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Toyota FJ Cruiser

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    It's a 4-door with Element-like rear suicide doors. Knowing Toyota, they're likely to nickel-&-dime you to death with optional packages. Yes base models may be cheap, but it likely won't have the equipment you want.

    Bob
  • If you can find a base model.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    I am sure they will play the usual games with the packages half-full of crap you don't want. They are Toyota, after all.

    But I have been encouraged to see that Toyota is making a lot of Camrys available now in standard and LE trims with no options except the curtain airbags, so who knows - maybe they have turned a corner?

    I am sure they will build most of the 4x4s with the "optional" offroad package, which is OK by me since I would want that stuff (well, not the cosmetic frippery Toyota always seems to include with the offroad packages, but the actual hardware, yes). And if they build them all fully loaded with a $28K sticker, then they will have shot themselves in the foot - way to go Toyota.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • Is looking for volume sales on this model, and if it is priced like the bigger, 4-door Xterra, it won't get much volume.

    If you guys think this thing is so great, $26-28k should be no problem! You'll be the only one in your neighborhood (or the next neighborhood) to have one.

    Although, I know a guy with a Geo Metro Convertible.....

    DrFill
  • gringo1gringo1 Posts: 72
    I asked Toyota to re-consider the vertical door handles, the double hung mirrors, and the more expansive grille, all on the concept vehicle but changed on the latest Chicago show vehicle.

    Here is the response. Maybe if enough people give their opinions on the FAQ Toyota.com site, they will re-consider.

    Gringo1

    "Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.
    We appreciate the opportunity to document your comments regarding the FJCruiser

    The information on our website regarding the FJ Cruiser is still pre-production information. We have no information on whether or not the features you described will be "added back" to the final version of this vehicle.

    Your email has been documented at our National Headquarters under file #200502281122. If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us.

    Toyota Customer Experience
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
     If you guys think this thing is so great, $26-28k should be no problem! You'll be the only one in your neighborhood (or the next neighborhood) to have one.

    Not me. I'm not in the market. I'm just commenting, like most people here.

    Bob
  • If you guys think this thing is so great, $26-28k should be no problem!

    I thought it was great at $20-22K base.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    it's pretty great either way, but I won't have one at $28K. At $25K I will think about it. At $22K it is a no-brainer. (4x4 6-speed)

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • But would they sell any of them at prices approaching $28K? If the answer is yes, then we can expect them to price it accordingly, as I am sure they would rather make a large profit per vehicle than to try and sell a higher number of vehicles for significantly less profit.
  • mrjjgittesmrjjgittes Posts: 156
    If the pricing of the new tacoma is any indication ($30k+ for a "loaded" model, w/o leather of course), I am sure I will be also disappointed with the FJ.
  • "I am sure they would rather make a large profit per vehicle than to try and sell a higher number of vehicles for significantly less profit."

    If the price approaches 30k, the total profit will be much less because much fewer will be sold, and I am sure Toyota realizes this which is why they used the term "extremely affordable".
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    no way could you call $30K "affordable" for a two-door compact SUV.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • bpraxisbpraxis Posts: 292
    We may all be in for a surprise give the very reasonable pricing of Scion products which undercut even the Koreans regarding price to value.

    The FJ has the chasis and engine of the 4Runner so if the price is lower than $26,000.00 it is a grand slam home run.

    To have the very distinctive fun styling with the robust Toyota underpinnings will be in a class by itself.

    Who says that Toyota produces boring products has not been paying attention.

    By the way the interior of the FJ is a work of art, so once again the price to value should be very attractive IMO.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    it will be a great value at $25-26K, but when you give a vehicle edgy styling like this one has, you are chasing a younger buyer, which Toyota has come right out and said (someone apparently took notice of the fact that at the FJ concept showing in 2003, more kids were circling it than the cars on the Scion stand). Problem is, the younger buyers will not be dropping $25-26K on their trucks, they will be buying Hyundais and pick-ups instead.

    I still say if Toyota can make a 4WD V-6 6-speed XtraCab Tacoma for $23K, they should be able to do the same for the FJ. So I am hoping for a $23K 4x4 FJ with a manual shift.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • robmatt54robmatt54 Posts: 11
    what are the exterior differences that were made from the 2003 concept to the 2005 prototype and should they put any of those changes back in the final version??
  • This rig won't sell more than 40-50k, at the VERY outside.

    Even if it shares a platform with others, the interior is totally unique, and it's lack of volume will hurt it in production costs.

    Toyota builds 150-180k Tacomas, just for the US, plus has a relationship with suppliers for it's parts.

    Such a new vehicle will not have that advantage.

    Will there be a 2WD? If they make just one trim level at $24,995, that's your best shot.

    DrFill
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    there will be a 2WD. It will get a limited slip for the rear. And knowing Toyota, there will probably be an SR5 with more equipment, like power mirrors, cruise, and privacy glass, that gets left out of the base model.

    I am betting on a base model 4WD or a 2WD SR5 both being priced at $23K.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • bpraxisbpraxis Posts: 292
    Some of you have mentioned that you feel the FJ will appeal to younger kids and pricing may be a problem.

    As 46 years of age I love the FJ and feel that many others my age will be drawn to the styling.

    Witness the popularity of the Honda Element and Scion models with the middle aged.

    The FJ just may cross a wide swath of demographics IMO.
  • gringo1gringo1 Posts: 72
    What do folks think of the interior?

    The concept showed some non-comfort hard plastic back seats like you'd see in a school cafeteria.

    Also, a rhino-lining look to the cargo area.

    I think these spartan features (which I like) may narrow the FJ appeal.

    Which means I won't have trouble finding one at a reasonable price.

    Worst thing that could happen for pricing is for some mania to develop about grabbing the first 40,000 units.

    Enough ramble. Any thoughts?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    that was just for show. The real thing will probably have seats similar to the Tacoma/4Runner. Or maybe exactly the same - economies of scale, after all.

    Now the cargo area probably will be very spartan - they are going for that "hose it out" look of functionality, even if it can't actually be hosed out.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • ejjejj Posts: 36
    All kinds of people who have no use for this vehicle will buy it. 48 year old guys who want to buy something fun because they have been driving a Camry wagon for ten years, and the car seats are finally in the dump. Sure, the off-road nature of it is great, but really it's the credentials that come with it that most buyers will want. It might even get more people to the dealership--who end up buying something else. With the PT cruiser, the Mini, the Bug, and many others as evidence, you just cant tell what is going to happen with these "statement" cars. Ford packaged up the Thunderbird for just the right affluent American buyer. Lots of hype. Flop. I dunno. I need to see it in real person--in some colors that will look good after 8 years.
  • bpraxisbpraxis Posts: 292
    The T Bird was too expensive with poor reviews from most of the car mags regarding ride quality.

    Mini Stars at $17,000

    PT now starts at $14,000

    Bug starts at $17,000

    TBird starts at $38,000.00, you must be kidding for a Ford??? Very limited market. For that amount of money why not buy a BMW.

    The new FJ will probably start at $22,000.00 for distictive styling and bullitproof Toyota quality. My guess is that they will sell 40,000 per year, maybe more.
  • The new FJ will probably start at $22,000.00 for distictive styling and bullitproof Toyota quality. My guess is that they will sell 40,000 per year, maybe more.

    But $22,000.00 for a real stripper (2wd, no cruise, etc) that you won't ever be able to find at any dealership, or for a decent manual 4x4? Or will that be $25-26?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    my bet is that it starts at $21K, base model 2WD auto, no optional equipment. And knowing Toyota, you will never be able to find this model at dealers. I am sure they will give all the 2WD's the "touring package" with cruise, privacy glass, and power mirrors among other doodads.

    RAV4, which does less sharing with another single model mechanically, starts at $19,xxx and s better equipped in the base model, I believe. But it does have a manual at that price.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • gringo1gringo1 Posts: 72
    Toyota stated the FJ price will come between the Rav4 and the 4Runner.

    Per Edmunds:

    Rav4 4x4 MSRP: $21765

    Base V6 4Runner MSRP: $30,070

    Splitting the difference the FJ MSRP: $25915

    A possible starting point for FJ 4x4 without options. Some will think this is high.

    But the main consideration will be whether discounting occurs, not what arbitrary MSRP is.

    Toyota dealers are saying the FJ vehicle will sell for MSRP, and that spikes the true cost to the buyer.

    It also speaks to the point that buyers once at the dealer may choose some other vehicle.

    Here's a boring analysis, but it shows that discounting from MSRP, or not discounting, makes all the difference in vehicle choice and price paid.

    MSRP generates approximately 10% gross profit at a vehicle in this price range, while options generate 20% gross profit. If $2,000 in options are added, the new FJ MSRP would be $27,915. The gross profit on this vehicle sold at MSRP would be $2,900.

    MSRP model pricing becomes moot since Toyota is discounting the 4Runner in my market to $27,885, which is $1,000 over invoice.

    The discounted 4Runner comes in at the same price as the FJ sold at MSRP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    gringo1
  • who buys an FJ over a 4Runner, even money, is not cooking with gas.

    DrFill
  • ejjejj Posts: 36
    You guys have nailed it. Whatever the price is for whatever the equipment level, it will probably be just a bit more than the buyer thought it should be. That is pretty much the formula with every other Toyota truck. There will be no free lunches.
  • havokhavok Posts: 18
    I'm looking forward to this vehicle. A lot can happen in a year, 'though. I've always admired the off-road toyotas I'd see overseas. I hope this turns out like the old FJ40. I want something that I can beat up in Big Bear or Baja and still be able to drive to work everyday. Who needs all those cute creature conveniences that bloat the price of the Taco and 4Runner?
  • mrjjgittesmrjjgittes Posts: 156
    Exactly, and it explains why you see so many other nameplates on pickups on the road. At the top end, a Taco is easily $3-4k more than a new frontier. Whatever you may think of each, that reults in people going to the nissan dealership.
  • 4Runner costs because it's worth.

    DrFill
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