Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

fintail

Indeed, one could ship out those diesels and double their dough. Can old GMs be converted to bio?

And he knocks it down even more...I should go buy it just to taunt Andre...

Not many left like this...might be a good economical 2nd car

xwesx

Holy hell, that is without a doubt the ugliest car I have ever had the misfortune to see. I feel violated. :mad:

xwesx

Andre needs a new old truck, part 38.

Oooo! Now you are getting closer. Put that in a long bed. :P

andre1969

I was thinking the same thing...I really like that '67 GMC! Seems like back then, a GMC really did seem like a more upscale truck from a Chevy. Plus, I think it just looks tougher, with those quad headlights and that crosshair grille.

I like the looks of the stepside bed, but for practicality's sake just prefer the long fleetside bed. Did they ever make a long version of the stepside bed?

andre1969

That '75 Toronado ad looks like it's been deleted. How low did the guy end up dropping his price? Or do I not want to know? :sick:

british_rover

I remember reading several years ago that a C5 corvette or a last gen F-body needs about 600 horspower to break 200 mph in 4th gear with a manual.

I think that genertaion of vette and camaro had Cd's of around .30 or so.

What was the Cd of a 944 turbo?

qbrozen

Somebody would like this. I have no idea who.

Ok. I confess. I think its quite attractive.

lemmer

The guy was probably exaggerating about the boost, thinking that it would impress me. You know what would impress me? A completely unmolested 944 Turbo. For me, they are fast enough stock, and I don't want somebody's hand grenade engine with the pin already pulled.

I agree on the top speed - a chipped 944 Turbo S might be able to top 160 mph, but not this car.

Mr_Shiftright

I don't think an '85 GMC diesel is what most people want---they are such nasty noisy brutal things, and people have become somewhat spoiled by modern diesels, even in trucks.

Porsche CD: It's probably got fairly good aero design but still, it ain't goin' 200 mph without JATO assist. 22 psi would blow the head right off that engine...you're taking a risk even with 15 psi for very short bursts--trying to pull 200 mph with that amount of boost on all the time---no way, no way. Most engineers consider 25 psi as the absolute limits of boost for the strongest engines in the world.

qbrozen

I feel sorry for this guy!

brand new ones are being advertised for over $10k off sticker. that's gotta hurt! this may be ... what? a $16k car now?

bumpy

Did they ever make a long version of the stepside bed?

Yep. In those days, the stepside bed came in 6, 8, and 9-foot lengths and the fleet side was 6 or 8 (not counting the Longhorn option, which was basically a factory splice job).

Mr_Shiftright

No he's got it priced about right, at least theoretically. I never like the rear end styling on the car and the car magazines disliked the car in general for some reason, but consumer reviews on Edmunds were quite good. Go figure.

Probably what hurts it is that it is very expensive for a domestic coupe with not a lot of low end torque.

fintail

He had it down to 1750...he sounded really desperate. I bet it could have been had for 1300-1400.

I can handle getting the year wrong once...but twice...no excuse

Sure is a pretty one, I don't know what it really is worth

lilengineerboy

Nova-
He's 10 years off. That is a 76-79 or 80. Man was that a great car. I don't think mine had a repair over about $100 the 140k we had the car. Ours had the 250/straight 6 with a TH350. That was the last time we had a "lifetime" automatic transmission (well the K-car did too but it had a short lifetime overall).
It was one of the few cars I have ever seen rust in California, but it took it 20 years to rust out the top of the trunk.
Had I been slightly more defiant, I would have put in the 350 the thing should've had in the first place.
I remember sitting on the fender with my feet in the engine compartment to change the plugs and wires.

au1994

I agree, just too darned expensive.

For the folks that are shopping for this price level of 2 seat sports coupe's, Chrysler never crosses their mind.

I like the way they look inside and out, but I understand the coupes have very poor rear visibility.

qbrozen

i dunno about Cali, but since I can get that brand spankin new off the showroom floor for $24k right now here in Jersey, I'm pretty sure $19k for one with 39k miles is overpriced. You sure you aren't thinking its a droptop? Referring to KBB (again), they hit it at $15k and change as a trade-in. So even if their number is accurate, that translates to about $17k private party. So his asking price isn't TOO far off.

Regardless, even if he got $19k for it, that's pretty brutal for a car that he probably paid mid-$30s for 2 years ago. And that's the part I feel sorry about.

Don't get me wrong, I thought it was a sexy car when it came out. The only thing that spared me from being punished like this guy is that I would have had to cut my legs off at the knee AND had my neck surgically removed to fit in it. I couldn't even safely test drive the darned thing.

jlflemmons

I have checked KBB, NADA, Edmunds, and none of them put this vehicle anywhere close to what he is asking. This is the sort of thing I would like to find for my son, but where is this guy getting his price?

High mileage 2000 Blazer

lemmer

Those things are awful. I can drive an MGB or a Miata, but I can't even really sit in a Crossfire. Are they only for girls?

Mr_Shiftright

CROSSFIRE: Well I mean it's retail "asking" price, but really I haven't checked the market in northern California because generally imports are so much stronger out here. I rarely even *see* new Corvettes or Cadillacs and I don't think I've EVER seen a Crossfire on the road (I'm sure I would have noticed it). Maybe L.A. is the place for this car. And yes, I would agree, as it has the genetic code of an SLK, it would appeal more to women I think.

1968 CAMARO SS350: if it's "real", then $29,000 is about retail for a 4-speed L48. He might get it.

lemmer

ProStreet MGB. I have no idea why he thinks a trashed MGB shell is worth the opening bid.

Nice looking RX-3, but no engine.

How much for this decent looking 911 SC?

Mr_Shiftright

Ohhhh, I'd love to have that RX-3!

qbrozen

i'd love it, too ... but have no idea what I would do without the engine. It would be a pretty flower pot, I suppose.

qbrozen

This '89 was posted a couple of weeks ago.

And now its back but its 2 years older and $300 more!!

Not to mention I find it a bit scary to buy an RX from someone who says it has a 4-cyl.

Here's someone who has two RX3s.
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/car/202039409.html
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/car/202040248.html
yet can't seem to say anything about either one. Oh, except they are "mint." Hahahaaa.

andre1969

is there really anything to recommend about this style of 626? I always liked the little hardtop coupes that the Japanese were still putting out by that time. Cars like this, the Plymouth Saporro/Dodge Challenger, Datsun 200SX, and the Corolla hardtop coupe. I like the wraparound style of the rear window on the 626.

qbrozen

I found this babied and adult-owned gem.

Oh, and he's even so confident in the price of his busted car that he raised the price!!

This doesn't seem like a bad buy.

lilengineerboy

1978 Porshe 924 4speed STICK 4 cylinder
I can't think of a whole lot going for this car, not $3400 worth anyway. I don't even know what would be realistic.

lemmer

With a bad engine, it would make a nice parts car or V8 recipient.

fintail

Another one not seen in decent shape much anymore

fintail

Just an anecdote about those 626 HTs...back around when I was in kindergarten (I was already obsessing about cars), a younger woman a few doors down from me had a yellow Fox-Mustang with T-tops. This would have been around 1982, so it wouldn't have been very old. I remember I thought this car was extremely cool, and whenever she had it out with the tops off I would stop by and look at it. She always said she'd give me and my friend a ride in it, which was a cool thought. Anyway, one day not long after all that, the Mustang was gone and in its place was a new beige metallic 626 HT, I am pretty sure I remember it being badged "Luxus" as well. It didn't impress me like the (at the time) cool and sporty Mustang. My memory fails me as to whether or not I got a ride in it, but I don't think so.

Mr_Shiftright

Geez...Porsche 924 with a bad engine...it's just a parts car...$600....

gsemike

The Mazda 3 - glad he's in a rush to go back to college. Based on his eloquent prose, I bet that he's an English major.

Pontiac 6000 - What's with the steering wheel? I've seen keyboards with fewer buttons.

fintail

Buttons in the 80s = high tech. The lovely Becker radio in my 126 must have had 20 buttons.

Maybe a driver

Uncommon survivor

Future drag car or parts car or something

kapbot

A bit Much,maybe?
Extra zero?
Don't know about the price, but it looks good.
No clue if it's worth it.
Honesty??
Nice Couqar!
Don't know about these.

At one point in time, I thought about buying a "project car" and keeping my current ride. After reading literally every single post on this thread, and others, I have come to the conclusion that the only real project cars are few and far apart. It seems like this board has become "Let's make fun of other people for asking too much for their ride!!"
Not to say I'm perfect, of course.

andre1969

Normally I can't stand those oversized blingy wheels with their rubber-band tires, and I don't normally like white cars, because every single car my stepdad ever had was white, and I've also had a white Dart for 14+ years now. But somehow I like that '74 Sedan DeVille. I think the tinted windows look contrasting with the white. And Cadillac interiors sometimes looked pimpy in leather, but that one actually looks kinda tasteful.

I think I'd still put normal wheels back on it, but otherwise I like it.

Also, I think the main reason that project cars on this board get ragged on is because too many of them are either pimped and modded to the very precipice of insanity, while others get dragged from the woods, barn, or junkyard and get asking prices slapped on them equivalent to what a fully-restored equivalent would be. Truth be told, I think any project car is going to be a labor of love, and not profit. Even if you can do most of the work yourself, it ain't cheap to restore a car.

au1994

I thought the STE's were sharp cars back in the day. Much better than any other sedan the General was putting out at the time. Didn't they make an AWD model with a bigger motor?

au1994

Fury looks great, but I doubt its worth much, i.e. no hemi.

andre1969

I thought they were pretty sharp looking back in the day, too, although I didn't like the STE model with its "6-headlight" look! I hated the interiors, though. As I recall, most of GM's FWD A-bodies had dashboards that had too much plastic, too many separate pieces, and a slapped-together look in general. I think the 6000's dash was the worst of them, going for that Battlestar Galactica/Buck Rogers spacecraft look. The Celebrity was pretty bad too though, and I don't remember the Century's dash being particularly tasteful. I kinda liked the Cutlass Ciera, though. I think it was pretty good looking, both inside and out. But I don't want one for a project car. Well, maybe one of the coupes with the slicker roofline and the 3.8 V-6. If someone gave me one for free.

andre1969

that had that same Barracuda-ish roofline as that Fury. I really didn't care for the roof on my Newport, but I think it looks pretty sharp on the Fury. It would be an awesome car with a 440! For some reason that wasn't a good year for the 383 though. At least, I remember some old Consumer Reports tests that would put a Fury 318 at 0-60 in around 12 seconds, while a Newport with the 383 was around the same. The Newport was a few hundred pounds heavier though, so that might've been part of it.

jlflemmons

For several years we had an '87 Ciera Brogham with the 3.8L SFI engine. Grey, 4dr, bench seats, real grandma looking car. The only give away was the full gauge set. Don't know who spec'd the car as we bought it while it was on the truck inbound, but that little sedan was a hoot. In '87 the Firebird/Camaro twins had gotten fat and slow. The Ciera could drop them like a sack of potato's coming off the line. Friends were shocked to learn that it could light up the 70 series Michelins! The really cool part was being able to cruise the interstate at 75mph with the a/c on and consistently get over 30mpg. For it's size, those cars were not very heavy, had a good cd, and the engine was sized perfectly for economy and performance.

Handled like a pig in a wallow, though ...

lilengineerboy

As much as its easy to bash on GM in the 80s, you also have to look at what else was out there. Even BMW was putting the ETA motor in the 3 and 5 series, making them not so swift. Even Mercedes was running the 190d/e which were more costly and not so powerful. The Accord was a lot smaller, j-car sized. The Toyota Cressida had a goofy dash at the time as well, and I am pretty sure the Nissan Maxima did too.
Actually, I take that back. The Taurus came out in '86 and was very marketable with the 3L V6, and then in '89 the SHO version came out as a sports sedan. I think that was a benchmark for a while in sport sedans.
When I was in college in the 90s my friend's father kept buying her 80s STEs as she kept wrecking them or blowing them up.

Mr_Shiftright

Ferrari Modena -- $135K is high retail

'65 Mustang coupe -- pile of junk, value ZERO. Haul it away.

au1994

My mom had almost the exact same car, hers was silver with the grey top. Same gauge's though. And you are correct, that thing would hustle off the line with the 3.8.

andre1969

had (still might have, she moved away years ago) a 1986 or 1987 Cutlass Ciera with the 3.8. It was a light silver with blackout trim, no vinyl top, and had the badges with the little European flags on them. I think they called it the International Series? Anyway, it wasn't a bad looking car. Probably about the peak of the A-body, although by that time it was obsolete compared to a Taurus/Sable. Probably more reliable, though!

qbrozen

A diesel benz for less than $1k!!

qbrozen

This may have peaked my interest ... if it wasn't an automatic.

kapbot

Ferrari Modena -- $135K is high retail
Wow! Buy a car or buy a house?? Looks pretty damn cool, though.

65 Mustang coupe -- pile of junk, value ZERO. Haul it away.
Not sure if you were referring to my post, but that is the epitome of my dillema concerning "project cars". Wouldn't $600 buy a driver of better quality?

If I bought the '74 Caddy, those wheels would disappear very quickly. Otherwise, not a car that pushes my buttons, but some un-defineable "something" likes it.

qbrozen

Talk about the odd survivor. I think this would make a hilarious sleeper/dragcar.

lilengineerboy

Not so fast, poor visibility, not so powerful. I know you like the notchback but the hatchback with the V6 and a stick would be more fun. I think that model also has the digital dash and voice prompts (fasten your seat belt, door ajar, passenger could lose some weight, etc)

andre1969

I think this would make a hilarious sleeper/dragcar.

Back in the late 80's, when Buick was on a turbo kick, they put a hopped-up 231 turbo in the Electra Estate Wagon, and ended up with a car that did 0-60 in about five seconds. Alas, it was a one-off and never saw production.

Mr_Shiftright

Shoot I'd buy that Benz TD for $975 if it wasn't the typical clapped out, worn out, oil burning, neglected, dangerous, smelly, 50% non-functional 300D one usually finds in this price range.