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I really didn't care for my Newport, but then it just had a 383-2bbl and typical 2.76:1 gearing. Heck, I think it still had bias ply tires on it! I'm sure if it had a stronger engine and better tires, I would've liked it better.
Looks like the 190D sold.
These old Max's seem to really last This one looks good given the mileage and price
Here is another high mileage Max that looks good I don't think that I'd buy anything with 200k for that much money though
Never be tailgated again
This probably isn't worth 12,000 and isn't worht close to what any decent 69 Mach 1 is worth How is that an Indy pace car?
70s survivor You never see these around here. Unfortunately, it's such a sad little thing I can't see anyone caring
Another one with an even more optimistic price
It's unusual to see one of this in such unmolested condition anymore 5.0 and 5 speed
86 Jeep -- I guess the plow makes it worth it, I guess. Kinda.
90 Maxima --- good deal looks like
86 Corvette ---Yeah I'm SURE he'd like to trade for a '69 Mach 1 Mustang, since it's worth about 3X what his car is worth. Dream on. Maybe a Mach 1 in a couple of boxes....
'76 mustang II for $8,500 ------ can you say "sale-proof"? Try half that.
84 Camaro --- shoddily-built car. America at its worst.
Those Mustang IIs are from the same seller. Not many others are OCD over those.
Nontheless, those cars still seem popular with the motorheads around here and that one looks decent with a reasonable price.
Great colors for this car, but priced about double what it must be worth
Words fail me.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/car/640300484.html
-Mathias
This guy and the guy that I posted before with the 440 car should get together
I've never heard of these. What's the deal?
This looks to be in good shape I hate ads without prices
The most loved 94 Caravan on Earth
Now this is a beauty I have no idea on the price
Nic Mustang with apparently mismatched wheels
Another Mustang That 'underside needs work' sounds pretty bad
Is this one worth saving?
Another one with a long way to go It looks older than 1975
http://southbend.craigslist.org/car/640022988.html
This one says only 30k on motor, it looks more like 300k
http://southbend.craigslist.org/car/640662031.html
Old Ford
http://southbend.craigslist.org/car/640710429.html
I could see someone saving the bloated Mach I if it isn't rusty.
"Putter" being the main word - that 170 with a 3 on the tree (not an a/t, right?) would best stay on the side roads.
I imagine 0-60 would come up in about 20 seconds with something like that. I recall reading an old road test of a similar vintage Comet, but with the smaller 144 CID and an automatic, and I think it took nearly 30 seconds to get up to 60!
I guess once they started putting 200 CID 6-cyl engines in these cars, they weren't too bad. Or the little 221/260 CID V-8's.
I think the engine in my fintail is only about 130 CID (2.2l) but it moves around just fine. Of course it is FI, so it is at the 1hp/CI output. But the carb cars weren't slow either.
In V-8's, I think the 221 put out about 145 hp, while the 260 was something like 164?
And of course, that was gross hp, so even that 164 hp is probably more like 120-125 in today's net terms.
I guess in American cars though, those Fords were more or less competitive. The Mopar Slant six, for example, put out 101 hp in 170 CID form, and 145 in the more familiar 225. The 170 did later get bumped to 110 and then 115 hp, though, and when it was replaced by the 198, it was up to 125 hp.
I think the Chevy Corvair initially just had a 140 CID pancake six, which put out something like 85 hp, although later versions were pretty potent. And there was that Chevy II inline-4, a 153 CID I believe, which put out like 90 hp. I think the 194.5 6-cyl put out 120.
Oh, and the car he wants to get historic plates for? A 1986 Pontiac T1000. :P
The Benz 6 is a low torque but high revving engine, so once a fintail gets moving, it stays there. The Ford 170 was just the opposite. Great 0-30 and totally out of poop at any revs. Coupled with an automatic, it felt, to my memory, more like driving a vacuum cleaner.
Like the Ford 240/250/300, the Mopar Slant Six was designed with bigger cars in mind, although it was versatile enough to have a smaller 170 CID version for the Valiant/Lancer/Dart. I guess Chrysler should also get props for the Hyper-Pak, a hot 4-bbl setup that boosted the 170 CID from 101 to 145 hp, and the 225 CID from 145 to 197.
How did the Chevy inline-6 from that era compare? I'm thinking in terms of the 194.5 that came out around 1962 I guess, and later 230/250 CID versions that found their way into the Chevelle and the big cars. Wasn't it a pretty good engine?
I'd pay $500 for it if I had a place to put it
I was wondering about that - are those AMG wheels, or some cheap ones? Don't look quite right.
i was trying not to drive unless absolutely necessary over the weekend.
one kid is away a school, the other is in rome for the week and my wife went shopping at the grocery store, and another time the mall(no thanks).
the weather was a little iffy, fertilized the dry part of the lawn, then did the same at my moms. rode my bike over there holding onto the spreader with one hand. got a lot of funny looks from the kids in the neighborhood.
then i decided to wash the fusion and the explorer.
ok, now what? the exterior of the explorer was really trashed after the winter. i hope it is over, but i am not putting the snowblower away until may 1st.
did the quick detail spray and wipe on the explorer. ok, i will start waxing it. did the hood and the roof(hate waxing the roof). after a while, i was sick of looking at it. so off to carspace i go and go and go!
so anyways, i think that little falcon might be an automatic. it looks like it has a plastic gear indicator on the steering column. cute little car.
I also like the way this guy panned over the sales brochure. I always wondered just how long these cars were. Wow...227.7 inches! I think my '79 New Yorkers are 221.3", so that downsizing only took 'em down by 6.4". In contrast, I think the Electra/98 and DeVille lost about 10" or more, and I think the Town Car lost at least a foot!
As is, that '76 New Yorker would probably do 0-60 in about 12 seconds. The 440 V-8 had 205 hp, but tons of torque, but was sort of held back by a loafy 2.45:1 axle. I'd guess torque would be around 330 ft-lb? I imagine fuel economy would be 14-15 at best out on the open road, and in local driving you'd be lucky to break 10 mpg.
The 3.5 V-6 puts out about 250 hp, and around 250 ft-lb of torque. I'm sure the obvious answer here would be to just put in a modern Hemi drivetrain, but I'm trying to think a bit more economical. I'm not sure what axle ratio a 3.5 Charger/300 uses...I want to say a 3.89:1? The more modern 5-speed automatic (I think they're back to a 4-speed for 2008 though) would let the engine wind up more to get that mass moving, while the overdrive would probably put the highway revs to about what the original 2.45 axle would've been with the 440. And I'm sure the modern drivetrain would shed a couple hundred pounds, compared to the 440, although it would still be a heavy car. Still, you load up a Charger or 300 with four good-sized adults, and you end up with about as much total weight as an empty '76 New Yorker.
Anyway, any guesses on what kind of performance and fuel economy such a swap would yield? I think that setup in a Charger is good for 0-60 in about 7.5 seconds, and fuel economy was rated around 19/27, before they started instituting those dumbed-down numbers that they use today.
The guy who runs that place is also extremely optimistic about price, wanting 1500 for it, claiming a mint one is worth 8K. Maybe if it had 1000 original miles on it and was selling to a land yacht enthusiast. If he could get half his asking price, I think he should take it.
These engines are heavy and not so efficient for breathing and fuel charge swirling, combustion and exhausting. But they are cheap and simple to make compared to an overhead valve design. Adjusting the valves sometimes required taking a fender off or dangling yourself upside down under the manifolds. You had to open up little doors to get at the valves.
Also after many years of use it was (and still is) quite common for head bolts to break off in the block on a flathead. Sometimes you could get all the very long headbolts out, but that slab of iron seems welded to the block. One neat trick was to take out the spark plugs, and stuff a piece of rope into each cylinder. Then you cranked up the starter, the rope got compressed by the piston head, and it popped the cylinder head off!
JEEP also made an "F" head, which you might come across now and then in the dusty arcane literature, which had intake valves in the head but exhaust valves in the block. This was thought to be more efficient without necessitating the complexity of OHV.
Overhead valves are almost as old as the flathead idea, and both were produced simultaneously in America until the mid 60s, when AMC and Chrysler finally gave up.
Those wonderful V-12 and V-16 engines from Cadillac and Lincoln and Packard are all flatheads.
Some American manufacturers were very advanced in engine design, like Stutz, which had overhead CAM engines back in the 20s.
Now of course, most engines are ohv and ohc, but Americans still makes the ohv pushrod engine with cam in block, and it works very well in the modern world, evfen though the design goes back 100 years.
Old Harleys were also flatheads, as were those old BMW motorcycles you see in German war movies.
Fifty grand...yeah
So here is a car with a crazy price that is more in tune with the times:
diesel greed taken to new heights
james
Must be our friends at the Green Car Company, they seem to have a few oddball claimed private imports. I wonder where it came from...Mexico?
I could get a nice W211 CDi and a W210 4matic for that money.
Now that Smart Cars are officially being sold in the US starting in the low teens, they still want 25-28K for their private imports, claiming them as "originals".
Interesting how quickly that trend with the stacked headlights died off. Pontiac and Ford dropped them after '67, while Plymouth and Cadillac dropped them a year later.
I kind of like that '68 Galaxie. It's indicative of the kind of cars people actually drove during that time. Too often you see a movie set in the 1950s or '60s and it looks like everybody drove top-of-the-line convertibles and hardtops.
When the car is turned on, the top light is yellow and the bottom light is unlit except at night. I've got to check it out sometime as to see what happens when I put the high beams on. I haven't driven the car much at night and haven't really bothered to check it out when I get home.
Another '79 Newport. This one appears to be a cheaper trim level than the other one. The seats don't seem as thickly padded, and they don't have the little buttons. But I absolutely LOVE the color scheme on this one! That frosty teal with the matching interior probably isn't for everybody, but for some twisted reason it has me drooling!