I was under the impressio that all the V-6 models were stick as well. Also, the V-6 was a 3.0 liter, not a 3.2 as mentioned in that ad. I think the V-8 they used in the later "catfish" models was actually the 2.5 Duratech V-6 with 2 cylinders added.
One thing that just hit me...since they could get the 4.6 squeezed under the hood of the Lincoln Continental, which was based on the Taurus, I wonder how hard it would be to get that engine in a Taurus/Sable? Probably not a worthwhile project, but I think it would be interesting!
"Ford decided that additional low-end torque was necessary to work with the slushbox. The stall speed of the torque converter would have been too high with the 3.0, so Ford had Yamaha bore the engine to 3.2 liters (the bore went from 3.5" to 3.62"), bringing the torque peak down in the RPM range while increasing its magnitude. The 3.2 liter engine's torque peak is 215 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, and the power peak is 220 hp @ 6000 RPM. The corresponding figures for the 3.0 liter engine are 200 lb-ft @ 4800 RPM and 220 hp @ 6200 RPM."
I just went to the Edmund's listing for the SHO, and at a quick glance they only had the 3.0 listed. Sometimes Edmund's is a bit sketchy when it comes to used car info.
89-94 Maxima future collectible? Bah...a decent used car, but not rare or exciting. Very common and it's a SEDAN.
The Subarus are also funny. Hemmings must have hired a crack smoker.
How about those 80s Nissans that the drifters love?
The RX7s are obvious, and the 93-97 Supra can't be left out. I've noticed a small following for the 82-85 cars too. I saw a really nice 1st gen Supra awhile back...you never see those anymore.
of the BMW, but that's about it. I guess you have to really be an afficionado to appreciate those cars. I take one look at that interior and to me it looks about as inviting as a Chevette! But, considering the types of cars I like, I'm not about to cast stones! :shades:
at the Mopar Nationals at Carlisle this past summer, there were a few 60's Hemi cars. One or two of them were parked under a covered pavilion and had prices of over $100,000 on them. But the real kicker was one that was sitting out in the sun with a $495,000 price on it! :surprise:
So he wants half a million bucks for it, but doesn't want to spring for the 50 bucks extra or whatever it costs for the covered space? :confuse:
I wonder how many people who buy half-million dollar cars, or even $100K or $50K cars would even come out to Carlisle?
The "4DSC" style. My younger brother bought one a few months ago in absolutely beautiful condition, and I think it's probably the best looking 4-door the Japanese ever made. Of course, that's the problem with collectibility right there - it's a 4 door, even if it is the "4 Door Sports Car".
there was a kid who worked there who got handed down his old man's '89 Maxima. Didn't take long for him to wrap it around a light pole. I'm still amazed to this day how far a back door can cave in and bend the window glass without breaking it! :surprise: After that he got stuck with an old Celebrity station wagon. Served him right.
the ONLY car on that list that's ever going to be worth more than $1,500 is the RX-7 Twin Turbo Coupe.
Why? For one thing, it's the only one with any serious performance capabilities, and horsepower breeds interest and interest breeds high prices. It's also drop dead beautiful, something the Japanese are generally speaking not very good at doing---making a car beautiful.
The rest are, and will always be, either plain old used cars or curiosities.
The SVX does have a kind of cult following, but so do Studebakers, and those buyers are also cheapskates.
89-94 Maxima future collectible? Bah...a decent used car, but not rare or exciting. Very common and it's a SEDAN.
There was a Maxima coupe for that generation. Nissan didn't sell a lot of them, but I've seen a few. The 240SX is the king of drifting, mostly for the easy conversion to JDM turbo motors; you almost can't give away the 200SX predecessors (except for the '87-88 V6 versions, but those are rather nose-heavy).
Well you know, you can "collect" anything...even tin cans, but I don't think that's what the word is supposed to mean in the old car world.
What Hemmings (was it Hemmings?) missed and shame on them was the original Datsun 510 coupe, which is worth more now than just about any car on that list except the RX7 twin turbo.
But maybe that was too old for their list, I dunno.
What's the current mileage on the Park Avenue? But most importantly, what is the condition of the car's underneath? That's important to know if you use an older car for the winter.
I'm with fintail. Not to call anyone a liar but until I see a pic of a Maxima coupe I'll have a hard time believing it. AFAIK Maximas have always had 6 cyl engines and 4 doors, all the way back to the old RWD 810s. There were a few Maxima wagons back in the '80s. There was a 2 dr Camry a ways back, maybe that's what you're thinking of.
I like the 911. Can even live with the color, all for the price of a Civic LX, but certainly not a project anymore.
The 320i looks fine for $500 if it runs OK> Heck, just the box of spare parts would be fun to own! Just don't get involved in rebuilding it, and you might get lucky. A kid could do worse for a car to run to school in, and it would be a great learing experience!
Seriously, now, is that REALLY an OK price on the Porsche? I honestly don't know what to make of it, but 198k miles...???
A mid-80s 911 would fetch that easily if it were nice and had 80k... buddy of mine bought one.
On another tack, what's the story on a '93 Mercedes SL500? There's one for sale locally, and I was asked about it... it's supposed to be a nice, summer-only car... MI is great for motorcycles and convertibles... get 5 weeks of use every year... anyway, what are these things worth when they're nice and have 100k miles?
the last 2-door in the Maxima range was around 1980, at the latest, when it was still called 810. Back then they offered a 2-door hardtop that had a roll-down rear window ahead of a fixed rear window, a style that was popular among Japanese coupes back then. There was also a 4-door and a wagon.
That style's last year was 1980, and the hardtop may or may not have made it that far, as coupes in general started to really fall off in popularity around then. When the 80-84 style came out, it was down to just the sedan and wagon. The '85-88 also had a wagon.
I wonder if a Maxima coupe would have really been much of an improvement over the sedan, though? By that time, designers were styling sedans from the ground up as sedans, instead of just coming up with one basic theme and trying to force it into both coupe and sedan configurations where preference was usually given to the coupe and the sedan often looked a bit like an afterthought in comparison. Also, in the past coupes were usually sleeker than sedans, with more rakish rooflines and slicked-back windshields, but by the time the 1989 Maxima came out, sedans were getting pretty slick, themselves.
I'm not a big fan of those gaudy neoclassic things like Tiffanys, Phaetons, Stutz and Duesenberg revivals, etc, but as far as these things go, that Benz replica seems less offensive than most. I'd take it if someone gave it to me! :P
but I hope some fool rescues this poor beast. Although that fool isn't going to be me! I guess it would make an okay parts car though, if my LeMans ever got smashed and needed a new fender or door or bumper or something.
Be sure to scroll down and check out the seller's 2000 Escalade with it's low buy-it-now price! :P
Current mileage on the Park Avenue is 81,800. The bottom of the car is very clean. It looks like it was garage-kept most of its life. The car belonged to the seller's brother who died this summer.
Hemmings called the article something like "Japanese Collector Cars You Should Buy." They mention in the preface that the Toyota 2000GT is the only Japanese car worth something. Here is the complete list:
89-94 Maxima 93-95 RX-7 92-97 Subaru SVX 70-73 240Z 71-73 Celica 76-77 Celica - What is wrong with the 74-75s? 88-91 Subaru XT6 89-92 240SX 79-82 RX-7 79-81 Supra 70-73 240Z
The ones I forgot:
88-91 Prelude 4WS - No chance, prosaic styling, slow, complicated.
70-78 RX-2 and RX3 - The engine in these is almost as expensive and thirsty as in a 93-95TT. They have a small following that seems to be drying up with the supply of 13B rotor housings that are going to later cars.
92 Galant VR4 - people would want this plain sedan over an Eclipse GSX? Not so far.
91-94 Sentra SE-R - Nice autocrosser, but it is getting really hard to find one that isn't used up. How about the Datsun 510, its spiritual predecessor?
99 Civic Si - I like these and they hold their value surprisingly well for a used car.
95-96 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 Spyder - a $70,000 Mitsubishi that weighs as much as a big minivan. A total failure.
87-88 Isuzu Impulse RS Turbo Limited Edition - I owned one of these and have no desire to own one again.
78-80 Plymouth Fire Arrow - What the heck? Andre, please explain the greatness of the Fire Arrow.
86-89 Starion/Conquest - Used car, at least it is RWD.
93-95 Acura Legend GS - Nice car for its time, but I can't imagine people lusting after them in the future.
85-86 Corolla GTS - Andre was right.
88-89 MR2 Supercharged - How about the 2nd generation turbo? I like the early cars, but people still use them as beaters.
Datsun 2000 - Ok, we might have a minor collectible here.
I don't know much about them, but I guess if you really wanted a Mustang-II or Monza 2+2 type of car, it was probably as good as any. With the 2.6 they could be pretty quick for the time. Road and Track tested one and got 0-60 in 9.6 seconds.
And once it got the modern-looking facelift in 1978, the Arrow wasn't a bad looking little car. Kinda reminded me of the "face" of my grandparents' '81 Dodge D-50 pickup, though.
As for Acuras, one I'd like to nominate is the first-gen Legend coupe. I LOVE the style of those! I also like the Toyota Cressida that ran from around 1985-88.
That should be 91-94. The '89 and '90 had the SOHC KA24 versus the DOHC version in the later models, plus they had an uglier nose.
"88-91 Prelude 4WS - No chance, prosaic styling, slow, complicated."
I think the 'lude does have a chance. It's more stylish than the Accord coupe it otherwise is. Most of the ones I see around are either immaculately maintained or beat to hell and back.
"Omissions?"
The obvious ones like the MarkIV Supra, the Z32 300ZX, and the Miata. Some less obvious candidates: the second-gen CRX, the bugeye Integras, the second-gen AWD Eclipse, and (not a car) the late-80s 4Runner.
89-94 Maxima --NEVER 93-95 RX-7 YES! 92-97 Subaru SVX No way 70-73 240Z YES! 71-73 Celica NO 76-77 Celica - NEVER 88-91 Subaru XT6 NEVER 89-92 240SX NO 79-82 RX-7 NO 79-81 Supra NO
88-91 Prelude 4WS NO
70-78 RX-2 and RX3 - Maybe someday sorta kinda
92 Galant VR4 - that's a joke right?
91-94 Sentra SE-R - maybe sorta kinda in a cute puppy discount sort of way. Cheap fun always attracts a following.
99 Civic Si - just a used car
95-96 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 Spyder - a porker, expensive to fix, a clutch eater, unreliable. Doubt it but it does have a kind of curiosity value and the top goes down. So I'd say maybe maybe.
78-80 Plymouth Fire Arrow - the only greatness is the delusions of the writer of the article.
86-89 Starion/Conquest - Agree, nothing here.
93-95 Acura Legend GS - just a used car.
85-86 Corolla GTS - maybe sorta kinda minor collectible for low bucks.
88-89 MR2 Supercharged - Could have its day in the sun, but far in the future.
Datsun 2000 - This "collectible" has been waiting to happen for 20 years. They have a small following and are worth some money but I think they are fully priced and have hit their ceiling. So, minor collectible, yes.
I kinda prefer the first generation RX-7 to the 240Z. How come it gets no respect? They are reliable, handle well, respond well to light modification, and are relatively good looking. The engines can go at anytime and are expensive to replace, but everything else on it is easy and relatively cheap to fix.
I looked around on a used car lot that was owned by the repair shop that was replacing the tranny in my buddy's '98 Tracker. They had two cars there that caught my eye, and priced around the same. One of them was a 1987 Regal, last of the RWD coupes, with the V-6. Looked immaculate, and was nicely optioned (except for that damn V-6). The other was an '87 Acura Legend sedan. Had a sunroof, cloth interior, and looked really nice except for a rust spot over each rear wheel opening.
There once was a time when in my eye, the Regal would've been a no-brainer and I wouldn't have even paid attention to the Legend, since even though I liked them, they were pretty expensive. But here they were, both the same price, around $2500, and I actually found myself thinking about that Legend! I guess the times they are a'changin.
But now if the Regal had a V-8, it would've swayed me back! :P
I used to hate those '71-74 Chargers, mainly because they looked so nasty, bloated, and awkward compared to the timeless '68-70. I think I almost like the '76-78 Charger S/E better! If nothing else, the Cordoba knock-off at least had the styling cleaned up, although it was trading sporty brutal looks for the personal luxury thing.
Depending on the year, you could still get some pretty potent big blocks in those 71-74 Chargers though, and even the 318 could move them with some dignity. I'd still take a '68-70, though. Or a '78-79 Magnum.
...shame about the Chevelle. Who the heck ordered an inline six cylinder when that car was first purchased? That's like seeing an inline six in an early '60s Impala SS.
"That replica - I can't tell it from a real '39 Mercedes. "
That was a joke, right?
RE: Mercedes 500SL -- good looking car, will no doubt nickel and dime the new owner to death, the $12K price seems suspiciously low to me. I would think a REALLY SHARP car (and I am being very picky here) would sell in the high TEENS to low $20Ks....
If the car is the least bit shabby oromblematical, run like hell because everything costs an arm and a leg to fix.
If it's really sharp and trouble free and under 100K, and you really can get it for $12K, there's profit left in that car.
It's kinda crazy buying an old 4-door Caddy to fix up because they are comlex cars and it costs just as much to fix up a coupe or convertible. But maybe that car doesn't need too much. I'd want plenty of proof about the mileage though.
Thanks for the (un)kind words on the SL. I passed them along. I love getting people into trouble with old German iron, so long as it's on their nickel.
"Nice color for a 123"
We used to joke that you can get a Mercedes in all the bathroom colors. In the late 70s, that was just about true, too. I've got a soft spot for 123's cuz my old man drove a 1980 200 (4cyl carbureted 4sp manual tranny) until '98 or so. He loved that car... it was amazing how solid that thing was until the end. If I could find one in good shape, I'd be sorely tempted to buy it as a summer driver. But not a Diesel. I don't drive enough to make it worth the hassle.
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One thing that just hit me...since they could get the 4.6 squeezed under the hood of the Lincoln Continental, which was based on the Taurus, I wonder how hard it would be to get that engine in a Taurus/Sable? Probably not a worthwhile project, but I think it would be interesting!
"Ford decided that additional low-end torque was necessary to work with the slushbox. The stall speed of the torque converter would have been too high with the 3.0, so Ford had Yamaha bore the engine to 3.2 liters (the bore went from 3.5" to 3.62"), bringing the torque peak down in the RPM range while increasing its magnitude. The 3.2 liter engine's torque peak is 215 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, and the power peak is 220 hp @ 6000 RPM. The corresponding figures for the 3.0 liter engine are 200 lb-ft @ 4800 RPM and 220 hp @ 6200 RPM."
89-94 Maxima future collectible? Bah...a decent used car, but not rare or exciting. Very common and it's a SEDAN.
The Subarus are also funny. Hemmings must have hired a crack smoker.
How about those 80s Nissans that the drifters love?
The RX7s are obvious, and the 93-97 Supra can't be left out. I've noticed a small following for the 82-85 cars too. I saw a really nice 1st gen Supra awhile back...you never see those anymore.
ROFL funniest thing I have seen in awhile
He's got a couple extra digits in his price. Lay off the crackpipe.
And that BMW is a nice color, but that's about it. I think I spot rust too.
So he wants half a million bucks for it, but doesn't want to spring for the 50 bucks extra or whatever it costs for the covered space? :confuse:
I wonder how many people who buy half-million dollar cars, or even $100K or $50K cars would even come out to Carlisle?
"We need a ride to the shareholder's meeting..."
-Jason
Why? For one thing, it's the only one with any serious performance capabilities, and horsepower breeds interest and interest breeds high prices. It's also drop dead beautiful, something the Japanese are generally speaking not very good at doing---making a car beautiful.
The rest are, and will always be, either plain old used cars or curiosities.
The SVX does have a kind of cult following, but so do Studebakers, and those buyers are also cheapskates.
If it has rust, don't buy it.
If it's 1975-77, don't buy it
If the engine hasn't had a cylinder leakdown test, don't but it.
That's really all one needs to know to vastly improve the odds.
These cars are not scarce, so there's no need to buy a beater.
There was a Maxima coupe for that generation. Nissan didn't sell a lot of them, but I've seen a few. The 240SX is the king of drifting, mostly for the easy conversion to JDM turbo motors; you almost can't give away the 200SX predecessors (except for the '87-88 V6 versions, but those are rather nose-heavy).
what BMW? Must have missed that one.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
What Hemmings (was it Hemmings?) missed and shame on them was the original Datsun 510 coupe, which is worth more now than just about any car on that list except the RX7 twin turbo.
But maybe that was too old for their list, I dunno.
Here's the BMW
-Jason
Another "Soon To Be A Classic" bites the dust:
http://www.craigslist.org/sby/car/113820503.html
And here's a weird kind of project...nice car but not for the money I don't think:
http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/car/114047141.html
HERE'S THE KIND OF 911 YOU WANT TO BUY:
http://www.craigslist.org/eby/car/114055705.html
AND NOW FOR SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL:
Okay, don't bunch up!
http://www.craigslist.org/eby/car/113216621.html
The 320i looks fine for $500 if it runs OK> Heck, just the box of spare parts would be fun to own! Just don't get involved in rebuilding it, and you might get lucky. A kid could do worse for a car to run to school in, and it would be a great learing experience!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
A mid-80s 911 would fetch that easily if it were nice and had 80k... buddy of mine bought one.
On another tack, what's the story on a '93 Mercedes SL500? There's one for sale locally, and I was asked about it... it's supposed to be a nice, summer-only car... MI is great for motorcycles and convertibles... get 5 weeks of use every year... anyway, what are these things worth when they're nice and have 100k miles?
-Mathias
That style's last year was 1980, and the hardtop may or may not have made it that far, as coupes in general started to really fall off in popularity around then. When the 80-84 style came out, it was down to just the sedan and wagon. The '85-88 also had a wagon.
I wonder if a Maxima coupe would have really been much of an improvement over the sedan, though? By that time, designers were styling sedans from the ground up as sedans, instead of just coming up with one basic theme and trying to force it into both coupe and sedan configurations where preference was usually given to the coupe and the sedan often looked a bit like an afterthought in comparison. Also, in the past coupes were usually sleeker than sedans, with more rakish rooflines and slicked-back windshields, but by the time the 1989 Maxima came out, sedans were getting pretty slick, themselves.
Be sure to scroll down and check out the seller's 2000 Escalade with it's low buy-it-now price! :P
The Porsche is good, but I am not crazy about the price or the color.
That replica - I can't tell it from a real '39 Mercedes.
Hemmings called the article something like "Japanese Collector Cars You Should Buy." They mention in the preface that the Toyota 2000GT is the only Japanese car worth something. Here is the complete list:
89-94 Maxima
93-95 RX-7
92-97 Subaru SVX
70-73 240Z
71-73 Celica
76-77 Celica - What is wrong with the 74-75s?
88-91 Subaru XT6
89-92 240SX
79-82 RX-7
79-81 Supra
70-73 240Z
The ones I forgot:
88-91 Prelude 4WS - No chance, prosaic styling, slow, complicated.
70-78 RX-2 and RX3 - The engine in these is almost as expensive and thirsty as in a 93-95TT. They have a small following that seems to be drying up with the supply of 13B rotor housings that are going to later cars.
92 Galant VR4 - people would want this plain sedan over an Eclipse GSX? Not so far.
91-94 Sentra SE-R - Nice autocrosser, but it is getting really hard to find one that isn't used up. How about the Datsun 510, its spiritual predecessor?
99 Civic Si - I like these and they hold their value surprisingly well for a used car.
95-96 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 Spyder - a $70,000 Mitsubishi that weighs as much as a big minivan. A total failure.
87-88 Isuzu Impulse RS Turbo Limited Edition - I owned one of these and have no desire to own one again.
78-80 Plymouth Fire Arrow - What the heck? Andre, please explain the greatness of the Fire Arrow.
86-89 Starion/Conquest - Used car, at least it is RWD.
93-95 Acura Legend GS - Nice car for its time, but I can't imagine people lusting after them in the future.
85-86 Corolla GTS - Andre was right.
88-89 MR2 Supercharged - How about the 2nd generation turbo? I like the early cars, but people still use them as beaters.
Datsun 2000 - Ok, we might have a minor collectible here.
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And once it got the modern-looking facelift in 1978, the Arrow wasn't a bad looking little car. Kinda reminded me of the "face" of my grandparents' '81 Dodge D-50 pickup, though.
As for Acuras, one I'd like to nominate is the first-gen Legend coupe. I LOVE the style of those! I also like the Toyota Cressida that ran from around 1985-88.
That should be 91-94. The '89 and '90 had the SOHC KA24 versus the DOHC version in the later models, plus they had an uglier nose.
"88-91 Prelude 4WS - No chance, prosaic styling, slow, complicated."
I think the 'lude does have a chance. It's more stylish than the Accord coupe it otherwise is. Most of the ones I see around are either immaculately maintained or beat to hell and back.
"Omissions?"
The obvious ones like the MarkIV Supra, the Z32 300ZX, and the Miata. Some less obvious candidates: the second-gen CRX, the bugeye Integras, the second-gen AWD Eclipse, and (not a car) the late-80s 4Runner.
93-95 RX-7 YES!
92-97 Subaru SVX No way
70-73 240Z YES!
71-73 Celica NO
76-77 Celica - NEVER
88-91 Subaru XT6 NEVER
89-92 240SX NO
79-82 RX-7 NO
79-81 Supra NO
88-91 Prelude 4WS NO
70-78 RX-2 and RX3 - Maybe someday sorta kinda
92 Galant VR4 - that's a joke right?
91-94 Sentra SE-R - maybe sorta kinda in a cute puppy discount sort of way. Cheap fun always attracts a following.
99 Civic Si - just a used car
95-96 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 Spyder - a porker, expensive to fix, a clutch eater, unreliable. Doubt it but it does have a kind of curiosity value and the top goes down. So I'd say maybe maybe.
87-88 Isuzu Impulse RS Turbo Limited Edition - junkyard
78-80 Plymouth Fire Arrow - the only greatness is the delusions of the writer of the article.
86-89 Starion/Conquest - Agree, nothing here.
93-95 Acura Legend GS - just a used car.
85-86 Corolla GTS - maybe sorta kinda minor collectible for low bucks.
88-89 MR2 Supercharged - Could have its day in the sun, but far in the future.
Datsun 2000 - This "collectible" has been waiting to happen for 20 years. They have a small following and are worth some money but I think they are fully priced and have hit their ceiling. So, minor collectible, yes.
Since I put it in a footnote to some other car, I'll restate my question regarding the SL500.
A buddy of mine called last night asking whether $12 is a good price for one of these locally (mid-MI).
I told him I had no idea, but that Benz's had to be "just so" to be worth a lot of money... 100k miles "great conditon" and two tops.
In five words or less, what are these worth if nice, and what are the gotchas... you summed it up nicely for 911's yesterday...
At least we have Frank's Garage, honest Mercedes mechanics for 30+ years.
-Mathias
There once was a time when in my eye, the Regal would've been a no-brainer and I wouldn't have even paid attention to the Legend, since even though I liked them, they were pretty expensive. But here they were, both the same price, around $2500, and I actually found myself thinking about that Legend! I guess the times they are a'changin.
But now if the Regal had a V-8, it would've swayed me back! :P
Can't be many of these left
I suppose this whale is no less a Charger than the current one
What year SL500?
Depending on the year, you could still get some pretty potent big blocks in those 71-74 Chargers though, and even the 318 could move them with some dignity. I'd still take a '68-70, though. Or a '78-79 Magnum.
Someone who wanted the muscle-car equivalent of "bling".
That was a joke, right?
RE: Mercedes 500SL -- good looking car, will no doubt nickel and dime the new owner to death, the $12K price seems suspiciously low to me. I would think a REALLY SHARP car (and I am being very picky here) would sell in the high TEENS to low $20Ks....
If the car is the least bit shabby oromblematical, run like hell because everything costs an arm and a leg to fix.
If it's really sharp and trouble free and under 100K, and you really can get it for $12K, there's profit left in that car.
By the title of this I was expecting something older/better
Nice color for a 123
Dude, you've got an extra zero
Did you notice that the photos are dated 1997?
"Nice color for a 123"
We used to joke that you can get a Mercedes in all the bathroom colors. In the late 70s, that was just about true, too. I've got a soft spot for 123's cuz my old man drove a 1980 200 (4cyl carbureted 4sp manual tranny) until '98 or so. He loved that car... it was amazing how solid that thing was until the end. If I could find one in good shape, I'd be sorely tempted to buy it as a summer driver. But not a Diesel. I don't drive enough to make it worth the hassle.
-Mathias