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  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    This is kind of cool

    If it as straight as he says it is then for the money I don't think you could do wrong. What engine would this have?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Yeah, you'd have to put the car on a lift to see what's up.

    But if she's rock solid underneath, could be worth up to $4K I think, but no more. Being a 4-door, it's worth 1/2 of a coupe.

    The engine, if stock, is the BEST flathead Ford ever made and the one everybody wants. I'd put a lock on that engine (not kidding either).
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Gonna keep an eye on this one and see where it goes. I don't have the spare cash to buy it now but I know a couple of people who might be interested. I figured since it was a sedan it would not be worth much but I have a soft spot for the factory suicide doors.

    Edit:

    I found a convertiable for Graphic Guy... ;)

    Dude it is well within your budget I would buy it.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    It's more attractive than most 4 doors I'll say that for it. Certainly a car worth saving if you can get into it right.

    '65 Bonnie: marginal at best. Let's say a stunning one is worth $25,000, and here we have a car that needs everything....it would be about break even if someone just gave it to you.

    Let's figure (for a street resto, not show)

    bodywork (hard to say how much rust, but figure media blasting, 10 hours of welding, 40 hours finishing, so maybe $5,000

    Paint: We'll do a cheapo here at $3,500

    Upholstery: We'll try to recon the seats and leave 'em, just do carpets and door panels and new top, so figure $2,000

    Engine & Trans: Let's say we get lucky for $4,000 total, includes driveshaft and cleaning up the diff.

    Frame: Crawl under and paint and undercoat, figure $1,000

    Tires and wheels, all new/painted $750

    Overhaul brake system: $500

    New Exhaust system (keep manifolds) $750

    Rebuilt radiator, alternator, power steering, master cylinder $1,000

    Rechrome: $1,000

    Okay we're at $20,000, if we're lucky. If we're not lucky, add $25% all around.

    So yeah, it's a wash, just like I thought.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,099
    looks like it was an upscale one, too...that's leather on those seat inserts! I wonder what year they finally phased leather out on the Bonnevilles? It seems like it was pretty common earlier in the 60's, and I have seen '65's with it, but I don't think I've ever seen a '67 with it. Can't recall a '66 with it, either.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,099
    according to my old car book, if it's stock it would have a 255.4 V-8. That engine came out for 1949, and looks like it was a stroke of the 239.4 (same 3.19 bore) which dates back to the introductory 1939 Merc. In 1950 it had 110 hp. In 1951 it went up a bit to 112, and then 125 hp for 1952-53.

    For 1954, Mercury got a 256 V-8, most likely totally different, as it's a whole different bore & stroke. It had 161 hp. I'm guessing that's when they went from flathead to OHV?
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    Way too much work left to be done for what he's asking

    If you spun a bearing, can you really say that you won?

    Both of these look pretty good for 3 grand each

    Dump your crappy firebird day What does he mean 'has brand new exhaust in car not installed and many others good tires'?

    Dump your crappy Firebird day part 2

    Scary color but otherwise pretty good

    I guess that this could be worth it for the parts

    Sure that's why it doesn't shift out of first Do you think that someone is tired of their moneypit?

    Looks like a nice cruiser

    You don't see this everyday. Is it a supercar and what's it worth?

    Somebody's completed project Looks like a beautiful car

    I know that you love the car, but a head gasket and piston is a big deal Who wants to bet if it needs a head too?
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,147
    Shelby - "needs a piston"??? And he thinks the gasket it the big thing? Don't worry, blown engines are no big deal! :sick:
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    All I can say about that Pantera is that I went up against one back in '77 and he pulled away so fast from 80mph that I would have sworn he was fired out of a cannon. Those things are scary fast with a strong v8 and not a lot of weight.

    The one I saw leaving me in the dust was silver. Vicious sounding exhaust note, too.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Panteras can be fun...don't know about them being a "supercar" but they are reasonably quick and of course easy to maintain.

    However, you really need to be sure you buy one that has all the "upgrades"---these are retrofitted improvements that are very important.

    Asking price is market correct.

    Jeep CJ -- I dunno, might be worth it if we could see what the body looks like. Frame and driveline looks totally re-done.

    Miata--looks like a good deal but with that color how could I tell my Dad I had a gender change?

    Bronco -- bring the crusher around James.....
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    I decided it would be foolish to drop $10k right now, so i'm back to considering cars within budget.

    ok... so that's a no on that allante.

    on the audi... is the only complaint being dull? Cause this IS for the wife, after all. And could it be more dull than a Sebring? If you had a choice between a $4k sebring and $5k audi cabriolet ... let's say both with ~90k miles ... which would you choose? any trouble spots in the audi to be careful of?

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    spotted this one last night. his claimed taking price is below galves price, so its either a good deal or a suspicious deal. i gotta think about taking the drive for this one. what do y'all think?

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,147
    $5900 for that BMW seems way cheap (bidding ends at $7000+ for those on EBay), wonder what's up? Looks good otherwise. As for Audis, I've heard they're high maintenance (example - front ball joints a maintenance item, ~30k life, not cheap, read more here Audi $$).
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    thanks for the tip, but i think the A4 and this car are different, at least in that respect. I just looked it up and i can get the ball joint as a separate item from the control arm. $78.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    BMW

    VIN # is incorrect, price is about $3K too low for average retail, seller has zero feedback and says all "questions to seller" go into his trash box. Nice. How could this sale not go well?

    AUDI: High maintenance, very high repair costs. Audis break all the time and not that many people work on them. I'd say old Audis are okay only if you buy them really really dirt cheap so that you have a $2,000 cushion on retail and can bail out if they prove troublesome. I'd consider an exceptional example with service records and a CARFAX and a low price.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    thanks for the info.

    that bimmer would ONLY be an in-person deal, of course.

    $7500 would be a fair price on an average one, so yeah, its suspicious. I mean, he could drive it to a dealer and get at least that much, so either he never checked or something is wrong.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    assuming I have an unlimited budget for fuel.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,714
    can't wait to see you cruising up the Merrick in that baby! Even H1s will quiver in fear, although you will get passed by a kid on a moped.

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  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    That must really stand out from all the 3 series convertibles in the Hamptons
  • grahampaigegrahampaige Member Posts: 51
    Someone is trying to get his restoration costs back

    Price A little over the top.....
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    A rather narrow market wouldn't you say. Seems to me that you'd comp it against a Chevy Canopy Express or Ford Depot Hack, so $58K sounds really pricey for a.....truck.....that nobody's heard of.

    Try 25K and be grateful to get it.
  • grahampaigegrahampaige Member Posts: 51
    I recon even 25K would be top dollar....
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    The Mustang Mach 1 and the Pantera are from the same buyer. He goes way over the top with his apostrophes, and it makes it painful to read. :mad:

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    so that OCC benz is up over $17k and ends today. Nowhere near the $30k buy it price, but more than market value. Probably winds up over $20k.

    here's a pretty cheap vert.If I had any idea how to cheaply replace this interior ....

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Makes me wonder how hard it would be to swap in the slightly more "modern" 4.6 liter Rover V8 into that 101 Fire Control.

    That 101 should have the 3.5 liter version of the little Buick/Rover V8 and it probably makes 125 or so hp and 200 or so ft-lbs torque.

    The "modern" fuel injected 4.6 liter Rover V8 makes 222 hp and 300 ft-lbs. I have seen people swap these motors in to various series vehicles so how much harder could it be to put them in a 101.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,147
    VW liked those oddball interiors. This one (2.0l/auto) would be slow, I often wondered why they didn't put their better engines in these.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    i'm surprised i didn't spot it earlier. i'm a sicko AMC fan, what can I say?

    Rambler vert

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    VW liked those oddball interiors. This one (2.0l/auto) would be slow, I often wondered why they didn't put their better engines in these.

    Probably because most buyers of these were college girls who didn't care about speed, but rathr haul their friends around town.

    My sister who's 16 and getting her license wants a Cabrio really bad.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,147
    You're right, I just wish they had tried a convertible GTI - kind of like BMW has done with the M3. I wonder about the wisdom of VW chasing the 'chick car' market like they have.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    You're right, I just wish they had tried a convertible GTI - kind of like BMW has done with the M3. I wonder about the wisdom of VW chasing the 'chick car' market like they have.

    Every VW after the very early 90s (maybe mid-80s) uses Central Electric II, combined with the fact that the tubs are all pretty similar, engine swaps are pretty easy. There are A LOT of VR6 cabrios running around. They are like the Hondas of Germany where its very easy to update and backdate models and features.

    By the way, at UCSB VW Rabbit convertibles and future iterations were referred to as "B(few_letters_missing)h Baskets", due to the "handle" type roll bar and the typical occupants.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,607
    ROFL on the baskets...I will have to steal that one
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Every girl from about 14-28 wants a VW Cabrio...

    Even my wife and prior to that my HS/first part of college GF wanted VW Cabrios and they are about as un-girly as you get.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    I only knew one person with a Cabrio back in the day, and that was a 20-something year old guy in my brother's band. He also had a Corrado, which I thought was one of the coolest VWs I'd ever seen (and probably in the top 5 of all new vehicles at that time in my mind).

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    so that auction with the "$5900" 328 ended ... at $6100 and "reserve not met" ... ??? I emailed the owner to find out what the deal was before the auction ended, but never got a reply. surprise surprise.

    The OCC benz is up over $19k and just over an hour left.

    The Cabrio ended at $3800.

    The '88 Allante is at $7100 with 12 hours to go.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    This doesn't look bad.

    optioned the way I want. Miles are OK. Looks clean. $3500 seems to be a fair deal on it. Its at $3k now with a day and a half left, though, which usually isn't a good sign. Maybe I'll convince the wife to go check it out tonight and try to buy it outright.

    Now that I look at his website, he's got a whole bunch of Sebrings.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
    10/06/1997 74 New Jersey
    Motor Vehicle Dept.
    Bridgeton, NJ Title issued or updated

    First owner reported
    10/15/1997 New Jersey
    Motor Vehicle Dept.
    Bridgeton, NJ Registered as
    personal vehicle

    01/15/2002 40,000 Inspection Co.
    New Jersey Vehicle Inspected

    02/18/2002 42,510 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
    Lubed oil and filter changed
    Electrical system serviced

    06/11/2004 DaimlerChrysler Corporation Manufacturer Safety recall issued
    #C45 FLOOR SHIFTER IGNITION/PARK INTERLOCK
    Click here for a copy of the owner letter for this Recall or call 1- 800-853-1403 if you have any questions or need additional information on this recall.

    Owner Two Vehicle History
    Purchased: 2005
    Where: New Jersey
    Est. miles/year: ---
    Est. length owned: 9/20/05 - 4/16/07
    (1 yr. 6 mo.)


    Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
    09/20/2005 91,478 New Jersey
    Motor Vehicle Dept.
    Pitman, NJ
    Title #BR20052630214 Title issued or updated

    New owner reported
    12/01/2005 New Jersey
    Motor Vehicle Dept.
    Maple Shade, NJ
    Title #HH20053350108

    Title issued or updated
    03/19/2007 91,623 Service Plan Co.
    Oaklyn, NJ Service contract issued

    Owner Three Vehicle History
    Purchased: 2007
    Where: New Jersey
    Est. miles/year: ---
    Est. length owned: 4/16/07 - present
    (1 month)


    Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
    04/16/2007 New Jersey
    Motor Vehicle Dept.
    Oaklyn, NJ
    Title #DE20071060136 Title issued or updated
    New owner reported
    Loan or lien reported
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    is the sitting around for almost about 18 months with few miles the odd part here?

    ya think there should be concern?

    is it possible to disconnect the speedo and drive around in these?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    That is odd, also the lien is odd on such an inexpensive car. I wonder if it's a repo that's been sitting or a lien sale car?

    On the plus side, it's not (apparently) a wreck, although CARFAX can miss wrecks quite easily....

    I doubt anyone would risk speedo tampering...this is a felony offense....for a Sebring? Doesn't make sense.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    well, the lien is on the newest owner ... i think?? so wouldn't that be the dealer? don't dealers always work on borrowed money?

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  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Yes but we don't have liens on the car. They just floorplan everything so liens don't exsist in the traditonal sense.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    hmmm... so that should be an interesting question for the dealer.

    There are 14 on his website. That ebay one looks good (if the title issue checks out), and I think these 2 would be my next choices:

    bad color, but it should be cheap.

    Good color. Too bad it has leather. It will need cheapo seat covers in about 6 months.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,147
    Hard to tell from the pictures - how common are fogged headlights on these, and how hard/$$ is it to fix?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    REAL easy with a 15-month-old boy and a hammer in his hand. ;b

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,607
    "Appears Similar to Vintage Duesenberg" - uuuh yeah sure

    "will be sick when finished" - I think it looks sick now...
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I can barely tell them apart!

    Okay, here's your quiz. Which one is the Zimmer and which is the vintage Duesenberg?

    image

    AND

    image
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,147
    Z - at least "most of the hard work has been already done for you" that makes me feel so much better!
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    Oh! I know I know!

    The guy in the 2-tone purple sweater wouldn't be trying to keep his kid from barfing all over the Zimmer.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    That white Dusenberg is really something. Look at the updated and aerodynamic side windows, and those fancy spare tire covers. That's why the cars cost so much. Look at the engineering put into them. :P :P

    I can't tell them apart. :confuse:

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Z - at least "most of the hard work has been already done for you"

    huh? It's just an empty shell. I guess putting in a drivetrian is as simple as assembling the Snap-On model kits you can buy at Toys-R-Us. :confuse:

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,147
    And just as easy as getting the body reassembled, aligned, painted, finding all the missing/lost/broken parts, etc. etc. etc...
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