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Funny you'd mention that, because I just came in from spreading gravel in my driveway, to fix a spot for my New Yorker so it doesn't have to sit on the grass, or get in the way and block the driveway or the garage on days when it decides not to start. Cost $582 delivered for 14 cubic yards, or 21 tons.
Would it be conceivable that a Rolls would weigh 3 tons? I know they're heavy for their size, as they're solid cars, but that might be pushing it. Anyway, 3 tons would come out to about 83 bucks! :P
Here's a pic of the NYer in its new resting spot...
And here's a pic showing its new parking spot in relation to the garage door...
And all that spreading barely made a dent in that pile of gravel...I have a feeling that pile's not going away anytime soon!
The car would have to be worth at least $75K--$80K for any kind of restoration from a vehicle this bad. What's the point? Just go buy one.
http://cars-on-line.com/44481.html
Offer him $33-35K for it and you're done.
You can even buy a very nice 440 six-pack clone, all restored and date correct for probably $50K. That wouldn't be a smart "investment" however.
Too funny
the seller did point out it is 'one of a kind'. take it from there.
1972 Z28 Camaro 4spd - $47000
Not a 2nd gen F body fan but will the best '72 get this money? Verified, inspected, etc.
1972 Road Runner - $45000
How much for a 4-speed with air grabber hood then?
1972 Corvette Stingray NUMBERS MATCHING 454 - $39900
The color/stripes aren't my favorite here. Usually I like white cars.
Classic 1972 OLDS - 442 - $37500
I wouldn't know what a showroom '72 Olds 442 looks like-paint, hood, trim, etc. No engine pics either. Seems way high priced for a 442 option on the Cutlass, no W code engine.
1972 GTO CONVERTIBLE 455 $35800
4-speed? automatic? No link to decent pics. GTO "option" on the Lemans for 1972. It's a big block convertible though - other options not listed. Are those rims correct 1972 Lemans?
So if it's a super clean #2 GTO automatic convertible with a 455/300hp could it be the "bargain" of the class of '72 here? (Not saying the best looking.)
The 455 was still available in the "real" 442. I know, because I worked for an Olds dealership and the summer of '73 I had to change the starter on a '72 442 with the 455.
It was one of those deals where they put the starter on the engine, then put the engine in the car. I changed it with the engine in place, but with a lot of skinned knuckles and ill will toward some automotive engineers. Horrible job, that one was.
EDIT: I just went back and looked at that ad again. The engine isn't even stock, but has had the carb, intake, and ignition changed. He will need a guppy to get half what he is asking. It wouldn't get that asking price even if it were a convertible, stock, in pristine condition.
The real deal for less money
Wrong, dude, that is a Cutlass S
The hood is a dead giveaway. The S was the lower trim level, and had the little inserts in the hood. The Supreme had a nicer interior, and no hood trim. Don't know that it would make much difference price-wise, but don't call it a Supreme when it isn't.
If the numbers really match on this one,
The guy has one of the most rare Cutlass convertibles ever built! I would have to see some hard proof on this one. And for the record, that would also be one of the squirreliest handling Olds ever built. Too much torque, not enought frame and body stiffness. But cool. Very, very cool.
I had to add this one.
Watch the youtube on this. The bozo goes into great detail about how it has a "real" W25 hood made out of steel, not one of the cheap fiberglass repro's.
You think he would know that the originals were fiberglass, not steel, and that those scoops were not fake, but were part of a ram air induction system. It isn't until right at the end of the video that he mentions the car being a clone. Duh, ya think???
IIRC, the S came with a 350 2bbl, the Supreme 350 4bbl.
Once again, it's rare, but does anybody care?
Not at that price.
First cars to get walloped in a recession are the clones and fakes and "tribute" cars.
Could you take a look at one of the links from jlflemmons post #20849? Look for the one labeled: If the numbers really match on this one
The seller there does NOT call his Cutlass a "442" but identifies some 442 options such as: W-30 INTAKE W-25 HOOD W-27 REAR ALL STOCK.
I've never seen one like it. Could a '72 Olds Cutlass convertible get ordered as a real 442 (not sure how else to say that)? Or was it like the '72 LeMans convertible which could get some special ordered options but never be a real GTO?
Some of the cars built during this "transition" period from are strange. I didn't post it earlier but there was a '72 Mustang which had a factory 351C/2bbl with a factory Ram Air option. Discussion about the car was that after mid 1972, ONLY the 2bbl 351C could get the Ram Air and not the 351C/4bbl! :confuse:
I did a quick google search to find another '72 Olds with the orange paint to get a better idea of what it would look like in person. And for just a second I thought I had found a matching 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass Vista Cruiser in the same orange/white-striped color as that convertible!
But, no, it turns out the Vista Cruiser was modified by the seller. At least he identified the changes he made from stock. Still looks good for an early 70s wagon.
IMO, if you're going to spend that kind of money, look for an original '67 Z-28, with the '302.
Now, as to that LeMans/GTO thing, things are way more confusing. The GTO was a separate 'option', available on both base LeMans (the hardtop) and the LeMans Sport (convertible). Now, pay attention here: a total of 3438 of those were built, including the GTO option or not. But, naturally my 'book' gives no breakdown of how many received which engine. So, his car is probably rare, but not that-kinda-money rare, though the 38 options thing is kinda nice, you'd probably have a comfy cruiser. :surprise:
A friend had a 442 in that orange/reddish color. It was dark orange, I guess? Not a bad color with a white top and interior, if you like those shades of orange.
I had wondered if the vagaries of 1972 production options limited the Cutlass convertible from being ordered as a 442 but I found this on Wiki, "113 W30 convertibles and 659 W30 coupes were made in 1972"
Hmm. So if a 442 convertible with W30 option really was available in '72 then you must be right about that orange/white-striped Cutlass in your link: special order to suit either a particular customer or the dealer. As you said it's like "a 442 in Cutlass trim." Btw thanks for posting the link. Still a bit of a puzzle as to why someone wanted it ordered like that, but it's great to see it preserved.
Assuming it does check out stock, the new owner won't likely meet his twin on the road-or at a car show. :shades:
Back then the strangest Olds I recall seeing was my neighbor's '73 Hurst Olds in black and gold. It was his first new car and ordered from Chesrown Olds in Nerk, I think. When I first saw it in his driveway I didn't have a clue what it was. Remember how different that GM A-body looked back then?
My Mom bought a 1975 LeMans coupe brand-new, when I was 5. I'm not sure what color it was, exactly. Mom said it was called "bronze", but Dad said it was "persimmon". And looking at the color chart for that year, Pontiac offered both "Persimmon" and "Fire Coral Bronze".
At the time, I didn't like the car...thought it was kinda ugly. But then, when I saw the '77 LeManses they used in "Smokey and the Bandit", I fell in love with that style with the quad rectangular headlights, for some reason. Enough so that I ultimately bought a '76 Grand LeMans coupe.
I think the main thing I didn't like about Mom's '75 was the front-end. I just didn't like the big round single headlights, and it was sporting a bit of a beak up front. The eggrate grille also seemed a bit garish, and the big bumper just jutted out too far. Here's a pic of a '75, if anybody needs their memory jogged. Ours also just had basic hubcaps and not rally wheels, and I'm pretty sure that "NASA" hood scoop wasn't offered on a base LeMans!
But with the '76-77, I just think the bumper fits better up front...it doesn't seem to jut out quite as badly. They're also not as "beaky", and I think the quad headlights and more squared front-end help clean the front-end up, and make the car look wider (dunno if "wider" is better, but I think it made it look more substantial).
Now, I thought the '73 Chevelle, Monte Carlo, Century/Regal, Cutlass, and Grand Prix all turned out nice. But the '73 LeMans just didn't do it for me as much. While the '76-77 LeMans is my favorite of those "Colonade" years, I think initially, for 1973, the Cutlass and Grand Prix were the best looking...really sharp cars. The 6000SUX was kinda cool, too! :shades:
Off the top of my head, my guess is maybe $20-25K, for the nicest in the world? Well, my mechanic said that once it's done, this guy will have put something like $130,000 into the car! :surprise:
If I start getting like that with the DeSoto, will somebody please have me committed? :P I mean, I love the car and everything, but I don't want to be indebted to it for the rest of my life!
Oh, and as for my DeSoto, it's kind of a sad sight right now. Seats are all pulled out. No gas tank, suspension, etc. Heads are off the engine, and so is the oil pan. And, one question...when did Mopar start outsourcing their Hemi engines to Toyota, because that sucker has an awful lot of sludge in it! :P
Well it's his money after all.
Yeah, I guess the important thing is that you do what makes you happy. I'm spending nowhere near that on my DeSoto, but I'll admit there are times that I've felt like a chump for not just going and buying a nice one, for less money than what I'm going to end up throwing into this one.
But then, it's not like a '57 DeSoto is a dime a dozen these days, either. Heck, this one's asking $95,000! It's an old ad though, and I think it's currently slated to go through the Barrett-Jackson auctions, so I know it'll end up going for more than it's worth. It's a Fireflite, rather than a Firedome like mine, but seriously, unless it's an Adventurer, does it really make that much difference in value?
Still, I have trouble wrapping my mind around a blowing $130K on restoring a 4-door '58 Edsel (or DeSoto,for that matter). Especially when, $36K more (plus permit fees and site prep and tearing down the old house) could get me into this!
Are you looking to replace your old homestead? I've found some of those planbook builders provide illustrations that look a lot bigger than they seem to look in person.
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As for the dude with the Edsel, I think he can get the nicest Edsel Corsair or Citation in existence for less than $130K, even if he went to Barrett-Jackson to get one and guzzled Glenfiddich all day!
I've been thinking about it. Most of the value of my place is in the land. The house is old, small, needs a lot of work, and is too close to the road. If I was to sell the place, I'm sure whoever bought it would just knock down the house, garage, and other outbuildings, and just subdivide. So I could throw a ton of money into my current house, and it probably wouldn't raise the value of the place one bit. But I figured if I built a new house, a bit further back, then if I sold the place would still get subdivided most likely, but at least there would be a nice new house that could be sold off on, say, a half-acre lot, thrown into the deal.
Probably not gonna go through with it though, because permitting fees are too cost-prohibitive, IMO. They want something like $15,000 just in water/sewer permits!
I'd rather kill myself.
An older SC430 could be alternative.
Actually, it's on the county records that they want a 30 foot right of way on my property to widen the road. That used to bother me...until I found out that it's been on the books since the 1970's, and if it hasn't happened by now, it's probably not going to any time soon. Plus, I went to a county planning meeting a few years back and found out what they actually want is a triangular piece. At the west end of my property, they DO want 30 feet back from the road, but it becomes less and less as you get up closer to the house, eventually going down to zero at the east side of the property.
There's a sharp S-curve at the end of the street that they want to straighten out, by going into the curve sooner and much more gradually. Right now, my house only sits about 5.5 feet off the property line, and maybe 9-10 feet from the road itself. That right-of-way they want would actually cut to about 3.5 feet at the west corner of my house. But, there are also plans to put in a sidewalk, which would be on my side of the expanded right-of-way. So while I would lose about 4,050 square feet of property (a 30x270 foot triangle), the road itself would actually be further from my house, as I'd now have a strip of grass, the sidewalk, and then another strip of grass between my property and the road.
Unfortunately, since the road moves further from my house, that means it ends up more in my grandmother's yard, across the street. It would take a pretty big chunk out of her yard, and I estimate it would actually take out the house next door to her.
I doubt if any of this will happen anytime soon. Lately, the county has been forcing developers to pay all the construction costs of improving the roads. About 12 years ago, our road did get widened to the west of me, and an Episcopalian school went in on my side, and a McMansion orchard on the other side. However, the school and the developer split the costs of widening that road. The only way our end of the street will get widened will be if a developer comes through, buys everybody out, and then tears it all down. And at that point, I really wouldn't care, as I'd be living somewhere else. It would hurt though, to see the place torn down after so many years.
The very front of my house is just an old enclosed porch, that has been turned into a walk-in closet and an office that is more junk/storage than anything else right now. If I wanted to, I could just take that room off, and that would put about 8 more feet between the front of the house and the street. But then, that front room does provide a nice buffer between the street and the rest of the house.