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Something isn't ringing true to me here.
Are these specifically built for the NYC and/or Philadelphia market?
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
The key in the slot above the license and the button on the key thing-a-magigy is not a problem, but please do explain about this solenoid and light touch that opens the trunk from the outside, inquiring minds would like to know.
Drive the car for a while and you're sure to forgive every negative aspect and comment you've seen or read, most of which can be resolved to your liking.
I don't understand the tests.
But have been "advised" that they are very important.
I've never considered the crash tests before but then again have not had that many cars (keep them forever).
Been driving an Accord the last 15 years.
Thanks for the words.
S
I was washing my car on a sunny day and I happened to notice the metal flake in the paint was not evenly distributed over the entire car. The most noticeable spot is on my trunk lid up close to the rear window. It almost seems as if the paint wasn't stirred well and all the flakes ended up in one area (follows the top edge of the trunk lid about 8-10" long and at it's widest point maybe 3", but it's in the shape of a semi-circle). There are some other spots on the car like this, but not as major.
I just came back from the service dept. and he is going to contact a Hyundai rep. to look at it. He said the only option to correct it would be to re-paint the car and that the after-market paint job wouldn't be as good as the factory paint (don't know if that's true or not). This may boil down to how badly do I want it taken care of, or is this something I can live with.
Has anyone else noticed any inconsistencies in their paint???
Hey he has the best car in the world, it runs and its paid for (I am presuming that, no one takes out 15 year loans on cars). Nothing wrong with driving a 15 year old car as long as its not costing an arm and a leg to maintain.
As for everything else you mentioned, most is just overpriced gimmicks in the car that are nothing but a major repair bill waiting to happen.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I changed the oil on my 2002 Sonata faithfully and don't see a reason as to why I can't do the same with my new Azera.
Is the oil pan plug still in the standard locale?
Any info would be extremely appreciated.
Thats why I said if its not costing an arm and a leg then keep it. Tell me would you rather sink $2-300 two or three times a month to keep the car running or pay $2-300 a month in car payments?
As far as the "gimmicks", yes there are some,
Some?
Bluetooth - gimmick
nav systems - gimmick
remote entry - gimmick
remote starting - gimmick
alarms - gimmick
kill switches - mostly gimmick
ignition keys with chips - mostly gimmick
valet keys - gimmick
search and scan options on the radio/cd player - Oh come on I had this on my car 25 years ago.
air bags - not a gimmick (but then again I did say most)
ABS - 50/50 as it turns out they are not what they were made out to be.
active hear restraints - 50/50
ESC - again another 50/50
power seats - never use them
electric window lifts - only really needed for the non drivers windows.
auto technology has made a quantum leap forward in the last 15 years...
Yeah now instead of being able to work on it in my garage I have to spend $65 just to have some guy plug it in so a computer can say whats going on. And thats just to start.
Now when the car runs rough and stalls instead of spending a few bucks and a few hours under the hood to fix it I have to pay someone $65 so a computer can tell them to change a chip and charge me $150 more. :mad:
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
My Accord is still a great car.
I have people that have been waiting 10 years to buy it from me.
Yes, it's been paid off for 10 years.
Do the maintenance stuff, dealer checkup once a year so that's good for a repair of some type.
Timing belt changed 3 times.
Etc.
I am comfortable about it being able to run for many more years.
But, there's more to a car than just moving.
The a/c (I am in Florida) is not up to par and an annual service doesn't cut it.
I made the mistake and had it repainted 10 years ago and they did a s@&tty job.
I have a very bad rust through spot at the rear window.
Some of the tinting is lifting.
And a few other stuff that I rarely use or notice.
So, those repairs aren't worth it.
I don't like the new body styles.
Like the sleek look of my '91 coupe.
But it is time...
My husband says since I like to keep cars, the new car will probably be my last major drive (hint about how old I am but really will be driving through two more cars.)
Thanks,
S
Bluetooth comes in handy for folks that NEED to keep both hands on the wheel while driving and talking on the phone, so in reality...it's not a gimmick.
Nav. systems are a matter of preference, to some it's a gimmick, but there are plenty that live and die by those things.
Remote entry, hardly a gimmick when you are trying to get in your car in a torrential downpour.
Come on now...an alarm being a gimmick???
Kill switch means a thief will HAVE to put your car up on a flat bed to haul it away.
Ignition keys with chips, again...something else to deter would be thieves. Hardly a gimmick.
Valet keys, not a gimmick if you don't want some young punk valet or parking attendant nosing through your glove box and trunk!
Search and scan for radio/cd...some things are best left alone.
At least you have enough sense to think air bags as something important.
ABS I may have to agree with you on. This is the first car I've ever owned with it and if I could have opted to not have it...I would have.
Active head restraints lessen the chance of whip lash if rear ended, I'm sure your neck wouldn't think it a gimmick in the event you should endure such an accident.
ESC another thing like ABS, I've seen too many cars in ditches that have similar features. If you drive smart and for the conditions...you don't need it.
Power seats, you use them if they are in the car. It's a quicker adjustment with a manual seat, however it's nice to reach down and make and adjustment at the touch of a button. Convenience more so than gimmick.
Power windows are great and I love the one touch up/down feature for the fronts. Ever had all 4 windows down in a car with manual windows and it started raining hard? Not a bad deal when you're driving with the family and everyone has their own window to put up, but if you're by yourself...been there, done that. I'll take power windows without thinking twice.
Trust me, with a little research and time...there is plenty you can still do to some cars yourself. On my '02 Sonata, I did my own oil changes and changed my own brakes (front & back) myself. The only thing I needed the dealer for was to change the timing belt and install the spark plugs I provided (dealer wanted $13/plug and I paid $1.89...you do the math). Another thing that helps is a real good relationship with the service department manager. If he feels you're competent in maintaining your car...he'll tell you how you can do certain things on your own.
With the 10 yr./100K mile warranty, if the car runs rough and stalls...you may not have to pay anything if a tune up doesn't fix it.
In reality it is a gimmick because cell phones with speakerphones and voice command can be had ar a very reasonable price.
Nav. systems are a matter of preference, to some it's a gimmick, but there are plenty that live and die by those things.
Tell me how many times you would have lived or died by not having one? I can think only one time in my entire life when I really needed one, oh wait I found my way I guess i didn't need it that bad after all. Its thousands of dollars for something that in reality will rarely be used, needs to be updated repeatedly and can be replace with something a fraction of the price.
Remote entry, hardly a gimmick when you are trying to get in your car in a torrential downpour.
It takes a fraction of a second to put the key in the lock.
Come on now...an alarm being a gimmick???
How many times have you heard an alarm going off with no one doing a thing about it? I have a cousin that does repro and sets off alarms all the time. It doesn't stop him.
Valet keys, not a gimmick if you don't want someone nosing through your glove box and trunk!
Face it most cars these days don't have locks on the glove compartment and remote truck releases inside the car. If they are inside your car they can get inside those places.
ABS I may have to agree with you on. This is the first car I've ever owned with it and if I could have opted to not have it...I would have.
Active head restraints lessen the chance of whip lash if rear ended, I'm sure your neck wouldn't think it a gimmick in the event you should endure such an accident.
I didn't excatly say it was a gimmick.
Trust me, with a little research and time...there is plenty you can still do to some cars yourself.
There is less and less you can do, sure you can change the oils and brakes, but get one bad fuel injector and your in trouble.
With the 10 yr./100K mile warranty, if the car runs rough and stalls...you may not have to pay anything if a tune up doesn't fix it.
Yeah but it doesn't help if you have a car with over 100K miles on it. Or if you have 37K miles and your car only has a 36K mile warranty.
However...you can go and spend the money for one of those diagnostic contraptions and read the computer yourself to find out what's wrong. I'm sure after a few readings...the machine will have paid for itself.
Not sure thats the case.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Nav. Systems: Personally, I'm not one to use nav. systems. I can print my directions from the internet and be just as content. However, there's a great number of people that feel they need it. If it's available...they want it, however...some don't think of the cost to keep it updated.
Remote Entry: Yes...once you get the key in, it only takes a second to turn it and open the door, but how much better do you feel about actually opening the door as you approach and being able to just open the door and hop in once you're there? Trust me...I'll take remote entry any day.
Alarm: I'm not saying an alarm would stop anyone, however it also depends on where you park your car too. If you're in an area where there's lots of windows or pedestrian traffic, it's likely to cause someone to look. Your cousin does repo and I'm sure he doesn't set the alarm off if it's likely to get him caught. Most repo men don't want any interaction with the car owner.
Valet Keys: Those cars that don't come with all that, probably don't come with a valet key either. The Azera happens to have a locking glove box and the ability to lock the trunk out too. So a valet key is very handy.
Active Head Restraints: You didn't say it was a gimmick, you said 50/50. It's not a gimmick in the slighest, just something that's nice to have since it's avaiable.
Maintenance: Yes, there is less you can do on a car compared to 10 years ago, however...a bad fuel injector is covered by the warranty. Also, if you keep up with your oil changes and use a good fuel system cleaner from time to time...clogged injectors aren't an issue. My Sonata at 105K miles on it when I traded it in and it NEVER had a fuel system issue. Used Castrol Syntech blend (10W30) and with each oil change I put a can of Berryman's Chem-tool in the gas to maintain the fuel system.
Well...having 37K on a car with only a 36K mile warranty isn't an issue here buddy. Since I paid the $1100 to extend my warranty...the powertrain warranty is boosted to 120K miles now!
You're not sure because it's not something you've looked into. You figure to pay $65 per/diagnostic (industry standard price for now). If you pay for a handheld diagnostic computer and you use it a few times...it pays for itself because if YOU use it, you can then take your car in and tell the mechanic exactly what is wrong and what to fix. However, it helps to be car savvy in such a situation.
No. My phone all I have to do is touch one button and I have voice prompt. Push one button and start giving it voice commands, works either with the speaker or an ear piece. I will admit that I have to set it to driving mode but that can be done before driving. Man the thing will even make a voice announcement of whos calling instead of ringing.
Nav. Systems: Personally, I'm not one to use nav. systems.
The caddy has a nav system, I almost laughed when I first used it. I had it give directions to a friends house (he lives an hour and a half away) It gave me the longest route (both in time and distance). To be fair most mapping software (i.e. mapquest) would do the same thing. I prefer rand McNally.
but how much better do you feel about actually opening the door as you approach and being able to just open the door and hop in once you're there?
I have remote entry and I have to say it doesn't save me much time. The key is in the lock so fast its not an issue. Plus I rather not have the car unlock until I am right there.
Valet Keys: Those cars that don't come with all that, probably don't come with a valet key either.
I don't have a locking box and I have a remote trunk release (I think most cars do) and a valet key. Seems silly to me.
however...a bad fuel injector is covered by the warranty.
If my fuel injector go bad I am not covered under warranty for my daily drive. Warranties are useless one they expire. I intend to put at least half of the miles on my car outside of the warranty.
Also, if you keep up with your oil changes and use a good fuel system cleaner from time to time...clogged injector aren't an issue.
Injector can go bad without clogging. BTW Gas has additives in it to keep injector clean, I never you fuel injector cleaners.
My Sonata at 105K miles on it when I traded it in and it NEVER had a fuel system issue.
Good but as far as I am concerned getting 105K miles is nothing. Currently my Elantra has that beat by 25K miles and I want to get many more years out of it. It would be nice for it to be more back yard mechanic friendly.
Since I paid the $1100 to extend my warranty...the powertrain warranty is boosted to 120K miles now!
To tell the truth I am glad I didn't pay extra to extend my warranty as nothing went wrong until I hit 131K. And even then it cost $850 less than $1,100.
You're not sure because it's not something you've looked into.
You're right I haven't looked into it, but I am pretty sure for a decent one you have to get more than a handheld.
it pays for itself because if YOU use it, you can then take your car in and tell the mechanic exactly what is wrong and what to fix.
Well don't take it to a dealer, no dealer will accept your diagnostic and will hook it up themselves and then you still have a $65 bill to start off. Not sure what your local mechanic would do.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Keyless entry: How can you possibly say it doesn't save you any time? If you hit the button AS you approach the vehicle, you merely have to pull the handle to open. Rather than inserting the key, turning it and pulling it out befor you can open it and get in???
Valet key: The only reason I can think of a company doing that and no locking glove box and you can't lock the trunk out would be that you don't have to give up your key to have it parked. If not...consider it a spare key to keep at home. The Azera has a remote trunk release, but...you can lock that function out by pushing a button located in the glove box.
Fuel injector: If it goes bad, it doesn't matter if it's daily driving, weekend driving or anything...it's bad, it's bad. Fuel injectors only fail if they are defective or clogged. Clogged can be fixed or even prevented. Defective is covered by warranty.
You fail to realize...the 105K miles came in the course of 4 years of driving. I could have held onto it because there was nothing wrong with it, however...with my children growing, I needed a car with more leg room. I'm 6'2" and sitting behind me wasn't a wonderful thing. Anyway, paying the extra $1100 for extended coverage is like paying for insurance. You're mad that you pay the rates you pay monthly, especially if you never get into an accident, however...when you do get into and accident (God forbid), you're so glad you paid. Same applies...you may never need it, but if you do...thank goodness!!!
No...the way they make the hand held diagnostic readers, you can plug it in and the machin captures the code. You get a book that helps you decipher what the problem is. That's it.
Well...if I take my car to the dealer and I know what's wrong with it and they charge me for a diagnostic I didn't ask for...I'm not paying for it. If the service department knows you know what you're talking about...they'll work around it. Trust me...I've done it. Got a free CV boot replacement because of that. Went in to get one done, when I showed up to pick the car up...they did both and tried to charge me for both. Well...nobody called me to inform me of the 2nd one and I didn't ask for it. They immediately fixed the bill and found a way to place the 2nd one under the warranty.
Where there's a will, there's a way. Just admit you're not one for the 21st Century and I can accept that. What are you gonna do when cars run on voice commands, require retina scans to start and take the controls out your hand and become computer driven??? LOL Smart cruise control is almost there...it'll keep you from hitting a car in front of you, but it won't change lanes or make turns for you. I guess that feature is a gimick too, huh?
I'm out for the evening...have a good one.
How long does it take to put in a key and turn it? By the time it takes my left hand to grab onto the door handle my right hand has the key in the lock and is turning it. It doesn't take much coordination to do that.
Defective is covered by warranty.
Again a warranty is only as good as long as it lasts. Go over the allowed mileage and you have no warranty.
You fail to realize...the 105K miles came in the course of 4 years of driving.
I realize that, what you fail to realize is that more and more people are holding onto cars longer and longer. I am going to push for 200K on mine. That means half of my driving will be without a warranty.
You get a book that helps you decipher what the problem is. That's it.
Still just about every dealer will run their own so if you take it to the dealer for service you wasted your money on the handheld. Your local mechanic may do things differently. Mine will run their own.
Just admit you're not one for the 21st Century and I can accept that.
No I am for the 21st century. I am just against change simply for the sake of change. I am against getting things just because someone else considers it better. I just don't think you make life much better by making things more complicated. I think that life would be more pleasant if people would get out of their air-conditioned homes with their multitude of cable stations with surround sound and sit on their front porch and get to experience the world and know their neighbors.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
It does if both hands are full of packages, or babies, or whatever.
Again, with a warranty lasting up to 120K miles...what's the problem? Oh...a big problem if you own a vehicle that doesn't have a warranty lasting that long. Well, I don't have that problem. Next!
Oh...I'm aware that folks are holding on to cars longer. I plan on holding onto this Azera even longer than the 4 years. I would still have the Sonata if it had the leg room. Let's put this in perspective...a typical 3 yr/36K mile warranty would have been gone for me in the 1st year, so that means 1/4 of my ownership would have been covered by warranty. However, my car was under warranty the entire time I owned it.
Again, I'm not paying for something I said I didn't need. You can let the dealer railroad you and make you pay something you don't have to pay if you want.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...change simply for the sake of change. The only problem with that statement is YOU are not the one to determine what change is made for the simple sake of change. Everyone is different and what you may think of as frivolous, the next person may deem necessary.
I agree with you, the world needs to reconnect, and get to know each other again. Some people can live next door to someone for 10 years and never know that person, which is a crying shame. However, none of this has anything to do with technology on cars.
I was thinking about this as I was approaching my car. Walking up to the door with the car on mi right side key in my right hand. In the time it took me to swing my left hand across my body and grab the door handle I had the key in the lock and turned. A keyless entry would not have gotten me in any better. Now I will admit that approaching the car from another angle might yield different results but I am not going to complain if it takes me 1/2 second longer to get in my car. And as I have said before I would rather not have my doors unlock until I am right at them.
Again, with a warranty lasting up to 120K miles...what's the problem?
The problem is what happens after 120k miles. The notion is that engine technology has advanced and that is better. I am challenging that notion because all the new technology make them harder and more expensive to repair. Now the warranty is only as good as the warranty lasts, what happens after that. More and more people are keeping cars longer and longer.
Well, I don't have that problem. Next!
Nice misdirection there. We are not talking about warranties or wasting your money on extended ones. The item we are talking about is the so called better technology has made repairs more expensive.
Let's put this in perspective
Ok lets a 3 year 36K warranty for me would have been as good as your 120K warranty. but the fact is that almost half (maybe more) of my driving will be outside of any warranty available. So all those technological advance will mean that most of my repairs will cost me more time and money. To me thats not a benefit to me, nor to the lady with the 15 year old car.
Again, I'm not paying for something I said I didn't need.
Ah then you won't have the dealer making the repairs.
The only problem with that statement is YOU are not the one to determine what change is made for the simple sake of change.
The only problem with that statement is that you are making yourself the determining factor for change. Face it not all change is good or beneficial. Just because something is more technoligically advanced doesn't mean its better. I am more than willing to embrace change and I do it all the time, but we have to really ask ourselves is it really better?
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Warranty & Extended warranty: Okay...you may be fortunate enough to have a vehicle that absolutely nothing goes wrong with it that it requires a trip to the shop for anything. Why do you think Toyota offers the basic of all warranties? They know that nothing will happen in that time frame and it won't cost 'em much of anything. However, a car going 120K miles without some sort of something happening to it is HIGHLY unlikely. Cars are mechanical by nature and something is likely to happen, no matter how well you take care of it. I've had a few warranty repairs for my Sonata, 2 or 3 happening after 36K miles. Had I only had THAT type of warranty, I would have been paying out of pocket. However, I had the Hyundai warranty and I didn't. Nobody ever said there wasn't a down side to "better" technology. Believe it or not, there are a lot of repairs that don't cost and arm and a leg. I had an input sensor on the transmission go bad on a 98 Chrysler Concorde. The part was like $30 and the labor was like $75, an hour of time and I was back on the road. I know what you want...a reset button that makes everything go back to factory defaults and you're good to go again. Sorry, their cars...not computers (although...that could be changing in the future).
Oh...the dealer will be making the repairs, they just won't be charging me for stuff that I didn't authorize. Let me run an example your way. You take the car in for an oil change, but you tell the service tech. that you hear a clicking noise coming from one of the front wheels. They take the car and when you get it back, you have a bill for an oil change & a diagnostic, but the problem was you need to replace a CV boot. Do you think you should be paying for that diagnostic when it wasn't needed? If you're car savvy, you would know a clicking noise from a front wheel doesn't need a computer diagnostic to tell you something isn't right and any mechanic worth his weight in tools will know what it is up frong. Now if it's the engine...that's a different story. However...if mine is running rough, I'll opt for a tune up first before I make a move.
Okay...if YOU don't need it, don't pay for it, but don't be mad at the industry for offering it.
I'm far from being the determining factor for change. I've never been one to advocate that advanced technology equates to better. Trust me, I work in a building that's technologically advanced and it makes life a living hell sometimes. Change and non-change is all relevant depending on who it pertains to. There will always be some changes that are better for the masses and some that only benefit a select few. The question is...can one adapt easily and effortlessly as to not get lost in the shuffle?
Honestly, you come across like my father (Heaven forbid), the man can handle change in small doses and spaced far enough apart. However...once he gets stuck in a particular way...that's just how he remains. Me...I accept change as a way of life. Life mimicking nature, man evolves almost on a daily basis now and life must keep up. I agree with you wholeheartedly that not all change in necessary, but it happens and you have no choice but to accept that fact...you can't change it. You just don't have to utilize those changes if you choose not to. That's one thing that hasn't changed...choice.
You can choose to get features and options on a car or you can choose not to have 'em. Just because they are offered doesn't mean you have to get 'em. If it's a car you plan on holding onto for a long time, it doesn't matter, but...if you plan on trading it in down the road, having those extra features up the re-sale vaule of the vehicle and make it more appealing to a dealer upon trade in. Thus, equating more money back to you.
So...going back to a word I used in one of my intial posts, it boils down to preferences. I you like it or want it...get it, if not...then don't. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to get all the latest gadets, gizmos, bells & whistles on a vehicle. If you get it, then don't complain about it because YOU got it. If you didn't get it and you wanted it, then blame yourself for not getting it. Don't take it out on the world simply because it exists and is available for those that want them.
In average everyday use its going to keep me out of my car for a whole half second longer BFD.
Warranty & Extended warranty
I will not address warranties simply because it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
Oh...the dealer will be making the repairs, they just won't be charging me for stuff that I didn't authorize.
I don't know any dealers that will do a repair based on what the customer says. They will need to run a diagnostic on it. Its one of the reasons I try to stay away from dealers repair shops.
I've never been one to advocate that advanced technology equates to better.
than don't put forth that argument.
going back to a word I used in one of my intial posts, it boils down to preferences.
Exactly, what led to this discussion was that it was that all those things in a car made it suprerior. My point was most of what were mentioned were gimmicks (not all but most) and that there are times when they simply don't make it better.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Ahhh, but you stated that a warranty was somewhat a gimmick as well, so in part...it has plenty to do with our conversation.
Again, having a rapport with the service department gets you in the door. If they feel you know what you're talking about...there's less of a chance they'll snowball you. Then again, if it's something covered by the above mentioned warranty, then it's a non-issue anyway because you won't be paying for anything!!!
Oh, I can put forth the argument because I'm a realist and I see both sides of the argument. I just happen to be on one side of it. Just because I don't agree with something, doesn't mean it can't exist.
Well...I've never heard anyone state that having all the features and ameneties on a car makes it better (supposedly, it makes the driving experience better), but having them can make the vehicle worth more. Granted, there are some things that really are just an expensive repair waiting to happen. In my opinion, what makes a car better is a proven track record of dependability or any improvments to facilitate that track record.
However, you use the word gimmick and if you look the word up it states "A trivial or unnecessary innovation, as a gadget, added to enhance or appeal." Hardly can any of the "features" you've listed can be listed as trivial and the determination of necessity is on an individual basis. I'm sure you'll find more for than against, in which case...the masses win. An example of an unnecessary innovation would be the installation of video monitors in the head rests of the rear seats of a sedan. However, that is not something you see the auto industry offering, yet...you see people doing it.
I really do not like the taste of other peoples words so please don't put any in my mouth. I never said warranty work was a gimmick or somewhat of a gimmick.
Well...I've never heard anyone state that having all the features and ameneties on a car makes it better
Then you haven't been reading this thread.
Hardly can any of the "features" you've listed can be listed as trivial and the determination of necessity is on an individual basis.
Lets be realistic here. no one needs any of those items. they may want them, they may desire them they may even think they need them, but in reality they don't. Food is something you need, having your doors unlock before you get to your car isn't. Shelter you need, express power windows isn't. Clothing is something you need, blue tooth technology is not.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Actually I have, maybe you've just been seeing what you want to see. What I've seen people saying is that by what the Azera offers in the way of features and amenities, it makes the car a BETTER VALUE, not a better car.
Now, there you go, the pot calling the kettle black again. You accuse me of being the one to claim myself as the determining factor for change and yet, you're doing the same just in the opposite way. Again, what you deem as a need, someone else may think a frivolity. Something you may think of as novel, someone else may think of as a need. Granted, there are some needs that are just obvious and don't need to be explained. You are hardly the one to be dubbed as THE one to determine the needs of mankind.
You don't need cable or satellite, but I bet you enjoy one of them, don't you? Would you ever go back to hooking an antenna up to your TV and watching local stations again? No, I bet you wouldn't, therefore...you now feel you need cable or satellite. There are just some things that come along as a convenience that actually do make life a little simpler. One touch up/down windows are a godsend when driving through a toll plaza, entering a parking garage or something like that. You get your ticket, tap the switch once and both your hands are available on the steering wheel to navigate your next move seemlessly. Of course this would really have more impact if it were raining/snowing, extremely cold out, or even very windy. Bluetooth technology, allows you to have an earpiece in that you can tap a button on to answer a call or hang up. You don't have to reach for a phone, you just reach up and tap the button and you're on/off. With the way people drive while talking on phones...is a necessity. Clothing may be something we need, however...it doesn't justify paying $150 for pair of jeans does it? Yet, people do because they feel they need to. You may not, I may not, but there are countless others that do.
So, yes...let's be realistic here.
I don't have a distain for warranties, I just think that the extra money that people pay for an extended warranty would be better put in an investment account to pay for future reapirs. I said nothing to make anyone think that I had a distain for them.
However, you were wise not to directly state them as a gimmick.
I didn't say it was agimmick, I didn't imply it I didn't even bring it up. FWIW I have been trying to get off that subject because it has nothing to do with anything I wrote. Again please stop putting words in my mouth.
it makes the car a BETTER VALUE, not a better car.
Again has nothing to do with what started this thread. I suggest you reread it. The original poster was stating that all those things makes todays car better than the ones made 15 years ago. Lets stay on the topic here ok?
Now, there you go, the pot calling the kettle black again. You accuse me of being the one to claim myself as the determining factor for change and yet, you're doing the same just in the opposite way.
Again I never said it I never implied it STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.
You don't need cable or satellite, but I bet you enjoy one of them, don't you?
You lose that one. I rarely watch TV.
Would you ever go back to hooking an antenna up to your TV and watching local stations again?
Actually I would love to and save some money. Heck if it wasn't for the fact that my wife watches TV I wouldn't have one.
Bluetooth technology, allows you to have an earpiece in that you can tap a button on to answer a call or hang up.
Again many cell phones (actually more and more do today) allow you to do that so why do I need to spend more money for something that would do nothing more than what my cell phone currently does?
Clothing may be something we need, however...it doesn't justify paying $150 for pair of jeans does it?
It doesn't and it has little to do with this conversation simply because I don't have $150 jeans (if you do I seriously question your sensibilities).
So, yes...let's be realistic here.
Yes and when you are ready to start get back to me.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
The warranty, became and issue when you stated it was something that people really didn't need because things don't happen until after the warranty is over anyway. Yes...YOU said that (maybe not word for word, but you said it), which made it relevant to this conversation. Your steadfast notion that the auto industry is offering more and more of what we don't need, but rather packaging it up as gimmickery to get someone to buy it. Isn't that what all this about?
Okay, so you don't watch much TV, but having a wife that does...makes it a necessity. But now you're proving even more that YOU are the one setting yourself as the determining factor for non-change.
Yes, you have phones with the same Bluetooth technology, but you still need the headset to work it. If you don't, then you're right back to fumbling with an actual phone which takes your eyes off the road and a hand doing something other than driving. The phones that aren't Bluetooth adaptive have an earpiece attached to a cord which can just be annoying in the car. Bluetooth simply removes that annoying wire.
Dude, you've got some serious isssues. You don't want someone putting words in your mouth...yet, you did that to me earlier. Practice what you preach buddy. :surprise:
No, I don't have a pair of jeans that cost me more than $20 to be honest. My sensibilities are intact...like I said earlier, I'm a realist. However, I can accept and adapt to changes in our everchanging world.
You seem to be the type that needs to lose himself in the mountains, living in a cabin with no electricity, no telephone, no radio or other niceties that come along with urban living. Funny...you don't watch much TV, but you sure are on the internet a lot, but wait a minute...you don't NEED internet do you? :P
No I did not say that. I said the way they make cars these days makes the expensive to fix and much cannot be done by the backyard mechanic like in days gone by. You said that it didn't matter due to having long warranties. My comment was that for those who keep their cars for longer than the warranty lasts (and more and more are doing so) they still have to deal with higher repair bills past that warranty period. And we all know that as any machine gets older it requires more and more repairs. I never said or implied that a warranty was a gimmick, nor did I say or implied that people didn't need a warranty, nor did I say or implied that nothing goes wrong during the warranty period (saying nothing went wrong on my car is not the same as saying nothing goes wrong on all cars).
Now quit twisting things around.
or use some logic when it comes to trying to figure out what people are saying.
Okay, so you don't watch much TV, but having a wife that does...makes it a necessity.
Ah.... actually no it doesn't. She can live without it.
Yes, you have phones with the same Bluetooth technology, but you still need the headset to work it.
Actually no, I can do it with a speakerphone or a wired headset. no need to waste money on bluetooth.
yet, you did that to me earlier.
When? or it that just twisting things around to mean things that were never said like you have been resorting to?
...like I said earlier, I'm a realist.
you don't seem to br, you seem to be in your own little world.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Looking to buy a Limited/Ultimate with all options except the windscreen for the sunroof in Venetian Blue with Gray leather...
Why don't you just stop whining about the cost of repairs, sell your car and get yourself a bicycle and then you don't have to worry about any of it. Then again, you'll find a way to complain about the gimmicks of the bicycle industry and be so frustrated you'll just be relegated to walking. However, you'll need shoes and I'm sure you'll point to the gimmicks of the shoe industry too, huh? LOL (honestly, this is too funny to me)
So now you're dictating what your wife would deem as a need, huh? Starting to sound like a hypocrite now.
Yes, to work the speaker phone, again...you have to grab the phone to work it. A wired headset has the wire that gets in the way, thus...the introduction of Bluetooth headsets. No fumbling with the actual phone and no wires to get tangled in your seatbelt or tie or whatever else they get tangled in. Neat, effecient, one-button operation.
You put words in my mouth when you stated I was telling everyone how to drive. Say you didn't, I dare you!
Oh, I have no problem admitting to things I've said or actually meaning what I say as well. I don't have to shroud things in obscure comments that can be taken one way or the other. I say what I mean and mean what I say.
Hmmmmmm...you claim I don't seem to be a realist, yet...I have the ability to accept change and know it's inevitable. Do you know what a realist is?
You have the ability to see things from either side, yet you only choose to see your side and therefore, the other side is irrelevant. Just because it doesn't make sense to you, it shouldn't exist. Sounds to me like you're the one in your own little world.
How deftly you dodged the comment about the internet. After all...it's not truly a need is it? LMAO
You two need to stop posting about this - take it off-line if you need to continue, but you are overwhelming this discussion.
Have a good evening.