THIS RARE OPPRTUNITY IS THE BY-PRODUCT OF A WICKED, TORRID DIVORCE. THE SELLER'S EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT AND CARE FOR THIS GTS EXCEEDED ANYTHING THAT WAS EVER PUT INTO THE RELATIONSHIP .
I'm down with the TR8. A little domestic Buick aluminum love in the British wedge. Those limos you gotta watch out for. When they get stretched like that, they are only as strong as the place that did the conversion. There was a lot of press a couple of years ago about Hummer and Expedition limos, when the OEMs said they never designed the frames to handle something like that. Basically, they said certain cars can be modified by approved coach-builders to make a safe "authorized" limo, and the hack jobs they can't be responsible for.
I couldn't make it out either, but then I went to the website and yeah, it's $4995. If it had low miles and was in really nice shape, I'd almost be tempted, as I kinda like these. However, the ad doesn't say how many miles it has.
Otherwise, it has a leather interior and the ad says it has a 3.4. But it lists the fuel economy (19/29) of the 3.1. I'm not sure, but I think in the Cutlass Supreme, the only 3.4 you could get that year was the DOHC version, which put out something like 200-215 hp, and had a nice, broad range of power, where in comparison the 3.8 would be close in 0-60, but would lose out in passing, higher-end performance, etc.
I always liked these, even though they still had that damned basket-handle B-pillar/roll bar which, IMO, kept it from being a "true" convertible.
that this ragged beast is nothing more than demolition derby fodder at this point, for for some twisted reason it appeals to me. I always liked that funky hardtop coupe style that the later versions of the LeSabre, Delta, and Catalina used. I think the Bonneville might have used it in '74 as well, but I think for '75-76 the Bonneville coupes all had fixed windows.
If I really needed a beater to drive around it, I'd consider it.
...is interesting if only for its options. Don't think I've ever seen one configured quite like that--power windows on a Catalina are a bit strange, and it has the highly unusual cornering lamps (the white things, standard on Cadillacs and Lincolns, non-flashing illumination when cornering).
Andre, buy it. There must be $200 in scrap steel in that old thing. If you were to enjoy it for only one day, it might be worth the $200. Or set it in your driveway and let it rust away, just to annoy the neighbors
looks like a total rat, but hey, at least it has a big-block under the hood! I wonder which one it is? That year they offered a 175 hp 400 dog motor, a 260 hp 400, and a 280 hp 440. There was also a 330 hp 440 6-pack, but I can tell it's not that one.
I'm guessing it's probably the dog-motor?
I like that '67 Catalina, but geeze, that's like 2 1/2 times what I paid for my convertible! It better be in DAMN good shape for that price!
And I kinda like that '69 C-10. Maybe I should go put a bullet in my '85, and replace it with that one? :shades:
Speaking of Italian cars it just occurred to me- Is there any particular reason why most Ferraris need a major service performed at 30K miles? It seems as if they need either valve jobs or timing belts done around that time.
I wonder what would happen to a Ferrari if someone maintained it like a Toyota or Chevy.
I was just talking to a customer of mine and on his new Ferrari at like 9,000 or 12,000 miles he needs a complete service that includes removal of the engine to do the timing chain.
I don't even remember how much it cost at this point cause my mind drifted away as we were looking at his car.
For just about any used Ferrari, figure roughly $1.50 a mile to drive and maintain it (not including gas and insurance).
So if you see that old 308 or 328 for a tasty price, keep in mind that you haven't begun to spend yet. With a Ferrari, a 60,000 mile car is practically a parts car---not that they won't go 60K, not at all, but that the maintenance requirements get higher and higher.
This is why you see so many Ferraris being sold just shy of the 30K mark---because that's when the $6,000 major serivce is due.
I'm not crazy about 64s and5s and 4 doors in general, but for a driver, $1200 doesn't buy much. You can get that or an early 90s GM or Ford intermediate, the choice is yours.
My niece's boyfriend bought a pretty worn Taurus for $1100. At least the Malibu will be easy to work on.
That's what I was thinking....probably better than some clapped out old Celebrity or Lumina or Taurus that's a head gasket or tranny away from the crusher.
I'm also not really a fan of the '64-65 Chevelle, but hey, for $1200 there are bigger pieces of junk out there. Now if it were a Special, Tempest, or F-85 I'd actually be more willing to fork over the $1200. I know a Chevelle is probably worth more than the B-O-P triplets, but from those years, I just like them better than the Chevelle.
I was thinking how ridiculous it is to drop the motor for basic maintenance, then I realized the Subaru requires some motor twisting to get the plugs out/adjust the valves, (I think its loosening the motor mount and twisting it to clear the frame rail, the price of a low CG I guess) and the Porsche Boxter doesn't even have a hood. At 60k, the motor is dropped, the plugs and belts changed, and re-installed. Again, might be part of why so many Boxters get dumped at 58k. As a caveat, I don't think its terribly difficult to pull the engine, but it has to come out through the bottom, so I would imagine its dropping the whole sub frame. As an aside, I'm down with the old school Chevelle. It just needs a drop, airbags and some 20s :P . Okay, just kidding.
a buck fifty per MILE?! Jeezus Chrysler! I kept pretty good records on my '68 Dart, and it ran around 11 CENTS per mile, plus gas & insurance. And that was taking it from 253,000 miles to 338,000. And amortizing the $1700 purchase price over those 85,000 miles!
Heck, I think even my Intrepid, which now has around 114,000 miles on it, only cost around 27 cents per mile, plus gas & insurance. And that's including the purchase price ($22,389 out the door, with tax, tags, an extended warranty I never had the pleasure of using, etc) amortized over those miles.
I used to joke that the Intrepid's cost per mile would never get down to the level of the Dart's cost per mile, but after hearing $1.50 per mile for a Ferrari, those other cpms are negligible!
Now would the Ferrari's cost per mile go down if you drove it more? For example, if I drove my Intrepid more and, say, it had 150,000 miles on it rather than 114,000, the cpm would be lower, because most likely I wouldn't have had to put much more $ into it, other than maintenance and maybe some tires, while the big cost factors would be spread over higher miles. Or is a Ferrari so high-maintenance that if you drive it more, you just get to the point where more things break on it quicker?
Back when I had my '69 Dart GT, which just had a slant six and was all looks and no muscle, a friend of mine called it the "Get There" edition. As in, if you hop in the car and it gets you where you're going, you got off lucky.
Sad thing is, she was driving a brand new '89 Escort at the time, and I swear my 20 year old Dart was more reliable than that thing! I remember her also being utterly amazed that I had a 2-door car with rear windows that rolled down.
You're paying for a fantastic experience in a Ferrari---it's not like an ordinary car. You want to fly the space shuttle or fly to Erie PA? If you want to go 180 mph and stay there all day long you can do that in a Ferrari.
A Ferrari shop has all the special tools to pull the motor and this makes it easier (for him, not you) . A regular mechanic can't even work on the car. Even the computer scan tools are unique. There's a special frame you roll under the car and attach the motor and subframe to that. A fan belt is $100 and there are perhaps 6 or 7 of those (special size, cogged, etc.)
Well, if you want to get technical, the upper corners of the windows did stick up, just a tiny bit...maybe 1/4 inch or so. Still, for all intents and purposes, it was all the way. And being a hardtop, with no B-pillar, impressed this chick as well. I dated one of her best friends, who wasn't exactly an automotive genius, either. This was about a year before, when I still had my 1980 Malibu. I remember at a traffic light a car pulled up next to us and she said "Oh, there's a car just like yours!" I turned and looked...it was a 1975 or so Delta 88.
is a Ferrari to ride in? I can't imagine that something that low-slung is going to have much interior room, ride very comfortably, or be very quiet with that engine right behind you.
I don't doubt that they're fun...in small doses. I mean, roller coasters and go-karts are, too. But after riding a go-kart for about a half-hour, you're pretty beat-up, and the last time I went to Kings Dominion, those roller coasters had me pretty bruised and battered by the end of the day, too!
To me, a Ferrari sounds like a car that would be better suited to rent and take out on a closed course and have some fun with. And then give it back when you're done with it, so you don't get stuck with all the costs. Or, if you were so filthy rich that a buck fifty per mile was chicken-droppings.
A French car with tailfins? And a 4-speed on the tree? Are thse heaps worth anything? I did LIKE the 504 model-it was a well-designed car, with good seats. Heck, Peugeot used to call itself the "French Mercedes"-except parts used to fall off them!
I belive, correct me if I am wrong, that if a mechanic works on a ferrari that is not ferrari certfied it voids the warranty on the car any way.
I have ridden in a 575M that one of my customers has. Our sales manager drove it but I just rode along with the customer for a couple of miles. This is the guy that wouldn't take deliver of the car till we all road in his new Ferrari.
I have to say it was an real experience. His car had the F1 style manual shifters as well.
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The asking price on this one is pure democracy in action, though.
Doesn't that explain a few things?
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Oh the humanity
Probably the highest mileage example ever
This looks like a better than most survivor
Not a bad deal if you look at it soley from a size perspective
Looks better than most, but that's steep
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
Otherwise, it has a leather interior and the ad says it has a 3.4. But it lists the fuel economy (19/29) of the 3.1. I'm not sure, but I think in the Cutlass Supreme, the only 3.4 you could get that year was the DOHC version, which put out something like 200-215 hp, and had a nice, broad range of power, where in comparison the 3.8 would be close in 0-60, but would lose out in passing, higher-end performance, etc.
I always liked these, even though they still had that damned basket-handle B-pillar/roll bar which, IMO, kept it from being a "true" convertible.
And yeah, I expect that sad W140 limo to bend/sag at the middle
Look at the wheelbase on that thing! That would be impossible to drive here... heck, you'd bottom out over a frost heave! :surprise:
If I really needed a beater to drive around it, I'd consider it.
Somehow, I don't think the picture is of the actual car for sale
Price seems high for the miles on this one, too
Looks good in the pictures, but probably needs a fair amount of work
One for fintail
LOL at "Toyota Red Color sports car"
'one for fintail' is that same old Nova..oops
The last of the "good" Es
"Going back to Jeeps, more room to work on the engine." Yeah, I bet.
This has an extra 0
This one seems to be underpriced.
A friend for Andre's Bonneville
More temptation for Andre
Must not have been a good year
I'm guessing it's probably the dog-motor?
I like that '67 Catalina, but geeze, that's like 2 1/2 times what I paid for my convertible! It better be in DAMN good shape for that price!
And I kinda like that '69 C-10. Maybe I should go put a bullet in my '85, and replace it with that one? :shades:
What is with this old thing? Is it worth the asking price?
I think the extra '0' on that Infiniti came from the Chevelle.
Wouldn't call it "rare" though--they made about 7,000 of them....
I wonder what would happen to a Ferrari if someone maintained it like a Toyota or Chevy.
if you maintained a Ferrari like a Chevy or Toyota it would blow up.
If you drove a Toyota or Chevy like a Ferrari, they would blow up.
I don't even remember how much it cost at this point cause my mind drifted away as we were looking at his car.
So if you see that old 308 or 328 for a tasty price, keep in mind that you haven't begun to spend yet. With a Ferrari, a 60,000 mile car is practically a parts car---not that they won't go 60K, not at all, but that the maintenance requirements get higher and higher.
This is why you see so many Ferraris being sold just shy of the 30K mark---because that's when the $6,000 major serivce is due.
My niece's boyfriend bought a pretty worn Taurus for $1100. At least the Malibu will be easy to work on.
As an aside, I'm down with the old school Chevelle. It just needs a drop, airbags and some 20s :P . Okay, just kidding.
Heck, I think even my Intrepid, which now has around 114,000 miles on it, only cost around 27 cents per mile, plus gas & insurance. And that's including the purchase price ($22,389 out the door, with tax, tags, an extended warranty I never had the pleasure of using, etc) amortized over those miles.
I used to joke that the Intrepid's cost per mile would never get down to the level of the Dart's cost per mile, but after hearing $1.50 per mile for a Ferrari, those other cpms are negligible!
Now would the Ferrari's cost per mile go down if you drove it more? For example, if I drove my Intrepid more and, say, it had 150,000 miles on it rather than 114,000, the cpm would be lower, because most likely I wouldn't have had to put much more $ into it, other than maintenance and maybe some tires, while the big cost factors would be spread over higher miles. Or is a Ferrari so high-maintenance that if you drive it more, you just get to the point where more things break on it quicker?
Sad thing is, she was driving a brand new '89 Escort at the time, and I swear my 20 year old Dart was more reliable than that thing! I remember her also being utterly amazed that I had a 2-door car with rear windows that rolled down.
That's great. Made my laugh for the evening!!!
>rear windows that rolled down
I'll bet they went ALL the way down, didn't they. I'd forgotten that some cars used to have those instead of windows that went down about 10 inches.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
A Ferrari shop has all the special tools to pull the motor and this makes it easier (for him, not you) . A regular mechanic can't even work on the car. Even the computer scan tools are unique. There's a special frame you roll under the car and attach the motor and subframe to that. A fan belt is $100 and there are perhaps 6 or 7 of those (special size, cogged, etc.)
I don't doubt that they're fun...in small doses. I mean, roller coasters and go-karts are, too. But after riding a go-kart for about a half-hour, you're pretty beat-up, and the last time I went to Kings Dominion, those roller coasters had me pretty bruised and battered by the end of the day, too!
To me, a Ferrari sounds like a car that would be better suited to rent and take out on a closed course and have some fun with. And then give it back when you're done with it, so you don't get stuck with all the costs. Or, if you were so filthy rich that a buck fifty per mile was chicken-droppings.
I have ridden in a 575M that one of my customers has. Our sales manager drove it but I just rode along with the customer for a couple of miles. This is the guy that wouldn't take deliver of the car till we all road in his new Ferrari.
I have to say it was an real experience. His car had the F1 style manual shifters as well.