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It is more than evident why cars like the TDI Jetta is what they want to KEEP off the roads!!! It actually WAS designed to run on ULSD, YEARS before ULSD was commonly available on the US markets. They do NOT want to make the per mile driven cost 25-40 % CHEAPER; they want to make per mile driven costs 25-40% MORE EXPENSIVE!!!!!!!???????
Let's use 1 dollars as the baseline. That is .60 to .75 cents per mile driven vs 1.25 to 1.40 per mile driven!!! ????
One a more serious response, the market would indeed welcome diesel in the Focus and F150. Since you use Ford as an example, I have read in passing Ford will put out a diesel F150 in 2009?. They of course do sell diesel Focus' but not in the US markets.
The people complaining that they don't have enough gas tax revenue? Go read my post in the other forum.
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"It's a safe bet that our first move into hybrids will come with the M-Class, using a 3.2-litre V6 Bluetec diesel."
Thanks for the post. My response below is directed at all three posts on the subject.
The urban sprawl is a consequence of the automobile and the indirect subsidies related to it. If the true costs of the automobile where part of the purchase price, or in the taxing of it most everyone would live in relatively dense areas where mass transit is comparatively viable. Saying mass transit is not viable in non-urban areas is like pushing a string. When we get serious about "oil dependency" the true costs of our romance with the auto (I am a worshiper!) will be "realized" and we will stop subsidizing the auto and oil industries and become rational in where we build and live. Those who want to live in non-urban areas would be free to live there if they could pay the true costs and not be dependent on urban dwellers to subsidize them.
It is exactly the opposite. It is the mass transportation systems that are heavily subsidized, not only in the US, but in Europe as well. The marvel of underground transportation, the Madrid Metro, wouldn't survive without heavy subsidies. Yes, I love to use it when I visit, but I know that it is *I* who is not paying the true cost.
In our T/A district current per mile build is at 1 B per mile. This is not even to mention how long each eminent domain case would be tied up in the courts.
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Yes, it is! And LPG in a number of them. (Gulp, digression from the topic
More in http://www.mini.es/es/es/new_mini_cooper_d/
(it is written in Spanish)
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Yesterday I was invited to the annual spring celebration at our Daimler-Chrysler dealer´s next to my shop and I took the opportunity for an extended test-drive on the new Dodge Nitro 2.8 CRD (177 HP) with 6-speed manual. As a person who usually is not a real big friend of SUV´s I have to admit: NOT BAD!! I was surprised by the relatively crisp handling and suspension, only the brakes are (typically American) a little bit weak. The 2.8 CRD 4-cylinder is a rough guy you would meet as a worker on an oil rig, but provides pretty reasonable torque and performance. The average consumption (EC-Norm) is quoted with 8,7 liters/100 KM (approx. 26 mpg). The Nitro Diesel is offered from € 26.800,- ($ 35.000,-) on (incl. VAT) in the SR version, which sounds to me like a good bargain. Even the Chevrolet Captiva Diesel version is about € 5.000,- more expensive.
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Chrysler (American) has never been known to have the greatest brakes on anything they have built but they have come a long way and continue to get better.
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Are these engines EPA approved? At $25k, I might consider them - they look pretty cool.
The engine is an advanced 2.6 CRD 4-cylinder which was designed and developped in cooperation with Bosch/Germany and AVL/Austria. It provides 110 HP, a maximum torque of 270 Nm (200 lb ft) at 1900 rpm and meets the actual Euro-4 emission standards.
Since January 2007 the Mahindra Goa is offered in Europe as a 5-door full-size SUV as well as a regular and extended cab pickup. All versions are available with 4x2 or optional 4x4 drive, but (WARNING!!) currently only with 5-speed manual transmission. I´m not sure if Mahindra is planning an auto-version for the US market.
Have a look at the following website:
www.prdomain.com/companies/M/Mahindra&Mahindra/newsreleases
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Six speed auto - that works!
I looked around and also found out that they are calling it Green-Tec diesel and will meet all 50 state emissions standards.
Then this would be the Scorpio, right?
This will be a sad irony for U.S. automakers that an Indian company comes to the U.S. and sells suv's and trucks that get the mileage we all want from this class.
Who knows if the delivered product will live up to the hype, but who wouldn't be interested in an affordable vehicle, big enough to handle all our obsessions with size and perceived off-road needs that also has decent mileage?
Ford, GM- hello? Are you listening?
Still, they definitely are appealing with the looks, utility and fuel economy. Shame on US automakers for not getting with the program.
By the way, despite the low prices I haven´t seen a single one here in Germany yet. As far as I know Mahindra has got a couple of distribution partners in Italy and France, and appearently most of the cars are sold to Eastern European countries.
In contrast to this we had kind of a hype 3 years ago about a revolutionary cheap Chinese diesel SUV. In 2004 during annual IAA in Frankfurt, automaker Jiangling Motor Corporation presented with loads of ballyhoo a slightly modernized 1991 Isuzu Rodeo reproduction with an updated 120hp Isuzu 2.8 CRD 4-cylinder.
With plenty of comfort features and meeting the (at that time) actual Euro-3 emission standards it was offered for a dumping price of about € 15.000,- including VAT. A very smart Dutch businessman paid big amounts of money to obtain the exclusive distribution rights for Western Europe.
As soon as the first Jiangling X6´s had been delivered, people had to learn that essential safety features only existed theoretically. Brake, abs- and even airbag malfunctions occured commonly. With desastrous results they finally crashtested the car at German TÜV in order to verify JMC´s claims on their safety standards. The massive SUV repeatedly collapsed like a house of cards due to poor quality of body material and welding.
Jiangling Motor Corporation currently is not selling too many cars anymore in Europe, but they promised to improve and come back...
The lights are on, but nobody’s home.
I truly believe that if those guys could put a 24-30mpg light diesel engine into the F-150/ Expedition/ Explorer/ Sierra/ Silverado/ Tahoe/ Suburban models they could stop worrying about Toyota for another 10 years. The American public made it pretty clear that they like big, truck-like vehicles but now we can't afford the gas. So make big truck like vehicles that get good mpg.
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- With rising gas prices, diesel cars and SUVs are gearing up for a major American comeback after a brief appearance 25 years ago. But if all you remember are the smell and noise, you might not recognize the new leaner, cleaner versions.
Back in the early 1980's, 80 percent of the cars Mercedes-Benz sold in the U.S. were diesel powered. General Motors sold diesel Oldsmobiles and Cadillacs.
BMW says it will bring one or more diesel-powered cars to the U.S. by the end of 2008. In Europe, 45 percent of BMWs sold are diesels.
Mercedes-Benz is planning to introduce diesel versions of its R-class (shown here), ML and GL SUVs to the U.S.
Audi is expected to bring a diesel version of its Q7 SUV to the U.S.
The reason then was obvious: Adjusted for inflation, the cost of gasoline then was about $3.15 a gallon. Buyers were looking for a more fuel-efficient way to drive.
Diesel engines were noisy, they were slow and they puffed out nasty polluting smoke. But they used much less fuel than gasoline engines, so buyers were willing to put up with the downsides.
As gas prices went back down, relative to other costs, and environmental regulations became stricter the tide of diesels rolled back across the Atlantic leaving only memories of clanky, foul smelling diesel cars.
Today, while half the cars sold in Europe are diesels, diesel market share in the U.S. is about 3.5 percent and that's mostly pick-ups, according to R.L. Polk & Co.
To serve a growing demand for greener, cheaper transportation, a new class of used car dealers has found a niche selling biodiesel-ready autos.
Around the country, dealerships hawking "green" diesel cars are attracting middle-class drivers motivated by high gas prices and the threat of global warming. More than a dozen of these businesses are concentrated along the West Coast, where the biodiesel subculture is breaking into the mainstream.
Most of these clean-diesel entrepreneurs rely exclusively on the Internet for advertising, using their own Web sites and Craigslist classifieds to lure potential buyers, while a minority also showcase their wheels from streetside auto lots.
"In 2003, I came out of the closet and became a full-blown car dealer," said Steve Ahl, a former recycled-lumber salesman who is outfitting his used diesel car lot in Ukiah, Calif., with solar panels. "This isn't the typical suede shoe used car lot operation."
Ahl Motors TDI Cars has sold some 700 Volkswagen Turbo Direct Injection (TDI) diesels as well as Ford and Honda trucks, and currently stocks 25 models priced between $10,000 and $35,000. Ahl said most customers tell him they want to kick the fossil-fuel habit by using biodiesel.
OK let's do the mantra: 500,000 miles and... BEYOND!
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Seriously, the new fuels are supposed to provide adequate lubricity (that's the key for long lasting). Guys that don't trust it will go out and buy a jug of sulfur additive.
John
As to after market lubricity additives for diesel fuel, none of them contain sulfur compounds that I have seen. Biodiesel is a wonderful lubricity agent and as little as two percent added to dino diesel will bring lubricity levels back to pre-ULSD days. I believe either Minnesota or Missouri requires all their diesel to be B2.
When I burned it in my 99 Ford 250 diesel I could see no difference.. only 2 tanks full..