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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,032
    in 2005 at a car show in Macungie PA, this gem was for sale for something like $800. I was pretty tempted, thinking it would make a cool beater. I imagine it would be enough of a guzzler to make every other vehicle I had look like a Prius in comparison, though!

    Oh, and as for length, I have a used car book that lists these monsters at something like 227" long. Actually a couple inches longer than the Eldorado! Wheelbase was shorter though, something like 122" compared to 126.3". I wonder if the shorter wheelbase coupled with more overhang actually helps amplify the massive appearance of the car? I think the biggest offender in this category was actually the Mark V. Only 120.4" in wheelbase, but ~230" long overall, IIRC.
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    Any car that one has any interest in should be purchased when the price is $800.
  • jaserbjaserb Member Posts: 820
    That iron block inline 6 is heavy. I rebuilt a 260Z motor when I was 17, with reasonable success I might add. I could barely manhandle the bare block and I was in pretty good shape back then.

    I wouldn't touch that 240, though - the paint looks OK in pics but that's not an original 240Z color. I'd need to see it up close and give it the magnet test. Add the blacked-out chrome bumpers (yuck) and it has too many signs of being a fright pig for my taste. Quick and dirty cosmetic "resto".

    -Jason
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    When I was 17 I rebuilt a little honda 4 cylinder just for fun.

    At the time I was lifting a lot of weights and I could just barely dead lift it off the floor when I needed to move it a couple of times without an engine stand.

    I have no idea what it weighed though and it was mostly aluminium.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,032
    Any car that one has any interest in should be purchased when the price is $800.

    Yeah, but my problem is that I tend to keep on finding cheap cars like that that catch my eye. And at those cheap prices it's too easy to lose discipline. I could see myself ending up with a junkyard!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,748
    fright pig

    i'm not quite sure I've ever heard this phrase before. Its .... colorful. ;)

    that's not an original 240Z color

    Good thing its not running, then. Nothing worse than being seen in a car that's not the original color. :insert some goofy emoticon here: ;)

    I don't know. These strike me as easy to work on, its a reliable engine (ain't it?), and a very nice timeless design, IMHO. If I'm looking for something cool to drive (not win shows), I'd take a SERIOUS look at this. Heck, I'm kinda glad it ain't near me because I'd probably be arguing with my wife right now.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,748
    Ya know how you get an email that says something like "nude pics inside" and you open it up only to find out its an advertisement for some junk stock .... well, its pretty much the same thing here when I saw this listing for a Subaru SVX.

    There are just SO MANY cars not worth saving. This is obviously one of them.

    In other words, PLEASE give me ANYTHING to work on before I bury myself in this car!!

    I like the style ... but that strikes me as WAY overpriced. 4-doors, 6-cylinder, and lots of rot do not a restoration project make.

    Pretty good pounds per dollar ratio.

    How one detail can ruin an otherwise nice vehicle.

    I LOVE this quote: If you know something about cars in general, not much descriptions are needed. That's definitely one of the best copouts I've ever read.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    914 - It would be hard to come off much more desperate. I bet he would even trade it for that $600 Bonneville

    F-100 - I was going to call and offer him twice what he wanted because I have been looking long and hard for a truck with a painting of a lady from the 1800s giving us a crotch shot while piloting a modern go-cart. Unfortunately for me, he doesn't want any absurb offers.

    Land Cruiser - I know something about cars in general - when someone says a car needs an oil change and tune-up, it probably needs a new engine just as a beginning.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I'd LOVE to live in a junkyard---but I mean a REAL well-run organized junk yard. I'd clear a large field in back for you guys and set up a figure eight track, and toss you the keys to one of my fleet of 100 beaters. I'd sell parts by weight, that is, weighing the customers when they come in and when they leave. Naturally, those seeking electronics will get bargains, and radio knobs will be a steal.

    $800 "beaters" -- I guess back East people still buy "salt cars" to trash in the winter while their beloved regular rides hide in the garage. That's a great idea, and a good practical use for cars that otherwise are certainly not worth saving.

    SVX Ad: well, satire is dead.

    Ford Pickup: Nice truck for an 85 year old former B-17 pilot. (allusion to warplane nose art).

    LIFTING MOTORS: Many years ago I ran a small garage in Boulder Colorado. It was a large space so I sublet to two thugs from Chicago who took 1/2 the space. These guys were like bikers, scarier than hell...they looked like Vikings on drugs. Anyway, whenever I had to pull a motor, I bought them a six pack, and they'd saunter over with a long pipe and a chain, and LIFT the motor right out of there---usually after I'd removed the heads and manifolds, etc. These guys had hands like bear paws, necks like fire hydrants and biceps the size of hog hams. But deep down, beneath that hard, violent exterior, was a hard violent interior.
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    May be a decent 2nd gen RX-7
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,748
    I'd LOVE to live in a junkyard---but I mean a REAL well-run organized junk yard. I'd clear a large field in back for you guys and set up a figure eight track, and toss you the keys to one of my fleet of 100 beaters. I'd sell parts by weight, that is, weighing the customers when they come in and when they leave. Naturally, those seeking electronics will get bargains, and radio knobs will be a steal.

    What a sweet thing to say. I, for one, feel so privileged to be part of your great American dream, shifty. :)

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,032
    I'd like to open an indoor junkyard, which would help the old wrecks last longer since it would keep the weather off of them, keep trees from growing up through them, and keep a good deal of the critters out.

    I think if some car was totally shot and never had a snowball's chance in hell of being rescued, I'd just strip whatever was useful off of it and send the rest to be recycled. But otherwise, if I thought a car seemed semi-salvagable, I'd just let it sit indoors indefinitely.

    As for an $800 beater, where I live it really wouldn't make that much sense here, because our winters aren't THAT bad, and whenever we get a real snowstorm we really don't have the infrastructure in place to deal with it. So for the most part we just close down and stay home! I just figure that with something like that $800 Toronado, it would be a good chance for me to just get something like that, have some fun with it until it broke or I got bored with it, and then when I had to get rid of it I wouldn't be out TOO much money.

    Usually what I'd do though, is in the wintertime keep my $900 NYer off the road as much as possible, and let the Intrepid take the abuse. I figure that since the NYer is old and doesn't have the rust protection that the Intrepid does, I'd rather protect it. Especially since I want to keep it for awhile, where in contrast I'm not trying to preserve the Intrepid for posterity....just trying to keep it long enough to postpone a new(er) car payment for as long as possible!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454
    I'd like to have an indoor junkyard too...use an aircraft hangar or something. I think I could find some interesting old heaps around here.

    Cools seeing Andre swoon over that big old Toro LOL. I like finding something that makes someone want it.

    This looks in decent shape, but lose those tires

    Speaking of that ugly Valiant, this variant is 10000x uglier
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,032
    I'd like to have an indoor junkyard too...use an aircraft hangar or something. I think I could find some interesting old heaps around here.

    Back when I was applying for the permit to get my garage built, they told me that I could have a coverage ratio, I think it was called, of 25%. Meaning that the footprint of the house, driveway, sidewalks, patios, decks, and all outbuildings could be up to 25% of the total area of the yard.

    So in theory I could have 1.07 acres of "coverage". Which is about 46,600 square feet I think. Doing a rough calculation, I think I currently have about 4400 square feet of coverage. About half of that is just for the gravel driveway. So if I really wanted to, it looks like I could build a few more garages. The garage I had built was 960 square feet. So theoretically, I could build about 43 more of them to use up the remaining 42000 square feet of coverage.

    I wonder how many I could get away with before the county put their foot down? :shades:

    One of my uncles bought a small ranch/farmette whatever you want to call it up near Frederick, MD about 10 or so years ago. It has a big 50x100 pole barn building on it with a big sliding door wide enough and tall enough to probably get a motorhome or tractor trailer in. I'd LOVE to have something like that built!

    It was funny though, the first time my Dad and I saw the place, the first thought both of us had was "how many cars do you think you could get in there?" :P
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,557
    So many of these cars look like bottomless money pits.

    But I like the bright red color that Chrysler painted those slant six engines. My wife and I used to have a 1961 Dodge Lancer, the predecessor to the Dart. It was bought new by her grandmother, and only had 40-50k on it when we were driving it in the early to mid-90s. That car had the best visibility of any car I've every been in--it was just panoramic. The interior room was great for the small exterior size too. It was really the best of the compact cars in terms of quality engineering, imho--way beyond a Falcon or Corvair or VW for that matter. The slant six had really good pickup with the pushbutton 2 speed (?) transmission. Felt like you could get from 0-60 in about 13 seconds, although maybe it wasn't that fast. Since it didn't have power steering or brakes, the interior of the engine compartment was a clean and almost empty thing of beauty, with that great red engine. When things broke on it though, like the winshield wiper, parts just did not seem available--not even in junkyards (I guess some parts were different from the more common Dart).

    Just when our first child was born, in 1996, we decided to get rid of the car because it didn't have rear seatbelts for child seats. By chance someone walked by and offered us $2000 for it, even though we didn't have a for sale sign on it. I was thrilled, and wanted that money (which seemed way more than it was worth, even with the low miles), but my wife felt she had to offer it to her brother first. He's an engineer, built his own diesel engine for his truck, etc. He wanted the car, and so for the last ten years it's been sitting under a tarp near Escalon, California. When he retires, perhaps he'll restore it.

    Ben
    PS This made me laugh out loud!
    "These guys were like bikers, scarier than hell...they looked like Vikings on drugs. Anyway, whenever I had to pull a motor, I bought them a six pack, and they'd saunter over with a long pipe and a chain, and LIFT the motor right out of there---usually after I'd removed the heads and manifolds, etc. These guys had hands like bear paws, necks like fire hydrants and biceps the size of hog hams. But deep down, beneath that hard, violent exterior, was a hard violent interior."
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,697
    I think I could find some interesting old heaps around here.

    Here you have it, folks.... the understatement of the year! :P
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454
    Unfortunately your McMansion neighbors would raise a stink. I have long wanted to have a big pole building in the country for squirreling away some odd metal. My old Mercedes specialist had a setup like that...must have had a bazillion square feet of space, usually had about 15-20 running cars parked inside (some of them very nice) and maybe another dozen non runners...not to mention the 20 or so cars parked outside.

    I could start the fintail restoration center...or the fintail preservation center...or just the pile of old junk...

    If I was looking for a truck, I would want to find something like this. Awesome color combo...take off the old man canopy and it would be pretty sharp. I don't know about the price though

    Could be a good work car
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,697
    1966 Ford. Wow... no kidding. That thing is amazing! Looks better, even, than my '69 C20 when I unearthed it in 1997! Bummer about that auto transmission. if it had a manual and was, indeed, a 3/4 ton, I would buy it for $7500.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,557
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,032
    The more I think about it, when my '85 Silverado finally bites the big one, I might look into just getting some cool old 60's/early 70's truck to play around with. Nothing that's TOO nice, as it will get pressed into service on occasion.

    As for my buddy who has a '95 F-150 back in Michigan, well his parents had it checked out, and it looks like it needs about $2800 worth of work. Among the things that are wrong with it, the tranny's starting to go. So the prospects of it replacing my Silverado are just about nonexistent.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Reserve not met at $8,600? Exactly WHAT is the buyer waiting for? A miracle? It's an ambulance not a woody!

    Problem with these things is what to you do with it except drag it from one freak show to another.

    Shifty says anything over $10,000, grab it. It ain't gonna get much better as time goes on and more things break. This is basically sale-proof, so any serious bid is a good bid.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,032
    of a twisted sort when it comes to automotive preferences, and will admit that there are a few hearses and ambulances that I think would be cool to own. Namely a '61-62 Cadillac or a '57-58 DeSoto. Believe it or not, DeSoto hearses and ambulances are out there. They were converted by a company called Memphian, while I think it was Superior that did most of the GM hearses. Oh, a '61 Pontiac would be cool, too! I know where there is one in a junkyard in Culpeper, VA. I was last down there about 10 years ago, and it looked like it had been there about 20 years even then. I'm sure it's totally useless now.

    But still, like Shifty said, how many buyers are there for these things? And even though I think the ones I mentioned are way cool, if presented with the opportunity to buy one, I might still come to my senses before writing out the check!

    If your only form of transportation was a hearse and you had to go to a funeral, would it be in poor taste to drive it in the procession? :shades:
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,557
    That is in a way a dream/nightmare car for me. Has anyone here watched 6 Feet Under? One of the main characters in that drives a 70s Cadillac hearse that looks not that far off of this one at ebay:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1974-Cadillac-S-S-Landau-Hearse-not-Ambulance-Lim- ousine_W0QQitemZ130018256405QQihZ003QQcategoryZ6152QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ- ViewItem

    Awesome cargo capacity. You could sleep in it if it wouldn't creep you out too much. I think it would be a little creepy. I wonder if you can smell chemicals in it.

    It's kind of the ultimate Goth station wagon. The character who owned it (and hers was green) wrecks it in the second to last episode (I think). In the last episode she's driving a Prius from LA to NY.

    What was that movie with...what were their names...Bud Cort and Ruth Gordon(?) I can't recall the name of the movie. But they used to hang out at funerals of people they didn't know. Did one of them drive a hearse? Haven't seen that movie since the 70s.

    All in all that Toronado that Andre was interested in is probably more practical to drive once a week or so. For Toronados I really like the 67s. What a great instrument panel those had.
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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,557
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,032
    is pretty neat looking. Love the color! But from what I've heard, they don't call them S&M for nothing!
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    Learned Friends:

    Remember my little '83 Datsun with the bad clutch master cyl?

    Well, I finally got the title yesterday and put plates on it properly... but I've been driving it off & on with the NC plates, just for the heck of it.

    After about 50 miles or so -- over a period of 4 weeks -- the car started to sputter and run rough. Completely out of the blue, while sitting there and idling.

    Won't take gas, won't stay on when warm, won't accelerate except with the slightest pressure on the throttle. To me, classic symptoms of running lean, and probably a partially clogged jet. So here I am with my $300 bargain, waiting for times that the missus isn't around so I can work on a car I don't need which I said I wouldn't do. Great.

    My mechanic said likely a "varnish" problem from sitting with low gas for 9 months. He recommended a "power flush" -- rev the engine w/ the air cleaner off, then plug the intake by covering with a clean towel. The engine produces a strong vacuum, and fuel is sucked out of the float bowl, and hopefully some junk with it.

    A friend of mine said that sounded like a great idea, and that a buddy of his did something similarly clever and got a free helicopter ride to U of M hospital, skin grafts, and a medically induced coma to cirumvent the pain. I'm thinking I'll stay with cars from '91 and up.

    Ugh. And such a fun little truck otherwise.
    My luck with cars hasn't been so great lately... the '96 Milly is still running like a top [knock on wood, scratch a backstay].

    -Mathias
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Yeah that doesn't sound so smart. Just take the carb off, take it apart and give it a good cleaning. Might as well rebuild the carb while you have it off as well.
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    Where I work, I've been trying to institute a ban on the following words:

    JUST
    SHOULD
    ALREADY

    I'll make a mental note to add the expression MIGHT AS WELL to the list. At the thoracic surgeon or the auto repair shop, beware the words "while you're in there".

    There are no fewer than 15 vacuum lines going to that carburetor. I am very afraid.

    -Mathias
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    haha

    I know that feeling. When I was replacing the timing chain in my old Bonneville my thought was...

    Well the water pump is on the timing chain cover I MIGHT AS WELL replace that too...

    I ended up breaking a water pump bolt off in the cover and not being able to get it back out. So then I had to buy a new timing chain cover.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Sounds like you might have a big vacuum leak somewhere. You can test for this by carefully squirting carb cleaner under the carb base or around vacuum lines (stay away from ignition wires obviously).

    If not that, you might try this---cross two spark plug wires so that the car backfires through the carb when you try to start it..this sometimes blows debris out of the jets.

    It's safe because you have the air cleaner on.

    I wouldn't be too quick to tear into a Japanese carburetor if I were you.
  • ghuletghulet Member Posts: 2,564
    ...yeah, after my last carbureated car (a $500 '87 Accord that eventually blew a head gasket, I think--the city towed it away before I figured out what was wrong with it, which is apparently what Chicago does if you have an ugly car in a pretty neighborhood), I vowed 'never again' (though that's a phrase I probably should not use).
  • ghuletghulet Member Posts: 2,564
    ...nice or not, I still think his price is about double what it should be (these things are death traps).
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,032
    I've never seen it, but I think that movie might be called Harold and Maude? I've heard of it, it's supposed to be pretty funny. Although I heard that part of the plot revolves around Ruth Gordon getting it on with some dude like 1/3 her age!

    The only movie I ever saw Ruth Gordon in was "The Big Bus", where she played a little old lady running away from home. I thought she was pretty hysterical in it. I think she was supposed to spoof that little old lady stowaway from "Airport"
  • ghuletghulet Member Posts: 2,564
    ...a $300 Porsche that's, sadly, probably priced correctly:

    http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/car/196347649.html
  • toomanyfumestoomanyfumes Member Posts: 1,019
    Yeah, that's Harold and Maude. The kid drives around in an old hearse. His mother is shocked, and buys the kid a new Jaguar. So he takes the Jag, and converts it into a hearse! The movie is worth checking out, too. There's a scene where Ruth Gordon peels out in front of the cops in a Late 60's Mustang (I think). I don't remember if thats what she drives in the movie, or if she is stealing it.
    2012 Mustang Premium, 2013 Lincoln MKX Elite, 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Seems like an alright Merc if it checked out after a closer inspection.

    1969 Merc

    I always liked these too bad this one is so rough.

    67 GTX
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454
    The MB likely needs a valve job, maybe rings, and then with the brake and clutch work, you could be in 4K or so in an independent shop, or more if anything else is off (hope and pray the pistons are OK). Maybe good for the skilled DIYer. An injected 108 with a floor shift manual is pretty rare...someone should want it. It does look really clean. Might be easier to just drop in another engine.

    Every time I see a GTX I think of "Tommy Boy".
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well for $500 bucks or so I guess there's no harm in a '69 280SE. The stickshift looks like fun, but it isn't. It's like rowing an oar in a barrel. If you're thinkin' sports car, think UPS truck....but if you can get away with a master cylinder and keep pouring oil in it, hey, it's cheap enough.

    GTX -- welded, tubbed, cut, no OEM motor....what's the point anymore?
  • jaserbjaserb Member Posts: 820
    "Fright pig (n): A car that has been given a cheap paint job without proper bodywork underneath, and will look good just long enough to sucker in a new buyer before large chunks of urethane and bondo start falling onto the unlucky new owner's driveway."

    I sold a solid, decent, nice running Z 4-5 years ago for about $2k or so. You're right - they're nice looking, fun to drive, easy to work on, and reliable. Just think that's too much for a car with unknown problems and not much market value. I haven't been following Zs but I'd have to think you can get a super example for under $10k still. But hey, if the paint is as good as advertised it might be fun.

    -Jason
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,748
    AH! See, here I thought it was just a replacement term for "nightmare," but now that I see your definition, it explains your point of view on this car much better. thanks. LOL.

    I actually believe the intro of the 350z renewed interest in old Zs and brought the prices up .... a bit. Nothing to get too worked up over, though.

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  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Also helped that Nissan had a handful of 240z cars restored to their original specs and sold through nissan dealerships.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Z-car
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,748
    wow. i didn't know that. that's kinda cool. Although, back in '98 (when they did it), I don't think I would have been too interested. I wonder what they sold them for.

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  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    I wanted one badly then but having just graduated High school I could not afford one. I think they were in the middle to upper 20,000 range.

    They were completly identical to the 1970 model with one exeption. The paint used was modern as EPA regulations banned the paint used on the original 240z cars years ago.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    For that 126 could you put the VIN into a euro VIN decoder and figure out what the story is???
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454
    Yeah there's even a site for Euro MB VINs, I kinda wish the seller put it in the ad. I'm not interested enough to ask however, even though I do think it's a pretty cool car.

    The interior is original/genuine and looks mint, really excellent. It throws me off.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,748
    well, i didn't read the whole ad, but you did notice it says "salvage title", right? That could explain a lot of the inconsistencies. Somebody could have pieced it back together from several vehicles.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454
    I thought of that...but that seems like a lot of work for a car not worth so much money anymore. And that could have to do with it being grey market and not being certifiable in CA, too. Mystery car. I'd take it for free.
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