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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    That has got to be one of the most hideous cars on God's good earth.
  • jaserbjaserb Member Posts: 820
    I got yer Sprint right here:
    http://www.fantasyjunction.com/used-cars.php?id=ede3713e48ec2d69cf69c5f9e336393e-

    Late 101 Giulietta (NOT 102 as the ad claims - BAD Fantasy Junction!) with the 1600 cc motor from a 105 series Giulia. Nice. Not concours but looks like a fantastic driver. Every time I'm in the bay area I plan to go window shopping over there but it hasn't worked out yet.

    -Jason
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,749
    looks like a decent driver. as good, if not better, condition than my '86 spider, as a matter of fact.

    While I haven't watched the market for these, $24k seems like an awful lot for a non-original mid-60s car with a small following.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Yeah, it seems like a decent car but not worth that money. Those seats will have to go. I'd guess it's worth $18,000 tops. I should go over and look. How can you tell it's a late 101 and not a 102? I'd love to rub that in their faces.

    Let's see....if I cash in some of the 401K and then....
  • jaserbjaserb Member Posts: 820
    102 series are the cast iron block 2 liter cars - like the 2600 (106 series) but with two fewer cylinders. Nothing like the 750 / 101 / 105 series Giuliettas and Giulias.

    Just sell the dumpy little Scion and pick it up!

    -Jason
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I'm going to call him and see what he has to say about that ad.

    I can't drive an Alfa as an everyday car, that'll never work.

    I need three cars:

    1. modern work car with warranty

    2. classic car

    3. demo-derby car for driving and parking in San Francisco.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,035
    from the 60's always throws me off, I guess because they changed it around so much. Was the Jetstar the cheapest 88 in 1964? Regardless, it's a nice looking car, at least in the pics.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,035
    You could get a 360 in the Volare, but I think most of them were just 2-bbl engines. I'm not sure about the stock hp on them, it would probably be a bit more in '77, but by '79 the 360 was down to about 150 hp with the 2-bbl and 195 with the 4-bbl.

    I have a Mopar police car book that mentioned a test of a 1979 Volare with the 360-4bbl. 0-60 in 8.7 seconds and 0-100 in something like 22.3. That may not sound all that impressive, but as recently as 2002 or so, the Intrepid, Impala, and Crown Vic police cars STILL weren't quite that fast!
  • jaserbjaserb Member Posts: 820
    Let us know what it looks like. I'm moving to the DC suburbs soon so I understand the necessity of having a car you don't care about for everyday driving.

    Oh, and if you do buy it PLEASE rip out the cheesy late '70s Spider cassette player. :P

    -Jason
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,035
    which DC suburbs are you moving to? I'm in PG county, about 10 miles from the DC line, near where Route 50 and the Beltway intersect.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Oh good god why?
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    Clearly for the future appreciation potential.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    "fireball V8" is an appropriate name for that Buick aluminum block---LOL!
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,035
    Yup, I had a 1982 Cutlass Supreme coupe in "Jadestone", with the same color-keyed rallye wheels. And if what I've heard is accurate, that Cutlass's V-6 has about 4,000 miles max left in it! :surprise:
  • jaserbjaserb Member Posts: 820
    I'll know exactly where once I find a place :)

    I'm working in Tysons corner, so the closer to Tyson's the better. Looking in Herndon, Vienna, etc.

    -Jason
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,461
    Bring money. Lots of money.

    My sister Lives in Herndon, so I have been visiting that area for many years. Real nice, just got pricey, although the housing market (for sales) has cooled off a bit lately. At least there are a lot of appartment complexes in the area. And traffic!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Same V8 used on all gas Land Rovers up untill 2002 and used in the discovery untill 2004.

    Never really solved the head gasket problems with that motor.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Dog of a motor but constantly developed and improved into something useable. A testament to the longevity of mediocrity??
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Yeah pretty much. It actually worked pretty well for the discos during the last two years. Had plenty of torque at a fairly low RPM which is important for off road use.

    From what the techs tell me is that if you take the crank from the 3.9/4.0 liter V8 and swap it into the 4.6 liter block you get a much more powerful and more reliable engine with a wider power band.

    Hmhh but maybe it is the other way around. 4.6 liter crank into the 3.9/4.0 block. Anyway whichever way it works out the engine is much better that way.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,749
    '63 Buick - can someone explain to me why some folks take pics of their interior THROUGH the glass, rather than open a door or god forbid open a window? I've seen this a couple of times recently and it makes me think they are selling a car that isn't even theirs.

    on another note, just a couple of days ago, my wife was saying she misses our little brown kraut. Well, as fate would have it, someone down the street from me put their 2.3 190e out for sale yesterday. I know nothing about it at this point other than it is white, looks pretty clean, and has a front spoiler on it that my 190 didn't have (but i don't think its as pronounced as that 16v one that was posted here recently).

    I'll stop by on the way home tonight and take a closer look.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    If you had a 190E and had good luck with it, then your good luck bank account is now empty. Buyer beware says Shifty (holding out two cents).

    CAR PHOTO GRIPES:

    1. Taking a photo of a car from 600 yards away

    2. No photos of undercarriage

    3. Photo of engine shot at a shallow angle, so all you see is the top of the battery and one valve cover

    4. Mention of rust but never any photo of it
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,465
    Is it a 2.3 or a 2.3-16? I'd take the latter much faster.

    My old MB specialist has an interesting 190E. It's a 5-speed 1993 sportline. BUT...it has an engine transplant from a 300CE, so it's a bit faster than the normal 190E. Kinda neat little car.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,465
    I can deal with bad photos on craigslist...I have to consider the venue. But on ebay, there is no excuse. Sadly, the pics on ebay are often no better than craigslist.

    I like the ones that mention body damage on one side of the car, but all pics are of the other side.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    ...or convertibles where they only have photos with the top down.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,465
    Or pictures taken in some grimy old garage with about 2" of room on either side of the car, so you basically get a picture of the rear end.

    Or on the same note, any pic of a car sinking into the ground due to lack of use, where the ad raves about how it runs and drives.

    No pic, but one for Shifty...hahahahaha
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    ChevyPorsche928-- actually I have no objection to the renegade conversion, since the original car had a V8 in it. Not sure about the wide tires, though. The car handled great as it was. The price seems optimistic however. Note the comment about the stunning 80s era German AC.

    Volvo 122 automatic -- delusional pricing. Try $400 as a parts car.

    Mercedes Ponton: Cute little thing, but bazongo pricing. Try $9,500 and be grateful for it. Can you even drive this thing on a freeway without risking your life? Nice "ice cream" car for the kids on Sunday however.

    Yet another "Convert to biodiesel" ad. You too can enjoy hauling 100 lb drums of used cooking oil into your garage for filtration and chemical treatments. Yippie! Or you can pay $4.00 a gallon for it at the pump.

    Gee, take your bike to work one day a week and accomplish way more with way less.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,749
    wait a sec. i thought the 190e was considered very reliable. At least, that's what alot of owners seem to think on the message board i found.

    anyway, i wouldn't say we had good luck with ours, necessarily. I didn't have it for very long, and it quickly developed a leaking head gasket, which I could not fix with my tools (if anyone knows how the hell to use a pulley puller in the 4 inches of space between the pulley and nose of a compact luxury car with a straight-6 engine, let me know). I sold the car instead. I believe i wrote about it here ... or maybe CCBA. I forget.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    bingo! Bad head gasket....welcome to the 190E club.

    Those people must be lying (just kidding). A 190E is in my book a very risky car and its reputation is not good "on the street".
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    I thought the 300E was the reliable one.

    I had a college girlfriend with a 190E - it blew a head gasket one day when I was driving it.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,465
    Were these failures mainly on 4cyl cars? Was it a design flaw or something to do with not using MB coolant? I've heard the latter takes out old 6cyl head gaskets.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    The 190Es were just trouble from one end to the other. Probably right up there with a Renault LeCar and Hyundai Excel. It was probably Benz's worst car ever in its 100 year history, IMO. Your results may vary of course.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,035
    which Benz it was that FocusMatt had? He hasn't posted around here in a few years now. For some reason I want to say it was a 190-something, but I think it had a 2.6 straight-six in it? Does that sound right?
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    I was speaking of a 4-cyl 190E. In Mercedes's defense, I doubt it was religiously maintained.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,749
    there is a 190e 2.6. that's the one i had.

    well, we didn't get to stop and check out that 2.3 one for sale. we both worked late, blah, blah, blah. In any case, my wife came to her senses at some point last night and said "well, i guess we really don't need it and if we do get another car, it should be a pickup, like you said."

    women.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    crappy 914. The seller seems to think it is a nice car, but I have no idea what would give him that idea.

    Nicer 914 with a six. I bet he wants a lot for it.

    Shifty, did you close the deal on that 914 you wanted?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,749
    That one looks like it could be a fun car. I still don't like the styling of the 914, though.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Yeah it is very different.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,749
    Someone who knows Falcons needs to tell me if that car really came with 2 stacked hood scoops (well, ok, the bottom one really isn't a "scoop" persay). That just looks silly. I'm thinking the top one was added on by some [non-permissible content removed] ... please say I'm right. If it wasn't for that, I would find it a good looking car.

    On the audi - any engine will go 500,000 miles ... if you keep rebuilding it.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,749
    ok benz experts. What is the good, bad, and ugly on this car.

    http://newjersey.craigslist.org/car/181127536.html

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,749

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,749
    not the worst molestation I've seen. Kind of nice, actually, except maybe the seats. But you want HOW MUCH??
    http://www.dvaroc.org/For%20Sale/Bobs%20Sale.htm

    and, shifty, don't scroll down the page to his second item for sale. You may cry.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,749
    http://newjersey.craigslist.org/car/180907173.html

    i hate when people leave out important details like MILES!

    good grief. I mean, the 3 most important details on a car are WHAT is is, HOW MUCH it is, and HOW MANY miles. Why is that so tough?

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

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