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Toyota FJ Cruiser

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    I wonder why the announcement was made a full year before production.

    Probably to get some of those who are considering the new Xterra, to hold off, as it is going after that same customer.

    Bob
  • Did the press release say whether the FJ will have power windows? I did see a reference to AC, but not PWs, of PDLs for that matter.
  • I hope they do.... the things like power windows and locks make a difference to me, and I think that it's standard on a lot of cars now.... especially over 20k. Unless, of course, you are popping off 40k for a Lotus Elise ;)

    I like the way the FJ looks a lot better than the way the Xterra looks. The white roof is.... interesting. I hope it's an option, because not everyone will love it.
  • "The white roof is.... interesting. I hope it's an option, because not everyone will love it."

    Including me. Its the one thing keeping it from being perfect. I want the FJ in black but I dont want to drive around a damn penguin
  • smootsmoot Posts: 14
    Well, the FJ has reinvented itself just in time to jump on the mish-mash bandwagon...that bandwagon being the Honda Element. At least the Element has some sorta design! The FJ reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Homers long lost, super-rich car manufacturer brother asks him to design a new type of car....well...there ya go. BTW, I do intend to purchase the 2005 Honda Element {Mag Met AWD EX} pretty soon, it looks so much more sturdy and multifunctional than what I've seen so far from the FJ.
  • "the FJ has reinvented itself just in time to jump on the mish-mash bandwagon...that bandwagon being the Honda Element."

    lol. Since when is one car a "bandwagon"? The FJ is the Element done right, it adds offroad tires, offroad ground clearance, offroad 4WD and off-road capability.

    There is no comparison.
  • Don't steal my taglines, ok?

    I'm having that copyrighted!

    DrFill
  • I see the FJ as competition for the wrangler-unlimited, and the xterra. I like it. I'll like it even more without the white roof, and maybe with the front and rear running light/signal lenses pulled in a little. It sounds like it'll have a great engine, good tow capacity, good interior size, toyota reliability (hopefully - new taco is disappointing) and good off road ability. The interior sounds like it'll lean utilitarian too. I'd like one for my three times yearly trips into Baja. I look forward to seeing this one.
  • cci82cci82 Posts: 2
    I hope toyota doesn't over equip the interior. I'd like to see it kept simple and basic. It would be nice if a base version with hand-crank windows and a 4cyl was made available. I hate to see cars that become to expensive with features that not everyone wants. I want a simple 4x4 that works--not one that is over equipped with all the latest gadgets.
  • That might work if they put a Tacoma 4 in there, but I'm seeing visions of a 4Runner 6 under the hood. Yeah, it would be out of reach for the target crowd if they didn't have a really basic model.
  • On another site, someone was of the opinion that since the FJ cruiser is going to be available in 2 wheel drive, it can't be a capable off road truck. He thinks that soccer moms and sorority girls are going to buy it. I don't see that. But it may cost more to get it off road capable. The New York Times said it was part of a new military class like the new H3. Maybe its somewhere in the middle.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    This is what Toyota should bring over: The Oz-spec Land Cruiser 78, but LHD of course. It's a purpose-built off-roader/work horse that's the true offspring of the famed FJ40.

    http://lc78.toyota.com.au/LC78/HomePage/0,,,00.html

    Bob
  • Very cool, but far from cheap, even considering the exchange rate.
    By the way, on the Toyota site, I found a reference to power windows and door locks for the new FJ. Apparently, it will have them.
  • Instead of that commercial thing, I want a "LandCruiser 100 Standard" model. I've seen these on various safari-type TV shows, and although I know they'd never try to sell something like that over here, I'm still jealous.

    Here's a 'Yota LC 4x4, with a 4.2 diesel six standard, a 5-speed manual, plastic bumpers and steel wheels, optional A/C, no mention of power anything, I'm sure a spartan, functional interior... for 65% of the cost of a LC like we see over here. Sort of looks like a work vehicle, but still a nice-looking LC.

    I'd love to pick one up used with 39k for $25,000...
  • I also like the looks of the FJ. The photos of the one on the Toyota website looks to be more concept than production. I like the photos that Edmunds has. Mirrors, door handles, and roof rack are different and look more production than concept.
    The more I look at this vehicle the more I like it. Two dislikes are the white roof and 3 wipers on the windshield.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    there is a strong consensus against the white roof. Seems like most of the FJ40s I have ever seen were painted in that faded blue color, which looked OK with the white roof. But I am sure with modern paint Toyota will offer the FJ without a white roof for those who don't want it.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    The reason I like it is because it is a purpose-built workhorse, with absolutely no pretensions about it. It is what it is, and nothing more. It's honest, and to the point.

    While the FJ Cruiser may also be functional (to some degree), it's main purpose is to fit an "image," rather than do a "job," much like most SUVs marketed here in the US. I'd much rather see SUVs return to their roots in providing more honest-to-goodness utility, and less designer-like image.

    Bob
  • I'd much rather see SUVs return to their roots in providing more honest-to-goodness utility, and less designer-like image.

    I agree. That's why I like the LandCruiser 100 I described; it isn't trying to fulfill the "luxury" image like our North American models. I like the 78 also; I just need a medium/large, flexible, covered storage space for passengers/cargo, such as in a LC, but don't see the need for all large SUVs to be so luxurious as to drive the prices up. Why can't we have medium/large SUVs, relatively stripped, that are as cheap as mid-level optioned cars and small SUVs? Every full-size is so expensive, and with all kinds of ridiculous standard features.

    While the FJ Cruiser may also be functional (to some degree), it's main purpose is to fit an "image" rather than do a "job"

    I disagree, because it depends on the "job." As I said, I sometimes carry passengers, and often carry bicycles and like them to be inside the vehicle. I also occasionally venture off road. So, I need a vehicle that is large enough to accomodate my needs, and doesn't make me buy alot of luxury (good value). The FJ would fill this job very well.

    Competitors fall short in at least one area. The Ford Escape has a lot of room inside but can't go far off-road, and lacks torque; these are very slow. The Jeep Liberty doesn't have much cargo room, even with the seats folded down. The Honda CR-V lacks space, 4-low and torque, and is high-priced IMO.

    Further, I have considered Toyota products in the past and have been turned off by their blandness; everyone calls them "appliances." I am glad to see them produce a vehicle (scion excepted) that shows an attention to "image."
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    While the FJ Cruiser may also be functional (to some degree), it's main purpose is to fit an "image" rather than do a "job"

    What I meant by that is that often styling (and/or image) gets in the way of function. The huge "C" pillar on the FJ Cruiser is a good example of that.

    I've always felt that farm equipment, ATVs, and commercial trucks to be better "designed" than most "consumer" vehicles. Why? Because function overrides styling. I'd like to see more of that form-follows-function concept return to SUVs (and pickups too).

    Bob
  • I agree and am in the same boat. With a sturdy roof rack, the FJ would do everything I'd want. When I need to carry plywood sheets, (once every 10 years, if that), I'll rent a truck from home depot for an hour. I had been strongly considering a new tacoma, but the Taco's quality issues and price have turned me off on that idea. Also, for me, the most interesting dimension of the FJ is its relatively substantial width. While the width may detract some from off road worthiness on narrow roads/trail, for me it is worth it for the extra space for full sized guys, and overall stability. Since it's not narrow, it also will help in not looking too cutsie -- think suzuki samurai.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    "The huge "C" pillar on the FJ Cruiser is a good example of that."

    Despite what Toyota has said about the FJ, does anyone besides me think that there is still some cosmetic work to be done on the FJ before it hits the dealerships (like that huge C pillar and the wrapover rear glass, for instance)? I would think the glass in particular would be very costly on such an inexpensive model.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • The FJ is a good mix of styling and function, especially since its' competitors are not as functional. It is superior in both respects. When I think of a small/midsize SUV that was all function and no styling, I think of the late Jeep Cherokee. Not that these weren't attractive vehicles. But next to an FJ, one would look very plain.

    How do you guys think the large C-pillar would impair function?

    If they tone down the styling elements which make it unique, then we are left with another forgettably-styled vehicle that won't stand out from the rest of the Toyota lineup.
  • Yeah, the c pillar needs to shrink. I also think the turn signals' housings need to be pulled in a bit. Also, I came across a charcoal metallic gray photoshop'd FJ on another site (can't remember where now) that had the roof done in the same color as the body. It looked great.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    "If they tone down the styling elements which make it unique, then we are left with another forgettably-styled vehicle which wouldn't stand out from the rest of the Toyota lineup."

    Don't get me wrong, I would love it if they can afford to leave it exactly the way it was presented at Chicago. And certainly some of the unique styling elements like the front end will make it to production, I am sure. If they truly sell it with the "Toyota" badge on the front, it will be the only model in the entire line-up to have the Toyota name instead of the weird symbol they use for the Toyota brand.

    As for the C pillar, I think it will reduce the outside visibility somewhat, but I like the way it makes the FJ look, so I could deal if they left it just that way.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    How do you guys think the large C-pillar would impair function?

    It blocks rearward vision, if you're looking over your rear shoulder. It creates a large blind spot.

    Bob
  • Wow, that looks great.
  • Agreed. I also think that the FJ will be a useful car, only because most of its competitors aren't. Escape, too unwieldy off pavement. CR-V, too wagon-y. Element, not an off-roader! Liberty, too small! I couldn't care less if it has a chunky C-pillar or not. If they lose those odd little details, then the FJ will end up looking like the rest of the Toyotas, which is what they were trying to avoid.
  • bpraxisbpraxis Posts: 292
    Please Toyota keep the two toned paint scheme like the Mini Cooper. The Vehicle is much more distictive with the white roof and contrasting lower paint.

    Cant wait to see all the color choices.

    Toyota keeps mentioning a very reasonable price in its press releases. Any speculations on what pricing will be. My guess would be similar to the Nissan Xterra?

    Or maybe Toyota will surprise us with very low pricing like the Scion line.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    the "Townhall test team" thread, bob posted a short review of the '05 XTerra today. The part that caught my eye was that a very basic 4x4 with only power accessories added, and a manual shifter, ran $25K plus on the sticker. Looks like Toyota has lots of room to play with price here...

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

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