too. If I needed a car and it were closer, I'd be tempted to have a look at it.
When did power windows become standard (read: expected)on a car in the family sedan area? I know every sedan my parents had in this era had 'em and we had several Olds 98's and 2 Caddy's. No surprise that Caddy had 'em. Mom did have one of the 2 door Dodge Omni hatchbacks for a few years and they were crank windows.
Saw an interesting article about this on USA Today.com. Everything in the 06 or 07 model year from Honda will have power windows standard. I think Toyota only had 1 model they were not standard on.
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Diesel on the corner: $2.95/gal, gas 3.09/gal, prem 3.28/gal Gas has elastic demand, once it goes up, people stop buying it, Diesel is more commercial, and trucks and trains have the same needs no matter what the fuel cost (reasonably) so the price isn't as effected by demand. Yes, thats slow. But so was the 240D/4spd that I used to drive in the bay area. It was great to have those huge bumpers, it kept the battle scars down from those who park by braille.
I'm digging that Caddy! All I need is a pair of steer horns on the hood and someone to dress up like Little Enus (spelling?) to sit next to me. (if anyone needs that reference explained ... i'm sure someone will jump in and help. )
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any self respecting car nut would not need that reference explained. I didn't think about the car in that light until you mentioned it, but you're dead on!!
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People just have to face facts...when a car has 185K--225K miles on it, it is essentially like an old man of 90 years old. It may go for 5 years, it may drop dead tomorrow. The point is, natural statistical lifespan is O-V-E-R. The car has beat the odds but life expectancy is short.
Craigslist is the worst for damaged plain old cars that joker sellers still want over market value for. I suspect these are people who bought at BHPH lots, wrecked the car, and now want out, and want to pay the debt. Not long ago I saw a 95 Neon that looked like it had been t-boned by a train and they still wanted a grand for it!
re: the Eldo..."Oh I love your suits. It must have been a (you know what) to get a 68 Extra Fat and a 12 Dwarf."
I bet you anything the cylinder head is corroded and won't seal anymore. Very common problem with the 2.8 liters. New head + transmission work = no way on this car.
74 ELDO -- $8,500 is about top dollar for one of these. "They ask more but they don't get it".
Yeah I've heard about that head problem...my fintail experienced it a little I think when I ran water as coolant when it leaked and I had nothing but water to fill it - and then I forgot about it for a few months. I ran some sealent through the cooling system, the stuff where you get the engine hot for an hour and kind of let it cure. It seems to have fixed the problem, as this was back in 01, and it hasn't leaked coolant from where the head and block meet since.
Those 108s are such a timeless design...maybe it can keep a better one on the road.
I guess that most of these cars are buildable and it's cool that they're being saved, but it's weird to see them all together.
There doesn't seem to be much ryhme or reason to the pricing. A destroyed 67 Malibu with no drivetrain is worth $2500??? To be fair, that is the most impressive collection of beat up 78-81 Trans Ams and Camaros that I've ever seen anywhere
I'm not sure, but I think by 1977 power windows would have been standard in something like an Electra, 98, Riviera, Toronado, and any Lincoln or Caddy on the market.
I know that in 1979 power windows were standard on the New Yorker and NYer 5th Avenue. Although oddly, air conditioning was still an option. In contrast, I think by '79 a/c was standard on something like an Electra/98/Riv/Toro class of car, as well as the Caddies and Lincolns.
Power windows were still optional on the RWD LeSabre/Delta 88 on up through the end in 1985. Even on the top line Brougham/Limited "Collector's Edition" models. And I'm pretty sure I've seen some of the newer, FWD LeSabres and 88's with crank windows.
I'd guess by around 1991 or so, power windows were pretty much standard on full-sized cars, even the cheaper ones. And by the mid-late 90's, were standard on most midsized cars? And now it seems that most compact and even subcompact cars seem to be getting them standard. I guess in the long run, it's cheaper for the manufacturer to just make them all power for the sake of consistency, rather than some power and some crank.
My uncle's '03 Corolla has crank windows. And my buddy's '98 Tracker had them. But they're becoming much more rare. Heck, even with most of the older cars I've been getting, they've all had power windows lately. I think the most recently I've picked up a crank-window car was in 1999, when someone gave me a beat-up '67 Newport.
I guess that most of these cars are buildable and it's cool that they're being saved, but it's weird to see them all together.
Good lord, most of those heaps look worse than the '68 Dart in my yard that I've procrastinating about doing something with! Still, it's cool that they're being saved. Although perhaps some of them shouldn't be.
aren't crank windows standard in the Solstice? Or maybe it's optional a/c I'm thinking of. I remember there was something in the Solstice that surprised me that it wasn't standard.
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oh wait ... just found online.
105/137. Available in '85 and later.
Sooo... i'm curious if this '84 really IS an RE, and, if so, is it the original engine? Maybe they intro'd it in their cars before their trucks?
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I got a question: just how does one rub through the paint with their elbow in only 39k miles?
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This IS your father's Oldsmobile
Not as weird as its predecessors, but still odd
Not many left like this
In '83, I was thinking 0-60 in around 11 seconds for a Celica GTS and high 8s for a Celica Supra. They were heavy.
Hmmm... just checked another source and they support what you are saying. 11.8 for the 83/84 and 8.6 for the 86/87. Now I gotta find a tie breaker.
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I just can't believe those Celicas were slower than my 4Runner (i'm guessing, as I'm pretty darned sure my 4runner didn't take 12+ secs to get to 60).
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http://kansascity.craigslist.org/car/182194753.html
Overpriced, I'm sure.
Mom had the timing belt (chain?) break on her about 35 miles from home, and since it was an interference engine, it took some $$$ to make it right.
They got tired of only having 2 doors so they sold it and bought a used Camry to replace it.
Speaking of Celicas, when I was a kid my dad had a friend who owned a '79 liftback. Yellow with black interior and custom wheels. I really, really, really wanted that car.
:sick:
Here's a similar local car
About those Celicas...I saw an old old lady driving a maybe 80-81 (quad lights) liftback over the weekend. She was going SLOW (maybe 3mph in a parking lot), the car was brown, and in excellent condition.
NISSAN PATROL VS. FJ40 -- much the same as I recall, very much the same, but the PATROL is much rarer and much cheaper (what's not to like).
I just said I WANTED it. That doesn't mean I want to write a check for it. I want the seller to give it to me after reading about my love and devotion to this vehicle.
Is SanFran OK?
Seems to be quite a few nice squarebirds around
Another limited production tuned car that will be a curiosity at best
Contour- Buy a good one, if the CEL is on, there is a reason. My guess is the gaskets in the manifolds, vacuum leak, or 02 sensors. It thinks its lean when it is really rich so it dumps too much fuel in and then the downstream O2 sensor can't figure out why its not burning it all. People don't take care of cars and wonder why they don't work.
Celica- 22 series Toyota motors are fantastic if you are not in a hurry. All you folks whining :P about diesels being too slow better not have a lot of love for that thing.
General trend of all the British cars-I think a lot of today's cars are so boring, people are looking for something for romantic from the Brits or the Italians. An Alfa GTV has more sole than the Celica will ever have.
I also think it would be good for business as I could probably rope a few of my customers to joining the club as well.
So I have been on the look out for a cheap XJ, ZJ or MJ. A rover would be nice but only the older ones are cheap enough and most of them are very questionable in terms of quality.
I spot this XJ for sale on the side of the road and pull over to look at it. The kid that owns it is outside and we start to talking. Brief run down of the Jeep. It is a 1994 sport model four door.
First the good.
White with gray interior that is not too bad on first inspection.
Custom tube style front and rear bumpers that greatly improve approach/departure angles along with built in tow hooks. 31X10.50 BFG Mud terrain tires on wider aftermarket rims and a 3 inch skyjacker lift kit. Rock sliders that seem to be firmly attached to the unibody. Manual Tranny which could be intersting as I have never wheeled with a manual tranny vehicle. It should make the Jeep's crawl ratio a lot better at least.
Now the bad.
184,000 miles on it which is not that bad as I have seen plenty of these vehicles make it to 250,000 miles.
Rear doors do not open from the outside. Rusty rocker pannels that the rock sliders do a fair job of hiding. I have noticed that living in the Northeast for the past year that lots of XJs get this rusty rocker pannel syndrome.
Not sure how easy it is to fix so I will have to check that out.
Other then that it seems ok but the kid wants 2,000 dollars for it. :sick:
His potential pool of buyers is very small since he is selling a rusty, modded manual tranny vehicle so I will see how much i can beat him down.
Rust never sleeps... I watched a friend go through this agony with a CJ Jeep (or whatever the Wrangler predecessor was called -- I'm not up on these). He bought the darned thing for $5 or so, and when the repair total hit $10, we stopped counting. And it wasn't over by a long shot.
That was a vehicle with about a dozen moving parts... it's amazing what breaks when they get old enough.
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Here's an old ad for one. It wasn't a performance package, but just a dress up package. And if they're talking about carpeting being one of the options, I wonder if it was a dress-up package for the entry level Dart? The upper level Dart, the Custom, had carpeting standard IIRC. And the Custom had a nicer looking piece of side trim, while the base Dart had nothing, so that trim piece along the side was probably part of the WSS package too?
Here's a pic that shows the decal up close
I've heard of the White Hat special, too. I think the White Hat Special was more of a nationwide sales campaign, where the Western Sport Special was, well, more "Western"?
I guess the style does show what a Lincoln stylist could do to a '57 Imperial. That's basically what the car is underneath, althought the only real giveaway is the wraparound windshield. Supposedly the 2- and 4-door hardtops used the same roofline on these cars, but I dunno if that's true or not.
I like the '66 Jetstar too. What engine would that be...a 330? It looks to me like the smaller block that was ultimately used for stuff ranging from the 260 on up to the 403, and not the bigger 425/455 block. I don't really care for the exterior color so much, but I always loved that shade of bluish green that seemed so common on Oldsmobile interiors back then. Usually the exterior color was a lighter shade of blue/green though.
However, that's from a 4x4 project standpoint. If you are looking to just buy and drive, I could see arguing in the other direction. The '70s jeeps aren't exactly the epitome of comfort and convenience.
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I just like that this one has all the gear I want on it already with the exeption of full skid plates and some kind of traction device. Hell I am just going to beat the hell out of this thing on the trails around here so I don't want it to be in too good of shape it will make me feel bad.
Here is the rest of the story about this kid.
He has three trucks he is selling a 80s area Dodge Ramcharger. That is like Dodge's version of a Bronco.
Another 80s era K20 Chevy Pickup.
He has a new truck on order and is trying to sell all of these before the new one gets here. The trucks that don't sell will be traded in for the new truck. Real money trade side for a modded, rusty, manual tranny jeep is less than 500 bucks. If no one buys the jeep before his new truck comes in I might be able to snap up the Jeep for 750 bucks and I would be ok with that.
Condition looks very nice, rare upholstery, not an excessive price...might be a good (slow) runner if it checks out
By that time though, Buick put 1984 Electra seats in the '85 LeSabre limited, so it might have been a bit more plush than an '82 Delta. I wonder if Olds put 98 seats in the top line Delta 88, though?
It's kinda funny though, seeing a car that plush with crank windows! Kind of an interesting color, too. If I needed a car and it were closer, I'd be tempted to have a look at it.
Saw an interesting article about this on USA Today.com. Everything in the 06 or 07 model year from Honda will have power windows standard. I think Toyota only had 1 model they were not standard on.
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Gas has elastic demand, once it goes up, people stop buying it, Diesel is more commercial, and trucks and trains have the same needs no matter what the fuel cost (reasonably) so the price isn't as effected by demand.
Yes, thats slow. But so was the 240D/4spd that I used to drive in the bay area. It was great to have those huge bumpers, it kept the battle scars down from those who park by braille.
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/car/183579283.html What was ford (&this guy) thinking?
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/car/183389379.html
Is there any such thing as an older, somewhat economical car that is actually worth buying for not a lot of money? If Craigslist is any indication, mostly just over priced junk.
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/car/183332813.html Isn't this just an old car with lotsa miles?
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/car/183591531.html See what I mean?
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re: the Eldo..."Oh I love your suits. It must have been a (you know what) to get a 68 Extra Fat and a 12 Dwarf."
Back in black. No horns, though.
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Red = pimpin'
Black = boring
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Shame it is mechanically defective...it's quite pretty in that bad pic...maybe a great parts car or platform for a good engine from a rusty body
74 ELDO -- $8,500 is about top dollar for one of these. "They ask more but they don't get it".
Those 108s are such a timeless design...maybe it can keep a better one on the road.
Fairly unusual, probably some money pit potential, but it looks nice
Seems really dodgy based on the ad alone
"Euro edition"? Is that supposed to imply it is not US-legal?
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I guess that most of these cars are buildable and it's cool that they're being saved, but it's weird to see them all together.
There doesn't seem to be much ryhme or reason to the pricing. A destroyed 67 Malibu with no drivetrain is worth $2500??? To be fair, that is the most impressive collection of beat up 78-81 Trans Ams and Camaros that I've ever seen anywhere
I know that in 1979 power windows were standard on the New Yorker and NYer 5th Avenue. Although oddly, air conditioning was still an option. In contrast, I think by '79 a/c was standard on something like an Electra/98/Riv/Toro class of car, as well as the Caddies and Lincolns.
Power windows were still optional on the RWD LeSabre/Delta 88 on up through the end in 1985. Even on the top line Brougham/Limited "Collector's Edition" models. And I'm pretty sure I've seen some of the newer, FWD LeSabres and 88's with crank windows.
I'd guess by around 1991 or so, power windows were pretty much standard on full-sized cars, even the cheaper ones. And by the mid-late 90's, were standard on most midsized cars? And now it seems that most compact and even subcompact cars seem to be getting them standard. I guess in the long run, it's cheaper for the manufacturer to just make them all power for the sake of consistency, rather than some power and some crank.
My uncle's '03 Corolla has crank windows. And my buddy's '98 Tracker had them. But they're becoming much more rare. Heck, even with most of the older cars I've been getting, they've all had power windows lately. I think the most recently I've picked up a crank-window car was in 1999, when someone gave me a beat-up '67 Newport.
I am pretty sure I saw an article on leftlanenews that it was predicted roll up windows would fade away entirely in the next couple of years.
Good lord, most of those heaps look worse than the '68 Dart in my yard that I've procrastinating about doing something with! Still, it's cool that they're being saved. Although perhaps some of them shouldn't be.