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Toyota FJ Cruiser



  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    Are you sure? I don't think it is - at least i couldn't find it. But 4000 pounds for the 4WD is a good estimate I think. Since it is smaller than the Tacoma, which weighs around 4000, I have faint hopes that it will come in at more like 3800, but I'm not holding my breath.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • Frankly, MPG is not going to be a factor for most folks thinking about this vehicle because it is overdesigned for just street use. If you want to chase MPGs, you should look into one of the Toyota's hybrids such as Prius or hybrid Highlander (coming out this summer). Of course, do not expect to ever make back the $4-5k premium that Toyota (and dealers) are currently... charging. You might have a chance if you drive 30-40k miles/year in city traffic. Just some "dollars and sense"...
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    sells Prius at premium. But that may not be common, I dunno. They say the wait list is down to 2-8 weeks.

    It is true that for a real truck, this projected fuel economy is pretty decent. If you want a small SUV and don't need to go offroad or do anything else "trucky", then RAV or Highlander would be better choices.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • gringo1gringo1 Posts: 72
    Outfitted by its Legacy: Toyota's new FJ Cruiser provides kicks for today
    Published Date: 2/28/05
    ON SALE: 2006
    From the weblink reference:

    BASE PRICE: $23,000 (est.)
    POWERTRAIN: 4.0-liter, 245-hp, 282-lb-ft V6; rwd/4wd, five-speed automatic
    CURB WEIGHT: 4000 lbs (est.)
    0 TO 60 MPH: 8.0 seconds (est.)

    If the interior is as spartan as Toyota claims, there can't be a lot of weight.

    Oh, wait, those 20 inch tires, silly me.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    I see. Thank you! :-)

    Imagine if the actual production model came with 20" rims - like the Ram or something. Not likely, thank goodness!

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • togloondatogloonda Posts: 16
    care what this thing is aimed at

    I (me) want something with this capability

    AND I want some kind of mpg for commuting

    I want my cake and I want to eat it too.
  • togloondatogloonda Posts: 16
    please no bling

    functional and spartan
  • cbr600rrcbr600rr Posts: 19
    Well you will have to wait for your cake then! Toyota is working on making hybrid technology available in all their vehicles, but it will be a while before it's available in an FJ, if ever. You're best bet is to get a cheap, fuel efficent vehicle like a Corolla or Civic for commuting and keep the FJ for the fun stuff.

    You can expect the FJ to get about 20-22 mpg (hwy).

    As for pricing, I am sure the fully loaded models will be coming close to 28k, similar to the Tacoma. 100% worth the price IMO, it's a Toyota afterall!
  • mrjjgittesmrjjgittes Posts: 156
    I used to have a "cheap" small car for commuting, and another "fun" car, but after a while it became apparent that the 2 car route just does not make financial sense, when insurance, payments/cost to purchase, registration, and maintenence, are all factored in. In short, you just will not make up the costs through the gas mileage difference unless you are diving 40 or 50k miles a year and the difference in efficiency of the 2 cars is huge. Of course if money is no object, and the fun car is a something exotic or completely impractical, maybe it works. But then, gas prices are not really the issue...
  • mrjjgittes: your are right, financially it is typically not possible to make a go of it with 2 cars per a person.

    But: 2 very different cars can make sense if you have a spouse that has similar utility and desires. It is plausable to have a smaller sporty car for commuting and and SUV for family ski outings to the mountains. I have tried that: wife was orginally driving a sports car and I used the SUV during the week whereas sports car was fun on the weekends; later when our patterns changed, I got the sports car full-time and she got the SUV...

    Irony: we now have 2 SUVs!
  • mrjjgittesmrjjgittes Posts: 156
    Whether environmentalist folks like them are not, there are reasons why SUVs are so popular, and many families have two. They are very useful. I have one now, and may replace the car we have with a second. I used to love sports cars, but now I just get clostrophobic in them. I drove 5 hours to Vegas in a Boxster recently. Torture. And puttering around that town in stop and go was even worse. The question I have now is whether to wait for the FJ, or maybe get a 4runner now. Pretty much decided on some type of toyota though, current problems with the Tacoma notwithstanding.
  • Personally, I have an older (G2) 4Runner that I am planning to replace even though it is still running very strong. Until FJ release was anounced, G4 4Runner was one of the potential replacements (with WRX, G35x...). However, there is now a reason to wait: even if FJ is not to my liking, 4Runner prices are likely to drop after FJ is released.

    Furthermore, car prices are probably only going tread downward over the next couple of years.
  • Togloonda: Why what?

    The prices on the 4Runner should go down due to increased competition from other brands and cannibalization of sales. 4Runner sales have slipped over the past decade due to releases of Toyota products such as Highlander, Crewcab Taco, etc. as well as additional competion from new SUVs like Pilot, Touraeg, etc.

    FYI: SUVs have had some of the highest markups in the automobile industry!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    that's a pretty diverse group of vehicles you are looking at to replace your G2 4Runner! I also have a G2, and the FJ looks to be the closest thing to it in spec among trucks available now (or soon, anyway). Sort of like a mini-G4 4Runner.

    C&D just did a comparo of offroading among midsize truck-based SUVs - the new 4Runner scored fifth out of six. The only reason it didn't come dead last was because the never-very-rugged Explorer XLT edged it out.

    I am looking for the FJ to put Toyota back on top of the offroad game....

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • Well, if I want to replace the off-road capabilities, I would have to go with a new 4Runner or FJ. I want an AWD or 4WD for snow but I might consider less off-roady vehicle with much better preformance: 0-60 in about 6 sec and similar to the MR2 Turbo that I used to drive. However, I am (currently) morally opposed to paying over $35k for a vehicle so that does not leave much. Maybe the new Lexus IS could fit...

    I think that there are now a number of decent off-road vehicles but most of them are horrid on-road or they have horrible reliability... and that is too much to sacrifice! Frankly, the 4Runner has slipped a bit by moving too much upscale and away from its original roots. I test drove it in '03 when it came out but it lost out to Pilot: no 3rd row, plastic fenders and funky (useless) option combos and price... They finally have fixed most of those and now offer a 5-speed in a V6. Still, it is very difficult to find side currtains without going all out and getting into the Limited.

    My $0.02.
  • Nipponly: I have taken my G2 4Runner on the Broken Arrow trail a number of times (running stock and on 30" tires) when I lived in AZ. This is a very serious ride in a stock 4x4. Most will scrape something and the only way to avoid that is to get a lift. I cannot believe that anyone would try it with only 8" of clearance or in an Exloder. However, I am surpised that some vehicles would lift tires off the ground (lacking articulation) yet rank better than the G4 4Runner.

    You're right, FJ will do better because of its geometry...
  • Actually, that test is not looking at only off road capabilities because most ratings are given to fuffy stuff like comfort and "desirability". 4Runner does score very high in drive terrain and braking which are MOST important off road. This is a pretty bogus test IMHO!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    with 4Runner now is poor departure and breakover angles. Well, and stock ground clearance is down 2 inches versus my G2 running on 31" tires. But that is less important - some pretty decent offroad trucks have less than ten inches of running ground clearance nowadays.

    As you say, the geometry of the FJ should eliminate those problems. A stock 4x4 Tacoma is running ten inches of ground clearance even now, I think, so FJ should do the same. And with much shorter overhangs and a shorter wheelbase, I expect most of the other numbers to fall right into line.

    I wanna check out this Broken Arrow!

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • gringo1gringo1 Posts: 72
    The steering wheel looks too small and not approachable except when you are pulled up very close to it.

    Unless Toyota wants your arms to fatigue from being stretched out in front of you, Toyota better make that driver relation to the steering wheel more flexible, from all degrees of the 360.
  • I like the FJ, but was hoping the white roof would be optional. Can't remember where I read the article (Could have been Autoweek, MT, or C&D), but it listed the production model's features, and it left me with the impression that the white roof would be standard (Because it is a distinct element of the FJ's retro design).
    If I find the article I will post it. Still haven't read anything saying it would be optional.
    I hope Toyota jumps on the bandwagon and offers XM radio on the FJ.

  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    the white roof it will remind me of a monster overhuge Mini. :-)

    I wouldn't mind it - goes well with the blue.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • jcutterjcutter Posts: 5
    I'd love to get in towards the front of the line on this.
  • Keep in mind the original FJ concept interior: scroll to the bottom for interior pictures. ;)
  • goltgogoltgo Posts: 54
    Of the last batch of six at the bottom of that page, the first one on the left appears to show the rear seats without much legroom in front of them and without much cargo room behind them. Then the second picture down on the right appears to show a decent amount of cargo room behind the second row. Does anyone else see it that way, or is it just me?
  • canuck3canuck3 Posts: 6

    I found a picture in a Canadian website about Toyota corporate culture. Nevermind the story. The picture shown in the article is interesting though. It says it's the FTX hybrid pickup but sure looks a lot like the FJ cruiser. What do you think of it. I think the hard metal dash could be dangerous in a crash if you are thrown against it and it has no give at all.
    Toyota guy.
  • gringo1gringo1 Posts: 72
    Two page article FJ Cruiser.

    Sketchy, speculative.

    Whether true or not, article states:

    final assy will be Japan,
    $22k to $27k,
  • The 2006 Land Cruiser will be on a short leash, coming out before summer in June.

    This leads me to believe this will be the last year for the REAL one. When this thing comes out, the REAL on will disappear Fall of '06. :cry:

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