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Actually, all paint colors on Sonata's and Azera's as available are (NO CHARGE, NADA, ZIP, FREEBEE).
One needs to know the base MSRP for a given model with different options and then determine if the 'dealer' added the $200.00 (for paint) as a little, should we say, 'dealer bonus'?
What aftermarket oil filters are compatible to Hyundai OEM filter kits with the 2 O rings?
To the best of my knowledge, Purolator either has, or soon will have, a direct replacement for OEM Hyundai with the O rings. This is their PureOne line of filters, which has excellent filter media. In the case of a cannister filter, the anti-drainback is part of the cover design generally. This varies from design to design however. Personally, I wish manufacturers would have kept spin-on filters, but the cannisters are more environmentally friendly.
Interesting . . . as more things change, the more the stay the same. A few of my old '50s vintage cars, both American and European, used cannister filters. Moving to a spin-on was a evolutionary improvement at that time!
A bit off subject, sorry, but I had to share that.
Yeah, I understand the 'cold start' (choke) RPM increase, the rattle was the concern. I wanted to know if it was just in my head and it wasn't. So don't call the guys in the white jackets just yet, I'm still sane, I think?
Any time metal to metal rattles it's not good. HMUSA put a new motor, aluminum vs. the steel/cast iron motor put in XG.
We're only at 690 miles so all of the filter stuff is factory and it only sits overnight, maybe 18hrs. None the less it appears that I will be changing over to synthetic at first oil change. In the meantime a can of STP will work just fine to help keep the upper end lubed before the cold start.
The truth is that I did not see the color charge in any of the sites that I used while I was searching for my car. So it was a surprise seeing it when I went to the dealer to pickup my car.
However I do believe that I did not pay for it, since I negotiated the price before selecting the actual color.
regards
Edgar
If you have a concern with the start-up noise or rattle, please bring it to the attention of your Hyundai's Service Department, or a good independent mechanic. There may be a TSB reflecting this in the Azera. As you may know, you can register at Hyundai's service website and access ALL service info for your car, including the TSB (Technical Service Bulletins). Just remember to use MS Internet Explorer web browser, as their site is not alternate browser (such as Mozilla Firefox or Opera) friendly.
Re. switching over to a synthetic oil at the first oil change . . . I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. I've used synthetic since the early '80s, and have never experienced a mechanical failure in an engine. I currently use 5W-30 Mobil 1 in my Hyundai, and in my two older SAABs. Both SAABs have over 150K, and nothing but normal maintenance has ever been done on the engines. However, I still maintain a 3K/3mo. oil change interval. Some may say this is OCD-based, but I would rather be safe than sorry.
I would think that it's a bit unusual for hydraulic lifters to leak down in only 18 hours. Maybe what you're hearing is the steel timing chain before the tensioner pumps up (assuming it's a hydraulic chain tensioner)?? This is only a guess.
Good luck with your Azera.
Sorry! I did not intend to offend. I have used petrol based tar and bug removers for years,and have never observed abrasion marks. Do you know the chemical content of the RainX product?
I'm a little OCD so I can identify. Have used synthetic since the early 80's too, swear by the stuff. Ran an 85 STE (115k), 90 Grand Prix (225k), 90 Cutlass (136k) and a couple of others well over 100k. I too change every 3k not 3mo. because the vehicles are garage kept and reached the 3k interval before 3 mo. Currently it takes about 5 mths to reach 3k and again I won't change at 3 mo. because oil doesn't go bad just sitting. Example, oil on the shelf in the store may be on the shelf for months or longer or in the drum at dealers which often sit outside in the hot/cold sun 24/7, it doesn't break down.
My concern goes back to these type of problems years past, especially with 'new' engine designs/types/styles. Buick presented a V-6 back in the late 70's, new design. It became a big problem for GM. Seems the pickup and upper end oiling was less than required. Net was burnt mains, pointed instead of balled push rod ends and more. I actually tore more than one down and the findings were the same. Brother worked for Buick engineering and presented the problem after I showed him the engines. Buick came and took the engines and made imediate changes. Ford had the same problem with the early 70's 302 only they would spin mains and seize under load.
I don't think that is the issue here and it well may be minor or of no concern but I'm going to try a couple of things just to see. May even put my recorder under the hood for that initial start up and take that to the dealer.
Thank you for the reply, you gave me more to consider.
Rain-X is 100% bio-degradable sooooo I think it's safe to say there are no petroleum additives.
I did and you can call 1-800-542-6424 questions/comments about Rain-X (hope Pat doesn't give me heck for this, I'm already on thin ice).
I'll let you make comment to the forum on what Rain-X tells you.
The abrasive (maybe a better term/word could be used) in petroleum keeps metal clean and lubricated but it's wear is in microns or less.
It may well be that you have not rubbed one spot 'hard' enough to create a dull spot or the cloth you used was super soft.
I can tell you that the Rain-X mix takes the suicide bugs, road tar, oil, sap off without rubbing hard, I like it.
Permit me to add my two cents. Most spin-on oil filters have TWO valves - an anti-drainback valve and a pressure relief bypass valve. (GM uses a block-mounted pressure bypass valve on most engine series, so OEM and aftermarket oil filters for GM engines often contain no bypass valve.) Anti-drainback valves prevent dirty oil in the outer chamber from draining back to the sump after engine shutdown. ("You can check in, but you can't check out." -Hotel California) This valve - nothing more than a black or orange rubber flap visible through the multiple oil inlet holes, has to be positioned at the baseplate of the spin-on oil filter to do its job (Duhh!). The pressure relief bypass valve allows oil flow to the engine if the filtration media becomes clogged, in the case of startup during very cold weather when the motor oil is "reluctant" to move rapidly enough through the filtration media without stressing the case to rupture, or during high-speed operation - all of which could lead to engine oil starvation. The pressure relief bypass valve allows unfiltered oil to bypass the filtration media and flow directly to the engine during the above situations, since even unfiltered oil is better than no oil. The pressure bypass valve is automatic in operation, and when the internal pressure differential between the outer and inner chambers drops to the proper level, oil is again routed through the filtration media. Pressure bypass valves may be located at either end, though baseplate positioned pressure bypass valves are considered by some (Ford's a big proponent of this design.) to be the better choice since the oil can be immediately routed back out the filter to the engine's oil galleries rather than working its way the length of the oil filter before being allowed into the output tube at the dome of the oil filter. In practice, I doubt there's much real advantage either way. Champion Labs, maker of some K&N, Mobil 1, WalMart SuperTech, Autozone Valuecraft, and some American Bosche oil filters has introduced an updated spin-on oil filter design, "e-core", that cleverly combines both the pressure bypass and anti-drainback valves in one simplified piece.
Carpeted floor mats with 'Azera' stitched in are standard/free with the Limited, why buy?
Would you be so kind to let me know where did you get the Mud Guards and Custom Floor Mats?
Did you check for your black azera in other dealers in your region? I had the same issue and after a while I found a dealer that was able to get it from another dealer for me.
Regards
Edgar
jnd17 has the mud guards and floor mats, maybe he can help
I picked the mud guards up at the local Hyundai dealer
I have the powder white pearl, I think jnd17 is waiting on the black with beige interior
Hope that helps some,
Jim
The wait is good, gives the weather a chance to perk up a bit.
Jim
Thanks for the info and I am sorry for the confusion.
Regards
Edgar
Nice car, but definitely not marshmallow soft as you can really feel the road and lumps and bumps, but on smooth roadway very nice. Very happy I went with this car and not a Honda or Toyota. I have not had any problems, rattles, squeaks...nada at 1200 miles.
To the previous poster who thinks the car is overpriced, good luck finding ANYTHING like this car, new with standard warranty for under 28K.
but hyundai is not overpriced!
As an aside, it seems to me if Hyundai really wanted to up the ante regarding perceived value (aka, "depreciation") of their products in North America, the company would allow full transfer of their powertrain warranty to subsequent owners such as Suzuki (formerly Daewoo) does.
Cheers!
Ray
"With a 263-horsepower V6 engine the Azera bolts to 60 mph in a surprising 6.5 seconds."
"Large back window and rearward-sloping trunk result in the best rear visibility we're seen in years."
"Hyundai's Azera holds its own against 'near luxury' rivals yet costs less than many."
"With a base price of $26,835, the well-equipped Azera Limited undercuts several other large sedans by as much as $7,000. Our $28,415 test car came with an optional sunroof, six-CD changer and a clunky-looking tinted wind deflector that attached to the front edge of the sunroof. The deflector hurt the car's looks and gave us flashbacks to the early 1980s when such add-ons were common. But some of the standard features, like a power-operated rear-window sunshade, reminded us of a top-of-the-line Lexus or Audi.
Smooth Shifter
Like most sedans in its class, the Azera is good enough in all categories, but doesn't really stand out in any of them. Its 263-horsepower, six-cylinder engine is 36% more powerful than the motor in its predecessor, the slow and bland XG350. A smooth-shifting, five-speed automatic transmission helps make accelerating, passing and climbing steep hills seem fairly effortless by allowing the engine to make less noticeable transitions from one gear to the next. Handling is reasonably sharp, and the car's suspension, while too soft for vigorous sport-sedan-style driving, gives a nice combination of isolation from bumps and feedback from the road.
The Azera appears to mark the end of buyers having to explain their reasons for buying a Hyundai. Where previous models lagged behind the competition in design, quality and performance, the Azera is at least on par with rivals. We also think it has a prettier shape than many competitors. Its low cost is simply icing on the cake."
sounds like a charles bronson theme...
in the glove box, in the bag with the black books one finds a quick reference guide... in that guide it talks about, auto door lock options, limp home mode, which can use four numbers of your choosing, which it does not mention and I think it mentions easy-out
I had to show it to the mechanic and from there he performed magic
Drove around the city for two days, daughters wedding. Drove past 'The Donalds' and hobnobbed a bit.
Drove back to Daytona via Route 1. Overall mpg cam in at a very respectable 24.3, the key here was use of the cruise control as much as possible.
Now I must tell you I saw 'one' Azera during this ride, silver, it was heading North on Route 1. Makes me wonder if it was floridabob?
Now a trip like this wouldn't be possible without a little story... seems like other cars/vehicles would come up quickly from behind but wouldn't pass. This wasn't a one or two time affair but from 14 to 19 vehicles did this. Made me wonder till I realized they were looking at the Azera, smooth, real smooth. I best liked the Lexus, BMW, Audi G4, Avalon drivers who really stared, smooth, real smooth.
The trip was a dream, comfortable, smooth ride, cool air, just loving that Azera, but hey lets get real, we, the owners and drivers in this forum, like/love em cause to us they are just plain 'SMOOTH'
Actually saw a Mazzeratti, new, on the streets of WPB and ran into it's owner at 'Howlie's' the next day, he was walking around, yeah, that's right, actually walking around the Azera. Nice man, said he was going to get one for his daughter-in-law, go figure. Yes, I did walk around and touch the Mazz, wow.
Waldorf, MD...Ken Dixon Hyundai.
Installing stereos or nav. units are quite easy to install on the Sonatas. I had an '02 and changing the head unit to an aftermarket was a snap! With the room it had behind the dash, the possibilities were endless. I'm sure the '05 Sonatas are pretty much the same.
I'll say this much, the Sonata was by far the easiest vehicle I've ever done a stereo system installation on. Like it was made for that purpose (for those that are into that kind of thing).
I have heard about the Eclipse, but can't find any info.
I am hoping that a pop in replacement unit manufactured for the Azera becomes available.
Your best bet may be to find a custome installer to do it...if you want one in.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
It seems, if you are all to be believed that the dealers are getting these cars for nothing, or selling them below cost.
The market, in south Floida still seems to be strong for this model, with small inventories. Why would they sell these cars for no profit or even take a lose?