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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,742
    its written right there in the comments section of the auction.

    Other than that ... its tough to tell because the pics are low quality, but it kinda looks to me like the front and rear doors on the drivers side don't quite line up with each other.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,414
    Oh.. If I was buying the car, I'd read the whole thing. With the 2.5 engine and those wheels, that about as undesirable as a manual 5 can get. Also, I'm told that I'm supposed to hate iDrive so I'd rather get a last gen 535 for similar money.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Ah, I wish I could attribute it to my super powers, but they give the VIN and so CARFAX lists the accident....as "moderate damage" to "multiple areas".

    Translation: Didn't total 'er, but smacked 'er real good....

    Not that CAFAX catches every accident BTW--they miss a lot of bad accidents for some reason. I can show you clean CARFAX for a half dozen cars that I KNOW were competely smashed up.

    Caveat emptor.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,742
    I'm told that I'm supposed to hate iDrive

    LOL!

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    One doesn't have to be told--it comes naturally.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,117
    I didn't comment on iDrive for a while, even with every review trashing it, until I took a drive in a client's 7 - he spent the entire half hour complaining about it. I know some fraction of people enjoy learning this stuff, but how it fits in with being the "Ultimate Driver's Whatever" is beyond me.
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    2003 XK 8 convertible
    Beautiful, Low Mileage - $32500
    gorgeous car in Excellent condition, only 20,600 miles.

    No accidents or body work, has always been garaged.
    Apollo Wheels F8 R9x19
    *APCO 96 month(til Oct 12, 2011 or)/ 100k mile warranty good at any National Jaguar dealership.

    *30,000 mile free service *40,000 mile free service *

    According to Edmunds, a 2007 XK-8 convertible, without options has a TMV of $91,700.

    Since this guy gave the VIN I went to the Texas Standard Presumtive Value used for sales tax calculation) and found out that the car is only worth $28.8K

    31% of what it cost 4 years ago! Ouch! It's dropped a new Honda Civic in value every year!

    Are the new Jaguars really that bad? This looks like a pretty good buy to me.... :confuse:
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,742
    Don't confuse the new '07 with any year prior. COMPLETELY different animal in all regards.

    That link you provided doesn't work for me. What is it? How does a government site know what a car is worth?

    I'm with you. I think its a heckuva buy. 100k mile warranty? heck, that's alot of car for the price of a generic family sedan.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    Try the link again - think that I've fixed it. if not, here it is in cut n' paste format

    http://www.dot.state.tx.us/services/vehicle_titles_and_registration/std_presumpt- ive_value.htm

    The Standard Presumptive Value is determined by a national vehicle valuation guide that calculates prices based on Texas sales data. The sales tax you owe is based on that amount – even if you paid less for the vehicle. If you paid more for your vehicle than the SPV amount, you owe sales tax on the vehicle’s actual purchase price.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I don't think it's even worth that much...a good price would be about $27,000. Along with your warranty, you can have the dealer buy you a coffee cup with your name on it for the mechanic's lounge.

    I found the XK8 to be an amazingly uninteresting car to drive...pleasant, yes and it's decent looking...but I dunno...somehow when you drive one, it's not envy you see in other people's eyes, or desire....more like "gee, pal, sorry about your troubles".

    Whether all that is real or perception, I don't really know, but it's out there...as you can certainly see from the market values.... SOMETHING is telling dealers and private parties to get out the ten foot poles.

    I have a friend who is a BIG used car operator...and he won't even have one on his lot....wholesales 'em....whoosh!
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    The rustbucket or the Tiger for $12,900?
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    Can you say:

    Upside down for LIFE, boys and girls?

    Life:
    2005 Kia Rio 46K miles "my payments are $191 everytime i get paid"

    Reality:
    2007 Kia Rio NEW! - $8900 :cry:

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,445
    Somehow, I've always kinda liked these

    It's the tiny engine, but I suppose that can be helped easily enough.

    Reminds me of the 63 Futura Sprint I wanted to get for my first car, that we couldn't convince the old owner to sell, he was trying to give it to his son, but his son wanted nothing to do with it...he passed away shortly after, and the car vanished, likely picked up for pennies by some shady character connected to a probate lawyer or something.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,117
    I guess that's a problem with this one - hard to spend $7500 on a (possibly) original car, then put in a V8/new brakes/new rears axle etc to get it usable in today's traffic. I had a Mustang with the 170 and a 4 sp, and it was slow - hate to think about what an AT would do to it.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,742
    its 46k miles (i think you got a typo there in yer post)

    one really important thing missing from her ad. How many payments??!

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    You're right - I'd added and extra 100k to the milage....so I fixed that..

    Still not much better a deal.

    As for how long the payments last? Good question, but I think the answer is pretty long or she wouldn't be trying to dump it. - If it was just 10 paychecks or something, I'd try to hang in there.... wouldn't you?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,742
    true.

    Then again, she had to go to a BHPH lot for a reason. ;o

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    My sister had one of these little Falcons back aroun '74. Not a bad little cruiser, but you better say your prayers before heading up an entrance ramp. That 2spd with the 170 wasn't going to win any titles for acceleration.

    The $191 Kia Rio is suspicious. The phone numbers come back to a foreign name not even close to "Christie Buskirk" and there is no Christie Buskirk in the Austin area. Could be a UT student that did something stupid, I guess ...
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Sunbeam Tiger: Seller is delirious....first of all it's a Series I Tiger, worth less than a Series II; second of all it needs everything apparently. He's overpriced by at least 100% on that one IMO.

    Ford Falcon: Nice little car but it is a 6 and there is apparently some rust. $5,000 would seem like more than enough for this car...if he thinks $5K is a "lowball" he and wifey are going to be looking at that car for some time to come I fear.

    Maserati TC: At least I give the seller credit for pricing it correctly. The "clang" of hearing "classic" and Maserati TC by Chrysler in the same sentence is too much for my sensitive nature. Tough car to unload on anybody. Good luck.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,117
    The biturbo - A/C doesn't work, transmission "makes some noise" but just needs new fluid ;) , radio, antenna DOA; top doesn't fold correctly; and, best of all, it's a Biturbo... where do I sign up?
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    The biturbo - A/C doesn't work, transmission "makes some noise" but just needs new fluid , radio, antenna DOA; top doesn't fold correctly; and, best of all, it's a Biturbo... where do I sign up?

    "Beat me, beat me!", cried the Masochist.

    " Buy this Maserati Biturbo", said the Sadist
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,445
    Maybe nice to drive until you use it up, I think a 420 is more reasonable to run than a 560 anyway

    126s still push my buttons. I saw a really nice 300SE in an odd color today, a dark slate grey.
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    Am I one of the craigslist dreamers?? Be honest, lol.

    Sebring

    I would rather unload the car sooner than later, however, I don't want to give it away. It really is a nice car, runs great, but ya gotta look past the um, how shall I put it, pre-dented condition, lol. So, your opinions please, lol. :sick:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Looks like a lot of damage (money-wise I mean) and on top of it you have an engine light and airbag light.

    Yeah, I think you are reaching for the stars here...I would say about $2,500 if you get all the lights turned off, and $2,000 if you don't. You've got an easy $2,000 damage there, if not more.
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    I'm sorry, Jolie, but the line about "Ice Cold AC" just cracked me up. My sister just kicked off the Iditarod up there, and dang, woman, EVERTHING is ICE COLD! ;)
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    Replace the O2 sensor and reset the airbag light and you will have better luck. Knowing how folks think about cars up there would lead me to believe that the warning lights would hurt you more than the dents. I was up there this summer and it seems most of the cars did have dents! Something about moose and ice, probably.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,696
    I am in agreement. Address the lights and ask 3,000 - you will end up getting closer to 2500. If you ask 2500, people will be trying to get it for 2000..... ;)

    It is easy to say "it is an oxygen sensor," but then someone spends $100 on a sensor, puts it in, and the light just comes back. Oops.... Those darn CELs can be tricky sometimes. :sick:
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    Thanks guys. That's what I was afraid of. I truely do not want to spend more money on this car. Its a sore subject around here.

    The CEL really is an O2 sensor, I had the code read a while back. Thing is the original owner had at least 6-7 sensors put in back when it was under warranty and she said the light always came back on. Its very intermittent, only comes on when the gas tank gets low usually. I'm hesitant to spend the $150 on having an O2 sensor put in only to have the blasted light come right back on.

    The airbag light, yeah I need to deal with that, but again, I don't want to. The car isn't drivable on these roads with those darn tires, it was all we could do to get it home after we repoed it from the guy that was buying it. Squirrely son of a gun!!! Hubby was not a happy person about driving it, came way too close to wrecking. He wants it gone, tired of looking at it. Me, I'm on the fence, lol, I kinda like the car and can drive it during the summer the way it is.

    So, what do I do? Drop the price to stupid low and kick it loose? Or, wait until May, drop some $$$ into it and hold out for $3k with the intention of keeping it if I can't get it.

    The damage is fairly extensive, if the car had insurance at the time of the wreck it would have been a total loss. However, the damage does not affect the way the car runs or drives, so there's no point in addressing it.

    Oh, one more thing, since I sold the car and had to take it back I now own it for zip. I had $1000 into it originally after all the repairs I've done, got that as down payment a while back. So, in light of that, what would you guys do with it?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I think, as is, the car is pretty sale-proof. Just blow it out for whatever. Sometimes you just get beat up on a thing and you need to be done with it. That air bag light is really saying RUN AWAY RUN AWAY. The only person who's going to buy it is someone who desperately needs a cheap car to get to work and who has little money and maybe can fix it up himself (or not).
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    I think, as is, the car is pretty sale-proof. Just blow it out for whatever. Sometimes you just get beat up on a thing and you need to be done with it. That air bag light is really saying RUN AWAY RUN AWAY. The only person who's going to buy it is someone who desperately needs a cheap car to get to work and who has little money and maybe can fix it up himself (or not).

    Yeah, I think you're right. I'll see what I can do to get the airbag light turned off at least. My mechanic was saying his daughter wants to see the horses, maybe I can talk him into bringing his code scanner thingy out and resetting it. Hopefully he can do it and I don't have to take it to the dealer, ugh. The airbags have been replaced, but the car doesn't know that, lol.

    Funny thing is its NOT a bad car at all, it starts when asked (more than I can say for my 2006 Ram, grrr) and always goes. Part of me wants to keep it around for summertime driving, but hubby doesn't want to see it anymore.

    I paid $650 for it almost a year ago, put another $350 in cash into it. Plus I traded a set of wheels/tires off a truck I traded in (didn't need them, they were damaged anyway) for the rest of the stuff I needed including the airbags. It was a good deal for us and it really is a good car, just needs a couple things.

    Oh heck, I think I'm just going to keep it, lol. Fix it up a bit, buy Blizzaks for it next winter and drive it. See what you guys did?? You made me talk myself into keeping it, lol. I have a teenager who will get his permit next year, maybe I should keep it for him to learn to drive on. Think that's a better plan guys??
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    I have a teenager who will get his permit next year, maybe I should keep it for him to learn to drive on. Think that's a better plan guys??

    only if the air bags really work! :shades:
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    only if the air bags really work!

    Oh they will when I get the airbag light reset. It *might* need an airbag module, which is no biggie, just get it out of the same car the airbags came from. Its really easy to replace, 2 screws and pull the old one out, put the new one in. Mitsubishi (manufacturer of this car) puts the module in the center console. My little brother works for a salvage yard, I've learned a lot about airbags and fixing them. Not to mention its easy to get parts for the car.

    I believe the car is going to stay. I think I'll have to drop maybe $1000 into it including tires, a pass side headlight, O2 sensor, and the airbag light to get it right again. Only 57k on it, its got lots of life left in it.

    Then again, the guy that was buying it might magically come up with the other $1500 he owes me and come get it back again..........yeah right! :sick:
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,742
    well, here's the thing ... you paid about $1k, right? You got $1500 from one guy already on it, right?

    So get it out of there for $1500. I think that's about all its worth. You'll still make a good buck, and everybody will be happy.

    CEL coming on with low gas tank tells me it may just need a new gas cap. Try it out. Will only cost you maybe $15. Then unhook the battery for about a half hour, hook it back up, and see if the light stays out. If it does, GREAT! If not, only $15 down the drain.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    I agree -- sell it now for whatever you can get. $3000 is too much to ask.

    Who knows what's causing the check engine light to come on? Even if the code indicates an oxygen sensor, there could be something else causing the oxygen sensor to fail.

    This is a 10-year-old Chrysler with body damage and 2 critical warning lights on. No sense in chasing good money after bad. (You could of course replace the gas cap as suggested.)
  • toomanyfumestoomanyfumes Member Posts: 1,019
    5 grand for a 20 year old Chevy with a worn motor? Well, it does have special instrumentation and deluxe luggage compartment trim. ;)
    2012 Mustang Premium, 2013 Lincoln MKX Elite, 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,748
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,117
    Yea, seemed high, but I only found 3 anywhere, similar prices, most probably gone by now. Definitely for a Subie nut. (cars cost less new, were nothing to write home about)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Gee, like who cares about an EPA test mule? It's not like it had a racing history or anything...now "test mules" are legendary? I don't think it's worth any more than a regular Superbird, IMO. Leave it to a PR flak to try and put EPA and Muscle car in the same sentence like they fit somehow. Somehow EPA and Muscle Car strike me as enemies.

    Anyway, it's not a 426 'bird. Still.... worth some serious money but not the biggest bucks of a Hemi. I think the dude overpaid for the car big time. Why? Because there's a formidable car in front of him...the Hemi Superbird. His car worth more than that one? I'll believe it when I see it.

    But we'll see.......the wine still flows freely at Barrett Jackson....

    My opinion of value? Maybe $135K-150K when restored.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,748
    LOL! that was a good one! i didn't get it until the last link. just woke up form my siesta, i guess. :)
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,748
    i agree with you. i was just amazed to see a story like this in the paper. there must be a car nut editor on the staff. it is not the first time they have had a pretty big story about that restoration company, so maybe they are a relative. this is connecticut. :confuse:
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    We have a saying in the old car biz: There are Maseratis and Maserodents, and a world of difference between them.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,748
    i did not get the theme of the posts until #4. i knew a biturbo was going to be under bad or ugly. i forgot about the 'tc'. :sick:
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    well, here's the thing ... you paid about $1k, right? You got $1500 from one guy already on it, right?

    I paid $650 and put another $350 into it, so yeah, $1k basically. I got $1k from the guy as down payment, so I'm even in the little beast.

    The CEL has a mind of its own, *usually* it comes on with a low fuel tank, but sometimes it comes on with a full, 1/2, or whatever. Its a funny little car.

    I'm guessing the CEL is a combination of the O2 sensor and the CAT, its kinda stinky after being driven.

    Checked with the dealer today, $60 resets the airbag light. They advised me to take it to Midas for the CAT and they said they could do the O2 sensor.

    Part of me wants to keep it and part of me wants to drop kick it for $1500 and be done with it.

    The Explorer will probably be coming home in a couple days. Its out of its hole, needs an alternator and a front driver's side 4x4 hub. Other than that it looks good, so *fingers crossed* that it passes my brother's inspection. Price is $600 even after the 2 repairs it needs.

    Do we really need FIVE vehicles??? :sick:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I think you'd be lucky to get even $1,500 for it. I'd definitely sent it away while you still have the chance.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,028
    and probably sixteen times the trouble!

    Of this bunch, I wouldn't mind trying to salvage the red one. Might be kinda fun, with the 400 and posi rear. And I kinda like the green one, too...mainly because it's green!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Dump it. Sell it to someone who is hurting for transportation.

    Otherwise, you will be throwing good money after bad.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Hard to accept that the person with the highest bid is the "winner". Why not just go buy one nice car, turn the key and drive home for the same money (or less) than this fleet and 1/10th the trouble?

    It's not like there is a mid-70s Le Mans shortage going on right now.
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