I wish it were that easy... unfortunately I don't have any leased cars. I just need to have four cars by the end of september, and I have only three now, having recently dumped my Acrua RL. I'm thinking of using something like leasetrader.com to get a short term RX330 lease.
Your Lexus dealer will probably work with you if he knows you want a short term bridge lease/rental to the LS600HL. I almost was in a situation like that and they were ready to do whatever I wanted.
Lexus will not price the LS460/600 above the BMW 7. The 600h will be lower than the 760 as well as both the 600h and 760 will be and are below the S600.
Lexus has always priced its cars below MB and BMW.
As with all Lexus cars the LS will offer more car for less the price with just as much prestige.
750i-MSRP $71,800 750li-MSRP $75,800 760li(hence only US will get LW 600h)MSRP $118,900 S550 Do I really want to put it on here? $86,175 is it really worth it? S600 $140,675
Once again please understand that the new LS is the best and most technological car in the world
GS, IS, ES are all lower than MBs and BMWs C, E, 3, and 5.
MB needs to do some re thinking. MB sells 13 models of cars and over 40 variants of them, but can barely out sell Cadillac in 2005 while Lexus 8 models, BMW 7 models, and Cadillac 6(8 if ESV & EXT are add to Escalade).
Lexus will not change the pricing of the new LS too much compared with the current LS. The current Ultra Lux Package has almost everything the new LS will offer and is only $13.5. Add that to the base of $58K and add a few thousand here and there for the other new extras and $75K is hard to reach. My guess for the fully loaded LS460L is $72K. The 600 will have a $10K to $15K premium over the loaded LS460L so figure $82K to $87K but more is not justified. Compare them to the Germans and make decisions based on your needs. They are all excellent cars with different personalities.
Hello all. This year we will be trading in our S55 and going to another brand. Mercedes Benz has just been way to unreliable for us. So now we are looking at the BMW 750 and Lexus LS460. I am leaning towards the Lexus because we are concerned about reliability. I was wondering if anyone else was comparing between these two and if there were any major aspects that would make you choose either one. It's hard to go from the S55 AMG to the Lexus because I feel like I will loose the PIZZAZZZZZ and I feel the Bimmer can offer a little more. Although the new Lexus is nice, I'm not sure if it will all add up.
I think you will get plenty of PIZZAZZZZZ with the new LS460. I don't have the ratings in front of me right now, but I believe it will go from zero to 60 in 5.1 seconds. Isn't that enough PIZZAZZZZZ? Plus, you will be getting technoligical features and luxury that are probably not surpassed by the Bimmer. The Lexus reliability over the years has been unmatched. By the way, if you want to wait a few more months, go for the LS600HL. That should blow you away. It will be available sometime between January and March of 2007.
Don't know what your definition of PIZZAZZZZ is, but if it is only 0-60, buy the Lexus. If you care about 0-60, but also turning circle, handling, road feel, or almost any other non-straight line consideration, you better test the BMW. In any case, treat whatever you buy with respect and it will likely care for you for many, many miles.
The BMW along with most any german make will likely visit the repair doctor either sooner or later. The Japanese usually bring out the big broom on all quality surveys so that's no real contest. As the competition has caught up, Lexus soon again will leave them in the dust on innovation technology, quality/durability. The LS 600 IS the most advanced car in the world and in a class by it's self as the others have nothing like it.
Also, re: the BMW 7 series, it's due for a new body style in 2008...similar to current, but toned down, not a bulbous in the spy photos. Get the LEXUS.
Thanks guys for the input. Most likely we will go with the Lexus but I'm trying to prepare for the decrease in horsepower from the AMG to the Lexus engine. Even though I'm sure the lexus will hold up much better in the end. I'm not to crazy about the Hybrid version but I will research it a little more. Thanks!
Congratulations on swallowing the usual "quality" issue hook, line and sinker. You may be amazed to know that there actually are German cars that do NOT break down, and do beat the crap out of their Japanese rivals by a mile. I offer my 97 BMW 528 experience as but one REAL example. As of today: 144057 miles on the clock. Other than normal maintenance (i.e. oil, filters, brake linings, belts, plugs, tires, etc), I have only had to have some power steering work (seals, etc) done, which with labor cost around $600. Yep, some people have other stories, as do those who own Lexi. You go ahead and buy your LS600 - no doubt an excellent car. I'll keep my bimmer - also an excellent car.
The problem is that type of reliability is the rule with the Japanese and the exception with the Germans. Count your blessings and good luck on it happening again.
Come on, get over it. BMW is not as reliable or dependable as LExus...You have to give that to Lexus...Lexus does not handle as well as BMW...give everyone their due.
I have had 3 BMW's-all totally reliable. Who am I going to believe- a statistic or my own real life experience? Lexus has NOTHING over BMW, IMO.
This falls into the realm of statements like "My grandmother smoked two packs a day and lived until she was 99, and my grandfather smoked two packs a day and lived until he was 95, so I know from my own real life experience that smoking does not cause cancer and indeed leads to longer lives."
Do you think people are so stupid as to put their hard earned money on such a risky proposition as the statistics concerning BMW reliability would have you believe? If people believed BMW's are pieces of junk which are destined to fall apart, you wouldn't see any on the road.
On the other hand, cigarette sales are way, way down in the USA since the 1960's.
So which statistic do people believe: cigarettes cause cancer or BMW's are unreliable?
Geez, just because YOU had 3 BMW's that were reliable, doesn't make it true that BMW is more reliable than Lexus. Look at the JD Power and other numbers that consider ALL owners on automobiles...You are very biased or don't possess basic reasoning skills...Hey, I drove an IS 300 and it was faster than the BMW325, so using your logic, all Lexus are faster than BMW's...hey it's my own real life experience...
Actually, BMW is one of the more reliable German makes. Not up there with Porsche, but clearly more reliable than MB. If the 7 were available AWD I would even consider it for my next car.
I don't believe that BMW is unreliable, but I do believe that it is less reliable that Lexus.
All of these luxury cars are so much better reliability-wise than 10-20 years ago, that no one has to fear buying one because of "poor reliability." Whether one brand is more reliable than another is virtually meaningless and comes down to annoying little things, not major engine trouble.
When was the last time you saw a BMW or MB stuck on the side of the road waiting for AAA?
Hey. I drove an IS and a 3 series and the 3 series handled much better. One may infer that all BMW's handle better than all Lexus vehicles, WHICH THEY DO!
Hey. It's my own real life experience. Mine and everyone elses'! :P
Thanks for stepping in while I was catching some ZZZZs
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Does anyone know what the hold button on the left side of the LS steering wheel is for. It looks like the hand break symbol. I think you push it in when completely stopped in a traffic jam or behind a red light and it stops the car from moving forward. May require a light touch on the break (enough to turn the break lights on). There is also a similar button on the right side with no symbol. What is that for?
Eye sore it here in H-town in February at the Auto Show, parked maybe 10 yards away from a $102k 2007 S550.
It was on a pedestal in lights, in a Anthracite color. The S was just laying in the middle of the floor, with no image lighting or display.
The LS was better-looking, more for not making any mistakes, and the rear-end is head-and-shoulders better than the S, but the S' front maybe slightly more aggressive and attractive.
The chrome accent on the bottom of the doors is slick! :shades:
I was wondering what you folks are experiencing at your Lexus dealers. I live in the Savannah, GA market area and was surprised to find our dealer already had over 30 deposits securing a spot when the new LS starts to ship. They are requiring a $2000 fully refundable deposit to be added to the list.
I went ahead and put a deposit down as I'm pretty sure after seeing this car in person and test driving it I will want to deal.
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Read up a few pages and you'll find some suggestions of prices for these cars. In my last trip to Japan (last month), the LS600hL was compared to the S500L (equivalent to S550 here) and the projected price for the 600hL was Y12million, which should translate to about $100K. But that is for the Japan market which typically has a 10-20K uplift over the US prices.
Doesn't seem right that you can get a 460L for less than a standard 460. I think the 460L will start just a little higher than the 460 tops out. I believe the 460L will come with many features as standard, whereas many of these same features will be priced as options on the 460. What does anyone else think?
In the theoretical world of pricing, a 460 optioned to the hilt may/will cost more than a stripped entry level 460L. But it'll be a custom order as Lexus will never ship them that way. In 2001 when I was shopping the S Class you could also load up an S430 and be beyond the S500 starting point. But it was a custom order. It was illogical to place such an order but people get carried away with what they are doing when they are buying sometimes and lose sight of the obvious.
In the theoretical world of pricing, a 460 optioned to the hilt may/will cost more than a stripped entry level 460L. But it'll be a custom order as Lexus will never ship them that way.
I agree...
Personally speaking, if I can get a base 460L at $66K I'd pull the trigger, otherwise a mid-level loaded 460 at $63K would do it for me. I suspect a base LWB will probably be close to $70K than to $65K. Maybe I'm wrong but I hope the forecast of price comes real close.... If the LWB is at $70K base, I'd opt for the SWB trim...
Actually, as far as I'm concerned, there are many instances in which a lower model may and should cost more.
For example, if I want a non LWB model, but I want all the goodies on the L model and some of the optional ones as well, that would be reasonable, and I would expect to pay more than the base LWB model.
A perfect example is the MB E-class. If I want only a V6, but I want to load up the options, I can make it more expensive than the base V8.
I understand what you are saying, but IMO the 460L will be loaded with almost all the goodies in the base price, hence driving the price up. MBenz can price how ever they want, I don't think Lexus will do the same.
The dealers have received a memo from Lexus stating the price of a fully loaded 460L will be approx $96,000. Same memo said the back seat lounges are not suitable for someone taller than 5'10". I assume a 15000 premium for the "fully loaded" makes the base MSRP of a 460L=81,000
I would place the 460 at around $61K-63K then adding about 2600-3000 for the actual increase in wheelbase plus another $3500 for the HD Nav and XM features plus $500 for the Automatic trunk open/closing bringing the 460L at or around 65K to 67K. Thats my logic
More info: go to Club Lexus in forum for LS460 is a letter from Georgia Lexus dealer with pricing for all 3 models and accessory codes--you gotta see this info. It says 94,000.
So then what does the hybrid go for - 110-115K?? I doubt that data is accurate. Could be the $96K is the 600HL. That would make sense though I was told that the 600HL would get to $102K fully loaded. We'll see, but I don't see Lexus pricing the loaded 460L at $96K. That would go against the announcements that the execs made at the Detroit and NY shows when they said pricing would continue to seriously undercut the competition. I see the loaded 460L at $15K cheaper than your post with most models being delivered in the $76-77K range.
The letter from Nalley Lexus in Georgia does not have the HL prices in it--only LS460 & LS460L. It appears the list for a LS460 comparable to my Modern Luxury 04 LS430 will be $72,000. I had hoped for somewhere around 68,000!
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Good luck.
The 600h will be lower than the 760 as well as both the 600h and 760 will be and are below the S600.
Lexus has always priced its cars below MB and BMW.
As with all Lexus cars the LS will offer more car for less the price with just as much prestige.
750i-MSRP $71,800
750li-MSRP $75,800
760li(hence only US will get LW 600h)MSRP $118,900
S550 Do I really want to put it on here? $86,175 is it really worth it?
S600 $140,675
Once again please understand that the new LS is the best and most technological car in the world
GS, IS, ES are all lower than MBs and BMWs C, E, 3, and 5.
MB needs to do some re thinking. MB sells 13 models of cars and over 40 variants of them, but can barely out sell Cadillac in 2005 while Lexus 8 models, BMW 7 models, and Cadillac 6(8 if ESV & EXT are add to Escalade).
Even if they were, I am unwilling to commit to the LS until I see it (at least an LS460), so by then I will have already needed the car.
Oh well, I'm sure I'll figure out something.
Thanks.
I would hope a loaded LS460L would reach the low $80's. Then add $5-7k for AWD/Hybrid.
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Three BMW's in 13 years and no problems.
An incredible fluke that the only 2 people who have been lucky with BMW's in the world are posting here.
I have had 3 BMW's-all totally reliable.
Who am I going to believe- a statistic or my own real life experience?
Lexus has NOTHING over BMW, IMO.
This falls into the realm of statements like "My grandmother smoked two packs a day and lived until she was 99, and my grandfather smoked two packs a day and lived until he was 95, so I know from my own real life experience that smoking does not cause cancer and indeed leads to longer lives."
BMW sales are going through the roof!
Do you think people are so stupid as to put their hard earned money on such a risky proposition as the statistics concerning BMW reliability would have you believe?
If people believed BMW's are pieces of junk which are destined to fall apart, you wouldn't see any on the road.
On the other hand, cigarette sales are way, way down in the USA since the 1960's.
So which statistic do people believe: cigarettes cause cancer or BMW's are unreliable?
I don't believe that BMW is unreliable, but I do believe that it is less reliable that Lexus.
It's all about the handling, and there the IS cannot compete with the BMW 3 series.
When was the last time you saw a BMW or MB stuck on the side of the road waiting for AAA?
One may infer that all BMW's handle better than all Lexus vehicles, WHICH THEY DO!
Hey. It's my own real life experience.
Mine and everyone elses'! :P
If you have a particlular insight, or beef, with the Next LS, let 'er rip! But let's stay focused, and keep our eyes on the prize!
Hey, I should be a Hostess with the Mostess!
DrFill
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http://www.lexus.com/greatadvances/
Also check out the real life pictures from southern Calif:
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223240&page=2&pp=15
It was on a pedestal in lights, in a Anthracite color.
The S was just laying in the middle of the floor, with no image lighting or display.
The LS was better-looking, more for not making any mistakes, and the rear-end is head-and-shoulders better than the S, but the S' front maybe slightly more aggressive and attractive.
The chrome accent on the bottom of the doors is slick! :shades:
DrFill
I went ahead and put a deposit down as I'm pretty sure after seeing this car in person and test driving it I will want to deal.
Thanks for sticking to the 07 LS!
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My guestimates are:
LS460: $60 - 75K
LS460L: $65 - 80K
LS600hL: $80 - 100K
We'll probably not know actual prices until a few weeks to release in September, which gives us another 6-8 weeks to speculate.
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I agree...
Personally speaking, if I can get a base 460L at $66K I'd pull the trigger, otherwise a mid-level loaded 460 at $63K would do it for me. I suspect a base LWB will probably be close to $70K than to $65K. Maybe I'm wrong but I hope the forecast of price comes real close.... If the LWB is at $70K base, I'd opt for the SWB trim...
For example, if I want a non LWB model, but I want all the goodies on the L model and some of the optional ones as well, that would be reasonable, and I would expect to pay more than the base LWB model.
A perfect example is the MB E-class. If I want only a V6, but I want to load up the options, I can make it more expensive than the base V8.
http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/sh...ig/ppuser/34751