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In your case, ignorance is bliss. You should check this out if indeed you even remotely think it is untrue.
Just to get you started, but truly I think even you know that if you can spell C02 generation in wetlands: ITS A GOOGLE !!! Back in the old days, you really had to know how to do research.
..."Wetlands are one of the major causes of greenhouse gases," Chen says. "Wetlands are also one of the dominant ecosystems in this part of the country, and we don't know how it will respond to global warming. Global warming is also caused by greenhouse gases, such as CO2 and methane, and wetlands are a major contributor to that atmospheric matrix of gases.
...The 4,000- to 10,000-year-old northern wetlands make up 4 percent of the total land surface of the planet, but they contribute 17 to 28 percent of the total methane to the atmosphere. Also, 40 to 47 percent of all the carbon comes from wetland."...
Global warming
and the great northern wetlands:
Warmer, colder, wetter, or what?
By Dennis Walikainen
http://www.mtu.edu/research/global.htm
Is your way of not responding to my question to ask a completely nonsensical question of me? I was pointing out that the EPA HAS increased air quality a lot, and questioning your numbers.
BTW, you are wrong about the wetlands. There is some co2 released when biological matter decomposes, but that is co2 that plants sucked out of the air in the first place. That happens everywhere there is life.
In fact, it appears that wetlands may help in carbon sequestering:
http://www.hrw.com/science/si-science/chemistry/matter/carbon/carbon_teco.html
For example, the irish peat bogs are an example of wetlands resulting in massive carbon sequestering.
Methane is another issue, but you said carbon.
I only comment on UNcourteous posts. Am sure you'd see that if you looked back. Which you won't.
Indeed you can ignore the truth. You also seem to give the impression that you attribute air pollution clean up to the "regulatory" powers that the EPA has. This is patently false. I really don't know how you argue along these lines with a straight face. So for example to stay on topic, the burden of proof has not been met by those who would say that the current 2.9% of diesel passenger cars causes statistically significant air pollution that is attributed to that population.
Well unless you found a way to stop methane production in wetlands, it is most certainly in the mix.
the diesel stuff you post is fine. It's great, frankly, and I have not been ignoring it. You have educated me on the topic. But then you post a bunch of nonesense and I wonder if the core diesel stuff is nonesense, as well.
I find it funny that every pro-diesel advocate ends up being an anti-environment guy. They allmake arguments about how diesel is the answer, but then they always end up belittling the good things that enviro groups or agencies have done, revealing their true stripes.
I bet I can guess where you stand on Prop 90.
If you look at the bio diesel coop in Berkeley CA you will find that those very same environmentalists have created such an onerous bureaucratic maze that even an environmentalist that wanted to bring bio diesel to market and also to be used by their own city vehicles had a bewildering time of it. He became almost like Alice through the looking glass in his attempts to bringing an environmental concept to fellow environmentalists.
It was a pretty simple concept. App 50,000 barrels of waste stream oil which would have had to have had much more costly environmental waste procedures done to it to mitigate it "correctly" hits the Berkeley waste facility per year. So on the concept; if life gives you lemons make lemonade, he set out to turn that waste stream into biodiesel.
..."I bet I can guess where you stand on Prop 90."...
http://www.franandrowena.com/files/373274/Transfer_Property_Tax_Base_Proposition- - - - - _60_-_90.htm
"Proposition 90:
Enacted after Proposition 60, it allows transfer of the tax base from one county to another county if the California county (where the replacement residence is located) allows the transfer. Some counties do not allow transfer of the factored tax base value. For your protection, before you enter into a sale and/or purchase you must verify with the assessor's office in the county where the replacement residence is located to determine if you will be able to apply for this property tax relief."
I am not sure how this relates to what we are discussing, but based on what I read,....sign me up when I am 55 !!!! I would love to live in a 1M plus property with a 36,000 dollar tax base!!!!
And if the personal attacks don't stop NOW, some of you may find yourselves with your faces pressed against the window. Understood?
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I'm willing to wipe the slate clean
Just because a fuel is displacing gasoline, that does not mean it is good for the environment. Just because a guy is grabbing waste product and calls himself an "environmentalist," that does not mean that what he is doing is good for the environment.
I knew the guy who used to run an old destroyer in SF Bay. He thought he was an environmentalist, and he applauded himself for collecting waste oil, waste solvent, and other nasties and burning them in the ship's diesel engines. He said "I am keeping those wastes out of the waste stream." No, you're not. You're burning to9xic chemicals and putting them into MY lungs in my neighborhood. Completely uncontrolled.
if life gives you lemons, then make lemonade, not fuel to be burned in my neighborhood.
I love guys (not you) who complain about the bureaucratic maze, but they've refused to hire people who have worked their way through the maze and know how. So to the dude on his bike who wants to collect grease and turn it into fuel, I say "Hire a freakin expert!"
I promise that I'm not gonna try and repair a nuclear power plant. But you have to promise you're not gonna try and operate a fuel reprocessing facility without getting proper guidance.
deal?
you really want your neighbor making fuel in his backyard?
I don't want those guys in my neighborhood.
You willing to live next door to a guy who has one of the set-ups?
Do you know that the average lot size in Berkeley is probably 1/8th of an acre? That contraption would be 50 feet from your bedroom!
I'm curious - who DOES get the credit for making America's air cleaner today than it was 40 years ago?
God?
W?
Nixon?
Lee Iacocca?
Phil Toyota?
The guy who invented the catalytic converter?
Al Gore for inventing the internet?
I don't mean to be pedantic, and I certainly don't mean to turn this into a "political" debate, since I don't see clean air as a political issue.
But if not EPA (and the state EPAs), then whom?
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If it's used oil, you have to filter it. Then you replace some of the glycerine so it gels at a lower temperature.
"The U.S. Department of Energy confirms that biodiesel is less toxic than table salt and biodegrades as quickly as sugar"
Bring it on!
Honda Motor Co., Japan's third- largest carmaker, will introduce a diesel car that meets California's emission standards and a fuel cell-powered sports car within three years as it vies with Toyota Motor Corp. for buyers of fuel-efficient autos.
The DOE quote doesn't entirely answer my concern, as I am less concerned about the toxicity of the end-product than I am about the safety hazards posed by the process to make the end product.
but the Honda approach is designed to solve the problem. Hard to imagine VW/DC doesn't have an approach that eliminated human intervention. I suspect they tried that approach to leverage a bit of movement from the regulators - so they could sell systems that comply at the point of sale, but which the user could then jimmy with and increase their car's performance while negating the emissions control. We all know people would do it if they could. I guess substantial fines could be imposed. And am sure you could find a way for onboard computers to record the jimmying of the system.
Not sure why VW/DC's reservoir system couldn't have been rigged such that if you didn't fill the reservoir within X miles, the car would simply not run (until you filled the reservoir). I think CARB might have OK'd that.
and I guess the refill would have to be at VW/DC's cost (not sure about that point)
I haven't seen it under $2.49 anywhere else..
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I am not sure about that. I think you need a permit to be a waste-processing facility, at least where I live. No question that municipalities differ on issues like this.
If there is no/very little risk, I would not be too worried about it, even if you DO need a permit. But if there is risk, then authorities should regulate it, require a permit, etc.
I understand the desire to build more gasoline refineries. If people want them so badly, why aren't they asking their local authorities to write Chevron a letter saying "Please come build a refinery in our town"?
The fact is everyone wants more refineries, but no one wants one built near them. It's not that surprising. Refineries smell, and they are dangerous. And oil companies have a long tradition of not advising local people of the risks, and then hiding when something bad happens.
I'm not saying we shouldn't build more refineries. I'm saying it's not a surprise that no one wants one built near them.
As for gasoline refineries, I think it is more than obvious the so called "nimby" thing has been an operating factor for probably longer than several generations. One example might be New England's refinery supply sources: South Louisiana and South Mississippi !!!
:-)
I bet he doesn't even drive by one on his way home.
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Aren't there refineries in New Jersey? New England gas comes all the way from the Gulf?
Much good news regarding the future of light duty diesel in North America.
Pre Katrina (Aug 29,2005) diesel IN LA, Mississippi, was ap 2.50.
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In 2008, Mercedes-Benz plans to sell three diesel-powered vehicles that use a controversial urea-injection system to control emissions.
Mercedes says the three vehicles -- the M, R and GL-class SUVs -- will meet 2010 emissions standards requiring diesel engines to run as cleanly as gasoline engines.
The key to launching the vehicles in all 50 states is the urea-injection system, also known as selective catalytic reduction. SCR reduces oxides of nitrogen, the smog precursor known as NOx, by injecting urea periodically into the exhaust system.
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Pee powered?
no, as that would require human intervention
but I do think Mercedes has not realized how much of a selling point it would be if cars had a ....er....device built in which would, um....lengthen the time period between pit stops
"I can drive to LA on one tank of gas and NO stops"
we have to register to see that article. That is the same system that California's air resources folks said "no dice" to, correct?
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/09/25/mercedes-to-offer-50-state-bluetec-diese- - l-in-2008/
So how long until we do see new diesels in Cali?
Honda says it will offer a California-legal diesel and a fuel-cell sports car by 2009.
The 4-cylinder diesel is promising to be the first engine to meet EPA and California diesel exhaust requirements. Officials also boast it will get 30 percent better fuel economy than a comparable gas engine. Since Mercedes-Benz hasn't received diesel certificiation yet, analysts are cautious with their enthusiasm for Honda's announcement. Honda says it's diesel differs by using a new catalytic converter to generate and store ammonia on board to reduce NOx levels. Other systems store the ammonia separately and require regular maintenance.
Never again is too soon for diesels in California. :P
Everyone in CA needs to take mass transit or drive their electric cars.
Honda unveils ultraclean diesel system
Some work is still needed before the system could be made available in the United States.
September 25 2006: 5:00 PM EDT
HAGA-GUN, Japan (Reuters) -- Japan's Honda Motor Co. has done it again.
The carmaker that floored the world in the 1970s with the first gasoline engine to meet U.S. clean air guidelines without a catalytic converter said it has developed a new and simple diesel power train that is as clean as gasoline-fueled cars.
The technology marks a big step forward for Honda at a time when rivals are racing to come up with ways to clear the world's strictest emissions regulations, called Tier II Bin 5, that the United States will usher in next year.
Diesel engines, which now power half of Europe's new cars, are slowly gaining traction with fuel-conscious consumers around the world since they typically get 30 percent better mileage than gasoline cars. Their weakness has been the higher exhaust levels of nitrogen oxide (NOx), a greenhouse gas.
Honda said on Monday its new diesel drivetrain features a unique method that generates and stores ammonia within a two-layer catalytic converter to turn nitrogen oxide into harmless nitrogen.
Honda engineers said the technology is superior to a process pioneered by Germany's DaimlerChrysler AG because the latter requires a complex system and heavy add-ons to generate ammonia from urea-based additives.
Some technical hurdles remain.
The system would need fine-tuning for the wide-ranging types of diesel fuel found in the United States. Honda also needs to develop technology to measure emissions levels according to U.S. On-Board Diagnostic System requirements.
But Japan's third-biggest automaker said it planned to roll out the advanced diesel engine in the United States within three years. DaimlerChrysler, which along with Volkswagen AG already sells diesel cars in the world's biggest auto market, is preparing its next-generation diesel car for a 2008 launch.
"Just as we paved the way for cleaner gasoline engines, we will take the leadership in the progress of diesel engines," Honda Chief Executive Takeo Fukui told a news conference at the auto maker's R&D center north of Tokyo.
Fukui said Honda would be "open to considering" the licensing of its new diesel technology once it was perfected.
Honda has long been at the forefront of green power train technology, perhaps most famously with the development in 1973 of the CVCC (Compound Vortex Controlled Combustion) engine, which gave the popular Civic its name.
Earlier this year, it became the first in the world to announce voluntary global carbon dioxide reduction targets for its products and production processes.
Fuel cells, flex fuel
In a demonstration of other new power plant technologies, Honda also showed off a prototype of its next-generation fuel cell vehicle which runs on a newly developed compact and more powerful fuel cell stack.
The new stack is designed to allow the hydrogen and water formed during electricity generation to flow vertically instead of horizontally, making the component 20 percent smaller and 30 percent lighter than the previous version.
Honda's new FCX fuel-cell car now has a driving range of 570 km (354 miles) - a 30 percent improvement from the 2005 model - reaches a maximum speed of 160 km (100 miles) per hour and can be driven in temperatures as low as minus 30 degrees Celsius (-22° F).
Honda plans to begin marketing the car in limited numbers in 2008 in Japan and the United States.
Honda said it also developed a flexible fuel vehicle (FFV) system that can operate on any ethanol-to-gasoline ratio between 20 percent and 100 percent. That car will be sold in Brazil, the biggest market for ethanol-based vehicles, later this year.
"Way out in the future, the ultimate green car will be fuel cell vehicles," Fukui said. "But in the meantime, you need a wide range of green technology to meet varying local needs and fuel supply."
MONTVALE, New Jersey — Mercedes-Benz said it will offer diesel-powered editions of its sport-utility triplets — the M-, R- and GL-Class vehicles — in calendar-year 2008 that will meet the EPA's stringent new Bin5 emissions standards in all 50 states.
All three vehicles have been introduced over the past year, and all three are assembled in Alabama.
Brazil is on the right track.
$60,000 for a Diesel Toureg? Whew !!!
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Is there any other vehicle sold in the USA that will compete on all levels? I would consider it if they put in their V6 TDI. I don't need to go 0-60 in under 5 seconds.
Pricing has yet to be announced yet, but if the $500 difference between an e350 and e320cdi is any indication, both the ML320cdi and R320cdi should start around $43k-$44k.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
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By the time Mercedes' 50-state diesels launch, the competition will be heated. In September, Honda - a company long associated with hybrids - announced a catalytic-converter breakthrough that requires no fluid additives, saying it will deliver 50-state models by 2009. And GM recently showed off a burly, ultra-clean V-8 diesel that should arrive around the same time. VW, Audi, Nissan, BMW, and Chrysler Group also have versions in the works.
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More diesels, more choice!
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It’s always tempting to hope for a futuristic solution — like the new fuel-cell car Honda also demonstrated the other day — for the very immediate problems of auto emissions and fuel efficiency. But the answer is going to lie in a mix of vehicles — hybrid cars, more efficient gasoline engines, and highly improved diesels. The answer is also going to come from recognizing that strict limits on emissions and mileage penalize only those companies that are too sluggish to compete.
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Yep!
I wish someone would give VW some copetition. VW has a very good mini van in Europe but they are asking Chrysler to build a mini van for them?????
I was hoping for an emissions treatment without the use of urea, such as the one from Honda that uses a catalyst.
Bluetec diesels fulfil the stringent U.S. emission norm Bin 5 that goes into effect in 2009.