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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600

    @MrShift@Edmunds said:
    ...The exhaust systems fell off because they were held on primarily by small rubber donuts. The fiber timing gear used to strip teeth and that of course made the car run like crap. Aside from very soft camshafts, the engines were pretty strong.

    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,744

    that mini is insane.
    my one nit to pick is that the trailing edges of the rear sheet metal are rotted away. At that price, it needs to be perfect, IMHO.

    This jeep popped up in my email. I gotta say, based on prices I've seen for others, this seems totally reasonable given the condition.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,119

    That Austin - VTEC 220 hp + stock drum brakes = ???

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,445
    edited March 2014

    Run away from? Low mileage final year 560SEL in a nice color combo is maybe the peak of W126 (sedan) demand - bids are healthy already. If only it was closer and half the price.

    That Austin America is crazy and cool, I like the "Type R" badge too.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,419

    That jeep is pretty clean. Too bad no interior or engine pics

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited March 2014

    TR6 --I like TR6s---a "man's car"! The price might actually be okay if it's as nice as described--but no shabbiness allowed at this number. Big fat stupid bumpers are a shame but that gives you a 10-15% discount over small bumper ones.

    Austin America--yeah, it's fast and fun, but how do you keep people from laughing at you? Seems like pouring money and skill into a wormhole.

  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,119
    edited March 2014

    No problem. I'm sure Autozone has any missing parts...

  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342

    Has anyone ever seen one of these?
    http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/4374165854.html

    Any brave souls out there with fat wallets?

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    I've never seen one. It was sort of the pimped out version of the X6 Vanden Plas that you could buy in 1990-92 for a mere $53,000. Perhaps a vestige of the Go-Go 80s with all its excesses? Might be fun for the XJ6 masochist who needs new and exquisite forms of torture to jumpstart their desire for pain--AND, as a palpable bonus, they'd have the only one at the car show. I'd tend to look at it as just another ornery XJ6 with a fake nose and eyeglasses trying to disguise itself from the unwary, but for the Jaguar sedan lover, it would be an awesome trump card to play at a car club meeting.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,445
    edited March 2014

    An Apollo, cool - the bad guy's car in Herbie the Love Bug:

    That Jag is insanely priced - looks well preserved, but pics in the dark and flowery somewhat clueless descriptions make me wary. Seller is very optimistic. The "Majestic" model was a limited offering based on the Daimler-badged car (note the fluted radiator) sold elsewhere, I think.

  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,696

    @MrShift@Edmunds said:
    Austin America--yeah, it's fast and fun, but how do you keep people from laughing at you?

    Smoke them. LOL.

    No, but seriously, that little car looks like it was well done, and would definitely be a boat load of fun.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342

    @MrShift@Edmunds said:
    I've never seen one. It was sort of the pimped out version of the X6 Vanden Plas that you could buy in 1990-92 for a mere $53,000. Perhaps a vestige of the Go-Go 80s with all its excesses? Might be fun for the XJ6 masochist who needs new and exquisite forms of torture to jumpstart their desire for pain--AND, as a palpable bonus, they'd have the only one at the car show. I'd tend to look at it as just another ornery XJ6 with a fake nose and eyeglasses trying to disguise itself from the unwary, but for the Jaguar sedan lover, it would be an awesome trump card to play at a car club meeting.

    I had never even heard of one.

    Can you imagine trying to find an irreplaceable body part or a replacement matching wheel?

    I'd be afraid to drive it.

    You're right about a head turner at a British Car Show. Nobody else would have one and even if they somehow did, it couldn't compare to this one!

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,445

    I suspect the body panels on the Jag interchange with any ordinary lawn ornament XJ6 from the era. The difference is the trim. It might do well at a Jag show, but 1990 isn't the golden age of the automobile for most.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    you could always display it on a flatbed trailer, which eliminates one of the biggest risks on an XJ6---starting it up.

    I'd give $3500 for it, presuming it passed a PPI and the long laundry list of factory defects had been previously addressed.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,445

    For the money he wants for it, I'd take a mint W126. It might be a guzzler with maintenance required, but it'll probably not need a tow truck. It'd impress some at a MB show, too.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,445

    560SEL has hit 15K

    Speaking of 15K, here's a renovated fintail

    I see a lot of incorrect or questionably presented details, so I don't know if I want to say "restored", but they tried.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    A lot of money for a fintail but it's a much sturdier car than a 560SEL. The $15K they spent on that 560SEL is just the FIRST $15K. I like that fintail though.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,419

    speaking of money pits, I happened to watch an early episode (1 or 2 of the series) of "texas car wars" on Velocity. One of a few shows set in texas where teams buy cars to fix/flip. to make it more challenging, this bunch gets them auctioned from really seedy junkyards.

    anyone, one bunch of rocket scientists bought a 1991 (I think) 500 (an S I guess, but the big 4 door). Not knowing if it ran, missing a headlight, etc.

    in the end, after much messing with the fuel system, they had to call in a MB specialist to try and debug. They gave up and unloaded it when the next (and probably far from final) diagnosis was needing a $1,200 throttle body.

    They dumped it for 1K + a shotgun (hey, it was rural texas!) though of course I am sure most of it was scripted for impact.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    A few years ago I bought a very decent running 560SEL for $1500---had a few small dents, and of course, various electronic things didn't work, but it was a good runner and clean inside. I had no idea why I bought it actually. I suppose because I could. Sold it to some guy in my harbor. I think it's still there, hasn't run for years though.

  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516

    That teal 560SEL looks very nice. I even like the color. It's like you're buying an almost new old Mercedes.
    The Jag XJ6 Majestic was the first I ever heard of it. I don't know about it being worth $11k. When you look at it it doesn't even look that much different than a run of the mill Jag, except for the wheels and the longer rear doors.
    Speaking of Texas Car Wars, I saw that episode too where they bought a 92 or 93 500SEL, and couldn't get it up and running. It boggles my mind that they thought they could pick up a non running Benz from a junkyard of all places and make money on it.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    Mercedes are not cars that thrive on neglect. These are not Dodge Darts from the 70s.

  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342

    @MrShift@Edmunds said:
    A few years ago I bought a very decent running 560SEL for $1500---had a few small dents, and of course, various electronic things didn't work, but it was a good runner and clean inside. I had no idea why I bought it actually. I suppose because I could. Sold it to some guy in my harbor. I think it's still there, hasn't run for years though.

    "various electronic things didn't work"

    Really? on an old Mercedes?

    Say it isn't so!

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,445

    That particular 560 might not be a huge money pit, I can't imagine someone turning it into a commuter. It's going to be a sunny Sunday driver and maybe MBCA show car. Believe it or not, you'd get a lot of looks and compliments from something like that at a make-specific show.

    They probably spent more than the asking price on the fintail, but I don't like some of the detail work. I'm really a nitpicker about being correct. I don't like that weird chrome rub strip on the door either. At least it's an SE.

    That car makes me think of my car - spend maybe 10K on engine, 10K on paint and chrome, 5K on interior, 5K on odds and ends, and it might be a show car.

    @MrShift@Edmunds said:
    A lot of money for a fintail but it's a much sturdier car than a 560SEL. The $15K they spent on that 560SEL is just the FIRST $15K. I like that fintail though.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,445

    I think the color is "diamond blue", same as a W126 I had years ago.

    Money can be made selling parts, if you are patient. My old MB specialist used to do a good business parting out cars, until he started writing repair manuals, which really took off.

    Oh yeah, I am thinking of going to auto show up there on the 30th.

    @boomchek said:
    That teal 560SEL looks very nice. I even like the color. It's like you're buying an almost new old Mercedes.

  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342

    It was a common thing in the 70's and 80's for people to have those "weird chrome rub strips" installed on their cars. The purpose was to protect the car from door dings but in the process they ruined the looks of the car.

    Sometimes they were glued on but often they actually drilled holes in the doors to install them!

    I once passed on buying an otherwise very nice 1964 Riviera because of these. The seller didn't share my opinion.

  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342

    Has anyone ever seen one of THESE?

    http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/4378170417.html

    "Only" 11,000 buys them both!

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,445

    That's what I was fearing, holes in the body from those chrome strips. I guess it wouldn't be an issue if you were going to paint, but otherwise, no fun.

    I've seen those Triumphs before, but not in that condition. Seller will be keeping them for a long time at that price.

  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516

    @fintail said:

    Oh yeah, I am thinking of going to auto show up there on the 30th.

    Come up. If I have time I'll meet up with you!

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    Triumph 1800--2000 roadsters. Woof! Woof! You might be able to sell a really pretty one all ready to go for $45,000, and you ain't gettin' from HERE to THERE with what that gentleman is offering for sale.

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454

    $800 must be the current towing and storage bill.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,445

    Sounds good. I seem to have lost your contact info, but I think we can send messages here. I am pretty sure I will attend, barring really bad weather etc.

    Regarding that Audi, a running driving one isn't worth much more, I think those can be frustrating cars.

    @boomchek said:

  • zeppelinkushzeppelinkush Member Posts: 7

    Hey guys, sorry to interrupt your discussion, but Stever suggested I post on this thread about a quick question I had.

    http://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/17434/general/x/is-an-old-60s-truck-a-good-first-car#latest

    It'd be great if I could get some insight from you guys. Thanks!

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,419

    answered over there.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,744
    edited March 2014

    "tough to find in this condition."

    Well, can't argue with that statement!

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,744

    kinda coolish plain jane

    Can't claim to have a handle on the market for these, but I'm thinking $7500 is pretty lofty.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,030

    I like that '66 New Yorker, but personally I wouldn't pay more than maybe $3000 for it. It actually looks like it's in pretty nice shape, but to command $7500, I'd think it would have to be damn near perfect, and perhaps better equipped. That one's pretty basic, with crank windows, no air conditioning, etc. Also, I don't think that seat fabric is correct. It's similar, but looks too fuzzy to be stock, IMO.

    As for the J-code 440...well, all New Yorkers used a 440 in 1966, so I'm guessing that's just the code for your run of the mill 440-4bbl. Probably put out 350 hp gross.

    I think that car is a good example of one of Chrysler's shortcomings of the era. While it's a nice, comfy, roomy car, at a quick glance it just doesn't look all that different from a Newport, which is the car that put Chrysler on the map as a high-volume division. In contrast, a Buick Electra or Olds Ninety-Eight looked like a big step up from a LeSabre or whatever 88's Olds was peddling at the time (I always get Delta, Jetstar, Delmont, Super, et al mixed up)

  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261

    That New Yorker would make a cool daily driver, but not at the price he's asking. I was relieved to see the correct hubcaps, wheels, and skirts were in the trunk. The wrong hubcaps and missing skirts already made me wanna pass on this one.

  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,119

    @lemko said:
    That New Yorker would make a cool daily driver, but not at the price he's asking. I was relieved to see the correct hubcaps, wheels, and skirts were in the trunk. The wrong hubcaps and missing skirts already made me wanna pass on this one.

    I think one skirt is missing, as noted in the ad. How hard would that be to find? I'd think they're pretty rare.

    Major no-go for me is that is doesn't have a/c. And the price, of course.

  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261

    There's a beautiful black 1965 New Yorker that shows up at the Carlisle Chrysler show and Macungie. I think the lady has her entire net worth sunk into that car. It is darn near perfect. The black finish is so nice, it makes my 2007 DTS look like it was painted with a push broom!

  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,030

    I just searched eBay...looks like skirts aren't too hard to find. Of course, you'd have to clean them up, paint them the right color, etc.

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,890

    andre, in '66 the big Olds lineup was Dynamic 88, Delta 88, Starfire, and Ninety-Eight. I think Jetstar I was gone then...but I'll have to look! In '67, Delmont 88 replaced Dynamic 88, and there was Delta 88 and Delta Custom besides Ninety-Eight. In '69, Delmont 88 went away and was replaced by Delta 88, Delta 88 Custom, Delta 88 Royale (coupe only), and Ninety-Eight.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    Let's see...looks like a #3 car at best...I'd say top top dollar on a good day with a roomful of eBay drunks stabbing the keyboard would be....about $4000. What should you pay to break even? Maybe $3500.

  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342

    @qbrozen said:
    kinda coolish plain jane

    Can't claim to have a handle on the market for these, but I'm thinking $7500 is pretty lofty.

    Hey, it will run on starting fluid!

    I wonder how much a gallon either sells for?

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    Seller is also posting nonsense...bidding on a car on eBay is not a "legal and binding contract"--in fact, eBay states quite specifically that the bidder is pretty much free to do as he wishes.

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,744

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,419

    Truck looks ok but I would want the 3" back!

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,119

    @qbrozen said:
    found a couple on craigs.

    That '62 Chrysler is the same year as one I pass every day on the way home from work. Under a cover, didn't know what it was until it ripped over a rear fender, exposed those unique taillights.

  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702

    When I first looked at that ebay '66 New Yorker it reminded me of an old movie I watched the other day called The Outfit. Interesting Robert Duvall mobster movie with a fleet of interesting Mopar movie vehicles. Duvall's character was driving a '65 Newport which looked so much like the ebay car that I went looking for the IMCDB page to get another look. Being a mob movie there were also plenty of bad guy limos including a 1971 Imperial Limousine which I'd never seen before. I got curious and even found a web site about the Imperial limousines built from '69 to '71. There's a link at the bottom of the page to a couple who found what "could be" the only (?) '71 Imperial limo built. Even if documented somehow from production line to movie screen history, is there any way a project like that could be worth saving?

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