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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,108
    As amazing as the Veyron is, I have a problem with an engine that traces its roots to the VW VR6 in a million-dollar car.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well you could trace a $60,000 Corvette to a NY taxicab. We must be open-minded about these things. :P
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    I'd guess to the right nutjob in Benelux or England, where the cars seem to have the most interest, it could bring 15K anyway. The car was very clean and original, but not restored. I suspect it had been repainted at some time, but interior and under the hood were orginal.

    The same guy had a pristine 300TD, a late (85) car in black on palomino, it looked and ran like new He sold it several years ago...put $7500 on it and it was gone in a couple days.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    Cheap Packard could be good for the hobbyist.

    Datsun is very rare and cool in its own way, but the paint looks suspect and the price is high.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    dieselmania has definitely lost its luster in California, although the cooking oil scene is still simmering. We use recycled cooking oil in our city's diesel fleet. But then it's a college town so cheap kitchen grease is a major industry. :P

    I saw a pretty clean 300D coupe sell for real cheap around here just a week ago.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    Same here, the dieselheads are back in hiding until gas hits $5 again. I don't see idiots on craigslist wanting $15K for a Volvo diesel or anything like that.anymore. But, it'll come around again.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I mean, DO THE MATH people! Even if I gave you free gas for two years it wouldn't compensate for paying $10,000 for an old worn-out diesel car.

    Now if there were NO GAS WHATSOEVER, then it might make sense. Of course, then fast food restaurants would be charging $5 a gallon for used cooking oil and hordes of zombies who feed on grease will be roaming the streets attacking Mazzola trucks. :P
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    I find modern diesels as seen on the Euro market to be remarkable, and I do find some charm in the agricultural quality of an old MB diesel, but for whatever reason I haven't been lured in. That could always change...

    Speaking of wagons, I found this image today, apparently made by someone with photoshop skills. This looks pretty good IMO:

    image

    Good way to custom a 108/109
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    haha, we're browsing the same pages. I posted up this pic on mystery car pix, before I saw that you also posted it up.

    Funny.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,727
    did you ever post a picture of that car here?
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    I am sure I did, maybe a few years ago. I actually have a pic of my fintail sitting beside it in a dark garage.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    Great minds.

    I think that's a pretty sharp looking car too, good use for a neglected 6.3 or something.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    image

    Cadillac wagons were often made by the same firms that built hearses. As a result, unfortunately, that's what Cadillac wagons often resembled.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,727
    i find that ad very strange.
    to me it says: 'the car for someone who would rather rake leaves and clean the gutters instead of driving the car.'
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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,727
    the block basis for an aston martin v-12 is 2 3.0 v-6 duratecs. :)
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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,108
    Yes, you're right about the Aston Martin V12...I guess I just get picky when prices go above a million...those new Jag V8s may be miles better than the old I6, but they're just missing something. And why do so few modern engines look good?
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,727
    i know what you mean. my duratec 3.0 is missing the 'ton martin' part. :P
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  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I guess I just get picky when prices go above a million

    Yeah, but they'll throw in floor mats for that....
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  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    I find that ad very strange.
    to me it says: 'the car for someone who would rather rake leaves and clean the gutters instead of driving the car.'


    It struck me as odd too. My thought was, "If you can afford a Packard, why are you doing your own yard work?"
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    Has anyone ever decided to sell a car but not really had their heart in it?

    I ran the car on eBay with a somewhat high reserve a month or two ago. I got a huge response but no bids. I did get an offer of $12K after the fact, but I kind of left that in limbo and the guy bought another car. I put an ad on Craigslist about a month ago that gets some responses. A guy called me Saturday and said he would show up with $11,500 cash and buy it if it was as represented. I said I'd think about it, but I wasn't ready to do that deal yet. Maybe I'll regret it eventually.

    If someone offered me $13K or so, I'd jump on it. At less than $11K, I'd keep it around for its good looks and an occasional drive. It is the in between numbers that seem to elicit no real feelings from me.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    He wants you to pay him back for all the extra stuff he put into the car, at 100 cents to the dollar, rather than the garage sale rate for used equipment, which is about 10 cents on the dollar.

    AND he's got 165K on his car. Dreaming indeed. "Hey honey, is the phone broken? It doesn't ring anymore".
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    It's definetely a clean looking Legend. Too bad it's not the 6 speed, then he might find an enthusiast who maybe would pony up over $5k.

    But yeah $10k is steep for a 15 year old miled up Japanese coupe. You can probably find BMW 8 series and MB SECs of that vintage for that price.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    I can easily get a mid 90s SEC or S500 coupe for that money. You could also get a nice enough 560SEC and have enough to maintain it for awhile.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    You could buy a late 90s, low miles, 7-Series BMW V-12 for that money, and a nice one, too.
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    Aren't old V12's more or less a death wish buy in any marque?

    As much as I like my old E36 328i, I think I'd tremble at the thought of a 10 year old V12 BMW?

    Do I have too little faith?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I didn't say it was SMART, only possible! :P

    Oh yeah, buying a V-12 used without warranty is like being thrown into the fiery pits of Hell by Satan's minions, but what the hell...they are fabulous cars to drive and you can always live in it.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,727
    this would be darth vader's transport
    i kind of like it.
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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,727
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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,727
    trying awful hard to sell this car.
    89 mk 7
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I have the perfect solution for him....just cut the price exactly in half and you'll be market correct. Okay, let's go hog wild and add an extra $500 for miles.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,974
    You think they could shampoo the floor mats and clean up the steering wheel if trying to get that much money. Even as a fan of those cars I agree with Mr Shiftright that about 5K is all I'd give.

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  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    "This Lincoln is physically located in the Lenoir, North Carolina area"

    I guess that means its heart is somewhere else. San Francisco? Detroit?

    The big 'ol scrapyard in the sky?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    Dude. Being a Lincoln owner involves a whole 4th dimension, metaphysical kinda thinking. You wouldn't get it.

    ;b

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  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    Yeah, I've always had that simplistic literal-minded lack-of-vision thing.

    It reminds me of the old joke about where

    F. Scott Fitzgerald and Earnest Hemmingway are drinking together and Fitzgerald gets a little thoughtful, deep in his cups. He says to Earnest -

    "You know Earnest, the rich are different from you and me".

    Hemmingway replies:

    "Yeah Scott. They have more money".

    Does the "Z" in MKZ stand for "Zen" or that something else you can't tell me?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    It's good to know the physical location of the car you're interested in. I'm glad the buyer put that in there.
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/1080533552.html
    Land Rover Range Rover 2000

    99 M3 Convertible - Really? I think NOT
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/1080753775.html

    99 Stealth - this I believe
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1080723553.html

    This could be a fun project after $1000 in parts
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1079582955.html

    Well, I'm sure he means $3000
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1078436258.html

    When you can't spell Harley
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/1077704060.html

    2005 Toyota Corolla CE
    Another one I have trouble believing. I think "THE ENGINE IS OF 4 CYLINDERS 1.8 LITERS. " is Nigerian slang for "Scam"
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/ctd/1080811381.html

    Andre mobile (The Dark Side Andre)
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1080564873.html

    1967 Ford Galaxie Way over my $3K budget but a pretty, pretty car
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1080581188.html

    Good car for a High School Kid?
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/1079853067.html

    What's this beauty worth? Way more than $3K, I'm sure but I really like it.

    http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/1076574046.html
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,413
    How do those scams work? Do they try to get you to wire the money? Why put such a ridiculous price? Wouldn't they do better posting a price 75% of avg retail?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    2002 Harley --he can't spell Harley BECAUSE he owns one? ( I know, that was mean :P )

    Dodge Stealth -- money pit for newbies.

    90 Mustang -- someone needs to tell the boy he can't sell it without a title or bill of sale from the legal owner. Doesn't sound TOO bad really, unless the parking pawl broke off inside the transmission when someone tried to steal it by pushing it in park.

    51 Ford Vicky -- well, if it weren't painted baby poop brown it would be worth around $20,000 but as it is----let's just say we hope a blind man bids on it.

    Honda Del Sol -- yes, very good kid's car because 2-seaters are statistically safer for teenagers. It's a girl's car mostly. I don't think a hormone-driven young man would touch it.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Land Rover, M3, and Corolla are scams.

    Stealth - I wouldn't look at it unless it's the R/T.

    00 Crown Vic police car. How can you tell it was written by a 16 year old?

    Has the regular fabric police front seats with leather rear seats(it was a juvenile unit at a local Dallas middleschool so the worst that has been in the back is a middleschooler who skipped class not some dirty convict)

    Umm, that's vinyl not leather in the back seat. And I'm pretty sure that cops have better things to do than to arrest kids playing hookey.

    Its got around 300hp at the wheel

    Riiiiiiiiiight, they were rated at about 235hp. Take drivline friction loss, wear and tear, mileage, and you'd be lucky if it had 150 horses left at the wheel. I don't think he even knows what HP at the wheels is.

    I've seen these supercharged ONLY and push well over 500hp at the wheel.

    Teenager talk. "My Civic has 250HP cause it's got exhaust, short shifter, and air intake" :lemon:

    The car could use a new power steering pump and pulley($75 at AutoZone) and a belt tensioner($30 at AutoZone). If you bought the power steering pump and the tensioner I will have them professionally installed for free!.

    If it's only $100 to get the parts, why wouldn't you just fix it then? Especially if you have access to a free professional mechanic? :confuse:

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  • garv214garv214 Member Posts: 162
    That M3 is a scam. Whenever you have to e-mail someone's personal e-mail that is shown within the ad you know they are scamming. Heck, the price of that car is a BIG tip off regardless. If it is legitimate, though, I may buy it, just as soon as the Royal Family of Nigeria sends me my share of the fortune that I sent my personal information information to a couple of weeks ago... :P
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Didn't you hear? All the Nigerian scam artists lost everything in the mortgage crisis :P They're on unemployment.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,108
    Not sure about that del Sol, I've read that's the one really unreliable car Honda's made, with not-so-hot body flex.
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    DeAr Sirs;

    My Father-in-law purchased a 2008 Alfa Romeo Other 8C on eBay shortly before he committed suicide because of the mortgage crisis. The car is sitting in our garage in Nigeria. Unfortunately, the keys to this car are in a safety deposit box in the United States along with the only remaining picture of my deceased mother. Regrettably, I cannot get visa to visit the United States any more and the bank will not accept a check from me for payment on the safety deposit box - I need a money order-, so I cannot get the picture of my mother which I desire very much. I do not care about the car, as I do not drive.

    If someone will mail me $500 to pay the bill on the safety deposit box, I will mail them the key to the box. In return for mailing me the picture of my mother, I will let my rescuer keep the keys to the car.

    signed

    Victoria Natalie Aweresui
    Your servant

    Here is picture of the car

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___2008-Alfa-Romeo-8C-Competizione-Del- ivery-Miles_W0QQitemZ290292836491QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewIt- emQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item290292836491&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3- A317%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Damn, missed it! Always wanted a picture of Victoria's mother.
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    Victoria's mama can't be any prettier than that Alfa 8C, though. God, I lust after that car. It may still be available as it doesn't appear it got any serious offers on eBay.

    Maybe if enough people respond to my scam Victoria's sad appeal for money, I can afford one.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Get out! Did you really post that on eBay? :surprise:

    Really now, to find people THAT gullible you have to post on craigslist.
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    The Alfa 8C on eBay is real, AND it's a U.S. spec car. It stickers for about $285K according to the photo of the window sticker in the ad.

    I didn't post my Nigerian scam anywhere but here, since I figured that only people who would fall for it are the kind who believe that you can buy old junked cars on Craigslist and fix them up enough to be fun to drive ....

    Say the kind of group you find in 'Project Cars - Fix 'em or Fold 'em'. :P
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    (Shiftright, looking to his left and right)....I can't imagine who you mean....
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    Say the kind of person who's interested in a picture of Victora's mother.....

    Oh, say, and I just noticed that there's nobody here but us ;)
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