Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

andre1969

The fullsize '62s became the midsize '65s which I found kind of bland.

With Plymouth, I don't like the '62 models at all, not crazy about the '63 either. On the '63 I don't like the headlights, which are inset a bit too far, or the turn signals. Overall, there's just something a bit "Ford-ish" about it. The '64 Fury's not bad...makes me think just a bit of a '63 Chevy up front. But it doesn't really excite me, either. I kinda like the '65 Belvedere, although again, I find something a bit "Ford-ish" about its style.

With Dodge, I actually like the '62-63 models...somehow their weird-ness works, for me. A little less crazy about the '64 model with that "owl-eyed" look. The '65 Coronet is pleasant enough, but doesn't grab me, one way or another.

For '66-67, I think the Coronet and Satellite have sort of a blocky, appliance-like look to them. Nothing really pretty about them, but they at least look tough, all-business.

My favorite midsized Mopars are the '68-70...although I don't care for that double-loop bumper on the '70 Coronet.

hpmctorque

That Nash is a cool looking car. An Ambassador 4-door would be even nicer, but that basic Super 600 is nice enough. Don't know what it's worth.

lemko

Nothing surprising about the Fordish look as Elwood Engel came to Chrysler after Exner was let go. I don't mind the 1963 Plymouth so much though it does resemble a 1960 Ford somewhat. I don't care for the single headlamps on the 1965 Belvedere as it makes the car look cheap. The only people I remember who drove '65 Belvederes were middle-aged ladies at the supermarket, so that kind of kills its image for me. I do like the 1968-70 Mopar intermediates though I remember a lot of them as taxis.

lemko

Provided the car is reliable, I could see me driving it around as a daily hooptie as it is. For a show car, I'd have to start all over, especially that awful paint job! Looks like he painted it with a broom!

qbrozen

Just came through in an SCM email.

Decent looking driver. Wouldn't pass yourself on the road, that's for sure. But reserve not met at $3500? Gotta wonder what he's looking to get out of it.

texases

"For a show car, I'd have to start all over, especially that awful paint job! Looks like he painted it with a broom! "

I think it's even worse than just the paint job - a number of the photos show lots of rust in hidden areas, it's as if they wire brushed off the exterior and painted over all the rust pits.

fintail

I am glad you are carrying the torch and passing on what was a great era for fun movies - the period from 1982 to about 1990 had a lot to like.

Regarding the Nash, they are rare on the road, but seem to have a decent survival rates. I think they are made from robust metal and have a sturdy structure, like the Briggs-bodied Mopars from 1949-54 that seem to survive in good numbers today. The paint on that one is amusing, applied by a shop vac on "blow", I think. The texture suggests that the car was harshly prepped and painted in a jiffy. A 30 footer, maybe a fun hooptie.

fintail

He's looking to get his money back. Private import, probably got hosed on shipping, bought some expensive unobtanium parts, and maybe wants profit as well.

Mr_Shiftright

ugly little rat of a car, too. None of the typical Abarth charm IMO.

qbrozen

i really thought it was a classic toyota at first glance.

omarman

'73 Torino 351 Q code (factory rated @246hp net for intermediates, 266hp for Mustang) with 4-speed. But there's something freaky about the pics. Pic #1 shows body damage on the driver's side rear quarter which doesn't show in pic #3 even though the background/surroundings seem to match suggesting that both pics were taken at the same time. :confuse:

texases

? I'm not seeing the damage in pic #1...

qbrozen

I see what you are talking about, but I think its just a really funky reflection.

explorerx4

I see the same thing, a reflection. Price looks like it has something wrong with it, though.

omarman

I went back to CL to check the pics again but the listing has been deleted.

fintail

I saw it too, I think it was just an anomaly in the pic.

qbrozen

Better pics would help your case.

Very european. Seems like alot of money, though.

texases

That Falcon with the screamin' 170 cid 6:
"Car has dual exhaust... It has aluminum wheels. It is a 3 speed automatic. "
Does not compute...at least it's not the 144...

Mr_Shiftright

Ah, the memories....your brake pedal foot buzzing under the vibration of the engine at the stoplight....then...DAYLIGHT...you floor it...the message goes from the pilot house to the engine room, where the indicator dial moves to "Go"; then, a further message is sent to the engine to "try as hard as you can".

WHIRRRRRRRRRRRR...(first shift)......CLUNK!....bogbogbogbog....whirr whirr whirr WHIRRRRRRRRRR....shift? SHIFT?..."sorry, we're all out of those"....WHIRRRRRRRRR....omg, we're doing 60 mph, in a mere 19 seconds!

andre1969

I'm impressed that an early Falcon with a 170 6-cyl is so luxuriously equipped as to even have a 3-speed automatic. I had a co-worker who bought a '62 Galaxie with a 292, and even it only had a 2-speed.

As for 0-60, I remember reading an old road test of a Mercury Comet with the tiny 144 and an automatic. 0-60 was around 26 seconds!

bhill2

"Car has dual exhaust... It has aluminum wheels. It is a 3 speed automatic. "

OK, there's no good shot of the quadrant, but unless they replaced the original Fordomatic with a later transmission (without changing the engine) it is a 2 speed auto. And why they would bother putting dual exhausts on a 170 ci six I can't even imagine.

qbrozen

LOL

Mr_Shiftright

It's supposed to be a 2-speed automatic.

explorerx4

The seller is including reverse?

fintail

Slow, loud, old looking (final year W115) potential for smoke, and I even like the color

Mr_Shiftright

Look at those bids! Well i guess a near-pristine example with 39,000 original miles is probably worth a premium of sorts---up to a point. I only hope it was stored well, as far as fuel quality and the injection pump are concerned.

Nice go-around-town car! My real objection to these older diesels is not the smoke, or the noise, or the lack of speed, but rather that they stink of diesel fuel inside the cockpit.

ab348

The link to the picture/description page in the listing is a bit comical. The asking price is/was $17,900. The description includes the statement "excellent power". I suppose the power it produces may be excellent - there just isn't enough of it.

Mr_Shiftright

As one car magazine put it: "This thing couldn't pull the skin off rice pudding".

fintail

Hey, at least it's not an automatic!

That asking price is a bit crazy of course.

fintail

Sunny day car or for local MB club events - mile it up too much and the value collapses.

I haven't spent much time in any of the old diesels, pre W123. I have to imagine the fumes and venting on earlier cars can be a problem, especially in areas with stagnant air.

qbrozen

Nash is up over $6k with 9 hrs to go!

good grief.

Mr_Shiftright

Hmmm...what did I predict? Was it $6K or $6.5K?

They'd be okay at $6K, even though the car has its problems. It's just too weird and too rare to junk, but too messed up to totally restore, so I see this puppy as a driver or maybe a rod.

qbrozen

you said $5500, and I thought even that would be too much given the needs.

Mr_Shiftright

Well I allow myself 15% plus or minus on guesses...more than that, and I have to change my point of view on value.

qbrozen

I was over my dad's on Saturday and we found ourselves watching a few episodes of What's My Car Worth. Out of the dozen or so cars we watched, I was only right on 1 of them (a $400k Cobra). On all but 1 of the remaining cars, I was under.

People be crazy. I think the one that stood out most was a '56 Nomad. This was a restomod (NOT by a famous builder, mind you) that was just driver quality with tired and chipped paint, bad panel alignment, etc. $55k at the block! What?!

The only one I was way under on was a '71 442 convertible. I believe it was judged as a #1 car. Hammer came down at $35k! Even the host was saying "where was my paddle when I needed it?" I thought that was a $70k car.

Mr_Shiftright

One sale at one auction doesn't mean that's what the car is worth--it means that's what it was worth to one person on one day at one auction...the market tends to correct over-bidders in a very simple manner: Try to sell it the next day for the same price, without the lights, hype, TV, wine and emotion.

We see this all the time...there are collectible cars out there right now selling for 1/2 of what they sold for in 2008. So what are they "worth"? The 2008 price or the 2013 price?

Market Value is based on points of sale--the more points you can reference, the more likely your value estimate is accurate.

Another way to test the market is to research for an identical car for sale--if you can buy a car just like the auction car, of same quality, for 1/3rd less, than obviously the bidder paid too much.

Or as we say to console the over-anxious bidder---"don't worry, you are just a bit ahead of the market right now" LOL!

qbrozen

oh, of course. And we've talked about that 1-sale wonder kid of stuff here before, too.

Just reread my post. Of course, I meant I was way OVER on the 442 vert. Although I was in line with the auction house and the seller.

Sometimes, but not often, bargains slip by on those auctions, too.

Speaking of auctions, I'm sad to say that my birthday trip to attend Carlisle for the first time ever has been canceled. I was scheduled to get there this Thurs and stay till Sunday. Oh well.

qbrozen

Looks nice. Not sure how much is truly original, though.

Now THIS is original. Pretty pimp. I like it.

stickguy

Mustang looks solid. if not all original, at least an "honest" car. And I do like the 442 (or Cutlass) in the driveway behind it.

the pimp car? Go for it! it will look cute parked next to the leaf. Talk about schizophrenic.

andre1969

I like that '64 Olds Ninety-Eight. LOVE that color!

texases

That is an amazingly clean Mustang for being in MA. Some rust bubbles around the rear wheel wells. My '65 didn't have those, because that whole area rusted off!

Wonder why no engine pics...???

Michaell

A newer project for someone with the right skills and tools:

BMW

stickguy

yet another reason to not get an AWD E46.

actually, I wonder if this is something that you could convert to RWD? Basically just ditch the TC and diff, and just let the real end do all the work? Probably not that simple though, and who knows what it does to the computers.

I know that on the AWD volvos, it was not that uncommon for people to disconnect the rear prop shaft when the angle gear went south. Certainly cheaper than replacing it, and I don't think the car cared!

texases

" Price is not negotiable. "

OK, then "Car is not sellable"...

qbrozen

Sure, I could do it. But why would I when I can buy one that ain't broke for the cost of that car plus the parts??

Mr_Shiftright

"The repair shop also stated the transfer case and differential need to be replaced. "

EEEEKKKK!

Car is totaled. Junkyard.

"Price is not negotiable"

Well fine, buy it a birthday cake every year it sits in your garage.

You could buy an entire good running one for $6000.

bhill2

Wonder why no engine pics...???

There were no real engine pics for the Mustang either. There are also no good pics of the fender emblems. It makes me wonder because the car is listed as a 289, but what I can see of the emblems do not look like they have the '289' section. I can't tell for sure from the pictures.

explorerx4

Really original looking coil over shocks on that Mustang.
It did say original color, not original paint.

texases

"Really original looking coil over shocks on that Mustang."

Yeah, looks like the leaf springs must be super sagging. Needs those helper springs.

sjs822

There's a few projects in here.

http://xaxor.com/bizarre/32918-insane-homemade-car-repairs.html