Why are you surprised that prices on the Azera are coming down over time? Maybe you didn't notice that Hyundai was offering for many months $3000 in rebates on the Sonata V6, and many buyers were getting below invoice before rebates (meaning an overall discount of $5000+). It is not surprising to me that prices are falling after the initial pent-up demand was satisfied and more units are available at dealerships. If you buy an all-new car the first few months it is available, you will usually pay for that privilege.
What do you call a good price for an unlimited Azera :confuse: in South Florida? Would $26,400 (before TTL and a dealer fee) meet your criteria of a low price? Why is so hard to believe? What incentive we will have to pbublish something that is not true ?
I thought that the spirit of this forum is to help each other . I just know that I have a great vehicle at an excellent price. It is one of these purchases that makes feel proud no matter what other people might tell you.
Do your homework, follow the leads that are given here and make your own decisions. At the end of the day is your money and you have your own priorities.
I feel that I did my homework, and when I found the absolute best deal that I could find I drove 160 miles (each way) to get my car to save up to more than $4K :shades: .
Hey, a couple of pictures to share from the day we picked this beautiful Azera up. We got a real nice deal, we're happy, that's what counts and we only had to drive 70 miles one way to save more than $2.5K.
It's fun to fold the mirrors in when we park in a lot or in the garage. We love the power when you need it, the comfort of the ride. We did look at the 'others' but that was it.
This vehicle is, The Wonderful One, and that's SMOOTH, real SMOOTH :shades:
Based on my research, and the TMV price by edmunds, buyers in my area were paying about $28,800 for my vehicle. After exchanging numbers a few times, I got the number down to $26,600. Even today, the TMV number is $27,900. I would never pay anything close to the MSRP.
Yes, I got $4300 for my trade in + the $1000 Hyundai Loyalty cash. That took the price down to around $21K. Tax, tags and title brought it back up to the $25K and change.
I order my Azera Limited Black with Beige Interior about 8 weeks ago. Traded in a 1994 Chevy Silverado 1500 Pick Up Truck. Cost $22,000 with Sales Tax $23,100 which is about $1,000 below invoice. Still waiting for delivery. JoeD
Most likely the system is dealer-installed and not factory as proposed before, I'm almost certain... But, dealers have a pretty good network and know where/how/what to get that people want these days, so - I wouldn't be suprised to see US dealers offer HID headlights, for example: the parts are available for European model "Grandeur" (same vehicle - different name) and you have to figure the assembly plant doesn't have two different assemblies for the same front-end. The place to put the hardware required is already there - got to be or they wouldn't be able to offer it in Europe. :shades:
Trip over, 100 miles give or take one or two miles averaged 28.4 mpg, some city driving then back to Daytona, total trip average 25.7.
In transit we played some Jim Morrison, Joe Cocker, Little Feat and more. Cranked it up to 15 for 'Light My Fire' :shades: , crystal clear and superb :shades: . Has anyone cranked it higher, if so, how high and how high will it go??? :confuse:
Volume tops out at 35! If you're playing orginal CD's, they'll play louder than burned CD's. MP3's play well too, I've got 3 MP3 discs in now (over 400 songs) recorded at 256kb and the music still sounds good.
However, if you really wanna hear how well the system plays...play a CD of a live performance.
I don't use the preset EQ settings. I've got the bass set on 10, the mids set on 5, and the treble set on 10 as well. I've also got the music faded towards the front (+2) for forward sound staging.
The system plays VERY nicely even with the windows down and at highway speeds...you still hear every note and feel every beat!
Wholly crap, '35' and I thought 15 was loud. We're only into original CD's, burned seems to cut too many notes. We aren't big on the EQ but it does bring some songs out of the cocoon, so to speak. We have our bass, mids, treb settings similar but faded the sound -2, 3 to the rear to centralize the sound, approximately where the front seat backs are in relation to the space.
Don't know if you listen to the Doobie Bros or not, if you do give 'Ole Black Water' a spin with the 10-5-10+2 with your choice of volume level and of course don't forget 'Queen', Rap in Blue, wish Pat had an icon for shiver/quiver, it would fit nicely here.
Now that the weather is geting nicer, I can't wait for a warm day with the windows and sunroof open and Doobie Brother's CHINA GROVE blaring while blasting down the interstate (not exceeding the speed limit, of course)
Yeah...being into the whole car audio thing, I always have to see what a factory system can do. I'll have to admit, of the ones I've heard first hand...the one in the Azera is definitely a well thought out system. I mean...the highs are pretty clear (could be a little crisper), but the definition between the highs and mids is where a lot of systems bog down. Another thing that helps is the sub located in the rear deck. The frequecy cutoff on the amp for all the speakers in the car creates an overlap so it sounds like the bass wraps around you. Only wish I had was the sub actually being better suited for the lower spectrum of the lower frequencies.
The preset EQ settings just don't bring any life to the music and the tonal controls are limited as well. That would be one of the few reasons I'm considering switching out the factory head unit to something that will give me more sound shaping control. Like this gem here, Kenwoods DPX-501:
Of course, it may take some slight tooling to get it to fit, but the pay off would be HUGE!!!
Can't say I'm a Doobie Bros. listener, but I'll definitely pop in some Bob James, Tom Scott, Najee...etc. and get a musical treat there. Jazz is one of the best musical formats to listen to when seeing how well a system will perform across the whole sound spectrum. Please note, this is only my opinion.
Sounds good to me! (literally...) I have a set of three CD's I take with me when I'm test-driving cars, just to see if they are worthy. Doobie Bros, Queen, Clapton. If it can't do those right, it's not worthy! :shades:
Hit 1500 miles today. Great car so far! I'm leasing and I talked to HMFC and they told me online payments should be operational within a month or two -- which is the way I prefer paying.
People LOVE the looks of my car. I get comments all the time and people are VERY curious about it. I get asked what it is and who makes it. But when I tell them "Hyundai" you should see their reactions. It's just so funny.
Them: "That car it so nice. Who makes it?"
Me: "Hyundai,"
(Sneer) "Oh . . .okay." Turns and walks away.
It's just so funny watching reactions. Hyundai has a long ways to go to build up their reputation here in Utah. Most people I talk to still view them as a very low grade cheap automaker.
I find it odd that I have yet to see another Azera besides my own. None. But I really like driving a "unique" car that few others have.
Sneer away...oh by the way, your Mercedes won't be ready to pick up for another week. LOL. I live in the Bay Area, CA and there are plenty of Sonatas and a lot of Santa Fe's on the road. I am seeing one or two Azeras as well. This car is very nice. I really enjoy driving it and the stereo system is great too. People do react differently to Hyundai as opposed to Honda or Toyota, but that is changing quickly. By the way, mention polygamy around here and you get sneers also. :shades:
Here is the Mobis US website - http://www.mobisusa.com/ Unfortunately dealers only at this time. I would contact your local dealer regarding availablity of dealer-installed NAVs.
I spoke with the Hyundai Corp. rep about the paint issue on my car. While talking to him, he enlightened me on a few things about the Azera. He said that they come from the factory with Shell Oil's synthetic oil (5w-20) and that the first oil change isn't needed till about 5000 miles. He also told me about the air cabin filter (located behind the glove box) that needs to be changed every 30,000 miles or so. He also talked about the Air Quality function on the car. You know...the button on the dash that has an "A" with a circle of arrows around it? There are sensors located up front ahead of the radiator that sniff out C02 and methane and a few other things. When those gases are detected, the outside air vents close to block off those gases. The air vents open automatically when the sensors no longer detect those gases. Comes in really handy when sitting in traffic downtown where a lot of buses roll.
First they want me to try the clay bar (which I'll be reimbursed for) to see if it's something at the top of the finish. If not, then he said that I can take the car up to the service department and they are authorized to send it to a body shop. They'll wet sand it down, reshoot the trunk lid, hit it with the clear coat and I'll be good to go.
The quality of this car amazes me more every day I read Azera posts. There are a lot of things the car salesmen fail to mention that are very good selling points. With Sachs shocks and struts, Eibach springs for example. I took mine out for a 329 mile trip the other day. After the breakin period, so I could see how fast it moves. Took it up to 110mph and blew away an Accord. My average mpg isn't too high at that speed but I came back down to 70mph shortly. I calculated the miles driven with the amount of fuel it took to fill it back up to the second click off at the pump. My dash display said I was averaging 24.1mpg for the trip. My fuel calculations said I got 23.8mpg. I've never had gauges work that accurate, especially when I was doing mixed city/highway driving. Interesting to hear the Hyundai Rep said they come with Shell synthetic and the owners manual recommends Quaker State 5W30 or 10W30.
I have to admit, I wanted to see what mine would do too. Took on a newer model Acura TL. The guy couldn't catch me until I let up off the gas as we neared a light that was red. When it changed to green, I didn't jump back on the gas and he shot past me. As soon as he got past me, he hit his breaks, rolled his window down (at which point I did as well) and he nodded his head and said, "I'm impressed!" My reply was, "Me too!!!"
I wasn't aware of Sachs struts and Eibach springs...wow!
Dunno maybe at the time of the printing of the manual, Quaker State was going to be used. He clearly said Shell synthetic and he recommended the 5W20 because the thinner oil is needed to get in between the tighter tolerances (his words exactly) between engine parts and such. I guess tighter tolerances means the engine parts fit together much better now and gaps are not as wide.
Personally, I just did my first oil change and went with the Castrol Syntec Blend (10W30), however...on my next change...I'll switch to the full synthetic and go with the 5W30.
I've tried to find a cheaper aftermarket oil filter other than Hyundai's $13 filter kit. WIX has a part number for one on their website, but they say it is unavailable still. I also ordered a Fumoto oil drain valve to replace the existing oil drain plug. This will greatly improve changing my own oil w/o making a mess, getting oil on my hands and cleanup. Makes synthetic oil changes more affordable if I do them myself too.
When I venture into our great Nation's capital on a daily basis, I turn the air quality function on. Usually on the highway...I don't.
Maybe I'm an idiot, but I never knew Shell had an oil, much less a synthetic. I have heard very good things about Mobil 1 Synthetic and I used the Castrol Syntech blend in my '02 Sonata. Just over 105K miles in 4 years and the engine purred like the day I first got it. Thus, that's why I put it in my Azera. However...I'll pony up the extra bucks and go with the full synthetic, especially if it means less trips under the car to drain it!
I had a chance to run with an 05-06 Benz E320 last night, but I passed...it was my wedding anniversary and I had the wife and child with me too.
I'm really curious to see how it would stand up against a Maxima, Avalon or the new Camry.
My only complaint with the car once I hit 130 mph was how floaty it got on the wheels. I'm sure once I switch to the 18" wheels on 245/45-18 tires I have picked out(http://www.sounddomain.com/ride/150402)...it'll act a whole lot better at higher speeds!
I vote for the double spokes. Classic, understated elegance. The others shout "look at me!" I can't remember where saw a set with 7, maybe 8 sets of double spokes and they looked HOT.
Nice lookin' shoes - the bottom ones, of course! :shades:
I looked at your message/page about swapping out the door speakers for the Infinity Kappa speakers. Are the OEM ones already 2-ohm speakers? If not, you will unbalance the output to the rest of them even if you put more power under them (the 600-watt amp)... :sick:
Yes...I contacted Infinity's OEM dept. and they gave me the skinny on the whole system. The tech there was the one that actually recommended the Kappas to keep everything the same as far as power output from the amp.
I may opt to change the tweeters down the road, but by putting coaxials in the doors, it'll open up my soundstage a little more.
I really can't wait to add the amp and sub set up I have in mind to reach the lower range the factory sub can't.
Great! Just as a gotcha, have you looked at the 63.7i speakers? They would only run you an extra $100 for two pairs if you buy them from somebody like Techtronics.com - the EMIT tweeters are far better for a car environment!
I have a pair in my wife's Infiniti and they are spectacular - must better stereo separation and less muddy than the previous model without them that she had in her older (I30) one...
Yes, I did see the 63.7i's, but you really don't hear much of a difference between a 2-way and a 3-way speaker. Especially the likes of Infinity speakers. The 62.7i's will suit my purposes just nicely and I can get them for $90/pair at hookedontronics.com.
I can only imagine how much better they sound than the Reference line. I installed a set of Infinity References in a buddy's Navigator a couple years ago and it sounded terrific!
Well, only said that because you said you weren't messing with the tweeters, now. Those three-way Kappa w/EMIT tweeters have CMMD dome mids and you wouldn't need to mess with the little tweeters at all: those things will blow anything I've ever heard away. I'm a real music purist, used to be a professional singer - so I can hear the difference, but - if you're happy with the 62.7i then go for it! Around $88/90 is the best price you're going to find anywhere... I think they are $88 at the place I mentioned (I won't mention it again, just in case the original post gets whacked because we talked specific vendors).
OK - one more thing: just to save you $$$ if you don't realize it - amp wattage ratings are on a logorithmic scale not linear. In other words, 600 watts is only about 20-25% louder than the stock amp, not double as you might expect.
"Interesting to hear the Hyundai Rep said they come with Shell synthetic and the owners manual recommends Quaker State 5W30 or 10W30."
Actually, there's no conflict here. "SOPUS" (Shell Oil Petroleum, U.S.) has owned both the Pennzoil and Quaker State names for over three years. I'll take the "Hyundai Rep"'s claim that these engines are filled with synthetic oil at the factory under advisement, but if true, SOPUS has recently begun distribution of a new synthetic base stock designated as "EOP". It's the first generation of the long awaited direct gas-to-liquid synthetic base oils made from natural gas (ethane - 'bout damn time this gas can be put to real use rather than flaring it off the well-head and refinery vents) to go into full commercial production. This base stock is a true polymer and reputed to be at least the performance equal of the PAO base stocks ExxonMobil has used since the inception of its highly regarded Mobil 1 synthetic motor oils, but much cheaper to produce. In the retail aftermarket, the latest Pennzoil Platinum synthetic motor oils are known to use these EOP base stocks - and they're putting out excellent used oil analysis reports. Whether the other SOPUS brands, Formula Shell and Quaker State full synthetics, use EOP or severely hydrotreated "Group III" paraffinic base stocks as their synthetic component hasn't been publically revealed to my knowledge.
Well...the only problem with putting those 3 ways in is that they are located low and most of the mids and highs would be lost in your leg. So...the 2 way will be fine and at some point...I'm sure I'll be replacing the factory tweeter with something more efficient and with better range.
The stock amp isn't kicking out close to that wattage. The overall system is like 315 watts. The 600 watts I'm using is for the sub I'm installing in the trunk. Trust me...it'll be much more than 20-25% louder than the stock amp. Plus, it's going to be pushing lower frequencies only.
However...I'm not messing with the stock amp only the main speakers...the factory system has a solid foundation, I'm just re-tooling the end result and adding some punch to it.
Ah, gotcha! You're probably right - those speakers are located pretty far down below the level where the EMIT would really shine because they're not anywhere near "ear level". Good choice then: the Infinity Kappa speaker lines have always been my favorite for cars. I take the stock units out and put in the equivalent size Kappa brand every time.
I think my first were 6x9" rear-deck mounted in my '79 BMW 530i... Of course, Kappa nor EMIT tech was available then.
My wife's Infiniti I35 (car, not speaker) has the 62.5i model in the front doors, and I had to pick an Xplod (Sony) model for the back doors because there was no correct size-match (5.25") for the rear doors at the time. Last I looked, I think there is a Kappa 5.25" model, now - but - she's had the car almost 5 years - best to just leave it alone. They sound sweet! :shades:
600 watts pushing that bass kicker should be sufficient!
I'm still searching for a dash wood trim kit for my Azera. My car has the dark wood trim. So far, samples that I have received, do not match the existing trim. Has anyone had better luck? If so, from whom and at what price?
For me, I'd go with the 12 spoke wheel, top picture, they don't over power the vehicle but add to the character, for me that's 'SMOOTH'. :shades: The bottom set has you looking at the wheels more than the vehicle. I want them looking at both with 'interest' to the point of walking over to look closer. :shades:
The Beltway, spent many hours on that bad boy when you could drive 70 mph plus and I-70 was know as 70-S. Lived in College Park and Hyattsville.
Healey is a pretty tough customer when it comes to reviews and I must say that his review of the Azera was in the top 10% of his reviews. He really only found a few quibbles, but headlined "AZERA, A Premium car at lower price....from styling to performance.....it delivers."
Can't get much better. Also, both reviews and actual performance will definitely help the resale value down the road. Can't wait for Consumer Reports to come up with a full review!!
1600 miles and counting....no blips yet.
Mine is Venetian Blue with Beige Interior (would rather have had grey with that exterior, but it works ok....only quibble is sun glare/reflection into the windshield from lower part of the very light colored dash)
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I thought that the spirit of this forum is to help each other
Do your homework, follow the leads that are given here and make your own decisions. At the end of the day is your money and you have your own priorities.
I feel that I did my homework, and when I found the absolute best deal that I could find I drove 160 miles (each way) to get my car to save up to more than $4K :shades: .
Best Regards
Edgar
Hey, a couple of pictures to share from the day we picked this beautiful Azera up. We got a real nice deal, we're happy, that's what counts and we only had to drive 70 miles one way to save more than $2.5K.
It's fun to fold the mirrors in when we park in a lot or in the garage. We love the power when you need it, the comfort of the ride. We did look at the 'others' but that was it.
This vehicle is, The Wonderful One, and that's SMOOTH, real SMOOTH :shades:
Congrats
Thanks!
Trip over, 100 miles give or take one or two miles averaged 28.4 mpg, some city driving then back to Daytona, total trip average 25.7.
In transit we played some Jim Morrison, Joe Cocker, Little Feat and more. Cranked it up to 15 for 'Light My Fire' :shades: , crystal clear and superb :shades: . Has anyone cranked it higher, if so, how high and how high will it go??? :confuse:
However, if you really wanna hear how well the system plays...play a CD of a live performance.
I don't use the preset EQ settings. I've got the bass set on 10, the mids set on 5, and the treble set on 10 as well. I've also got the music faded towards the front (+2) for forward sound staging.
The system plays VERY nicely even with the windows down and at highway speeds...you still hear every note and feel every beat!
We aren't big on the EQ but it does bring some songs out of the cocoon, so to speak. We have our bass, mids, treb settings similar but faded the sound -2, 3 to the rear to centralize the sound, approximately where the front seat backs are in relation to the space.
Don't know if you listen to the Doobie Bros or not, if you do give 'Ole Black Water' a spin with the 10-5-10+2 with your choice of volume level and of course don't forget 'Queen', Rap in Blue, wish Pat had an icon for shiver/quiver, it would fit nicely here.
The preset EQ settings just don't bring any life to the music and the tonal controls are limited as well. That would be one of the few reasons I'm considering switching out the factory head unit to something that will give me more sound shaping control. Like this gem here, Kenwoods DPX-501:
http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2006/113/h113DPX501-f_mt.jpeg
Of course, it may take some slight tooling to get it to fit, but the pay off would be HUGE!!!
Can't say I'm a Doobie Bros. listener, but I'll definitely pop in some Bob James, Tom Scott, Najee...etc. and get a musical treat there. Jazz is one of the best musical formats to listen to when seeing how well a system will perform across the whole sound spectrum. Please note, this is only my opinion.
http://www.carview.co.jp/road_impression/2006/grandeur/photo_imp/images/02_l.jpg-
anyway i saw 6 azeras on the road today in towson(north of baltimore)
i'm seeing it more and more.
Hit 1500 miles today. Great car so far! I'm leasing and I talked to HMFC and they told me online payments should be operational within a month or two -- which is the way I prefer paying.
People LOVE the looks of my car. I get comments all the time and people are VERY curious about it. I get asked what it is and who makes it. But when I tell them "Hyundai" you should see their reactions. It's just so funny.
Them: "That car it so nice. Who makes it?"
Me: "Hyundai,"
It's just so funny watching reactions. Hyundai has a long ways to go to build up their reputation here in Utah. Most people I talk to still view them as a very low grade cheap automaker.
I find it odd that I have yet to see another Azera besides my own. None. But I really like driving a "unique" car that few others have.
Just rambling here. Regards,
Here is the Mobis US website - http://www.mobisusa.com/
Unfortunately dealers only at this time. I would contact your local dealer regarding availablity of dealer-installed NAVs.
And below is the corporate website for Mobis:
http://www.mobis.co.kr/eng/
I've had my "steel gray" since early March. Living in the same area as you, I have not seen another Azera on the road though!!
I have to admit, I wanted to see what mine would do too. Took on a newer model Acura TL. The guy couldn't catch me until I let up off the gas as we neared a light that was red. When it changed to green, I didn't jump back on the gas and he shot past me. As soon as he got past me, he hit his breaks, rolled his window down (at which point I did as well) and he nodded his head and said, "I'm impressed!" My reply was, "Me too!!!"
I wasn't aware of Sachs struts and Eibach springs...wow!
Dunno maybe at the time of the printing of the manual, Quaker State was going to be used. He clearly said Shell synthetic and he recommended the 5W20 because the thinner oil is needed to get in between the tighter tolerances (his words exactly) between engine parts and such. I guess tighter tolerances means the engine parts fit together much better now and gaps are not as wide.
Personally, I just did my first oil change and went with the Castrol Syntec Blend (10W30), however...on my next change...I'll switch to the full synthetic and go with the 5W30.
I also ordered a Fumoto oil drain valve to replace the existing oil drain plug. This will greatly improve changing my own oil w/o making a mess, getting oil on my hands and cleanup. Makes synthetic oil changes more affordable if I do them myself too.
You bring some good things to the party, thanks.
The A with the circle, leave it on all the time and it works really well.
Shell syn 5W-20, how interesting, made a note. I was thinking about Mobil 1???
Had a little giddey-up-go last week with the Buick or should I say puick cause it didn't come close.
When I venture into our great Nation's capital on a daily basis, I turn the air quality function on. Usually on the highway...I don't.
Maybe I'm an idiot, but I never knew Shell had an oil, much less a synthetic. I have heard very good things about Mobil 1 Synthetic and I used the Castrol Syntech blend in my '02 Sonata. Just over 105K miles in 4 years and the engine purred like the day I first got it. Thus, that's why I put it in my Azera. However...I'll pony up the extra bucks and go with the full synthetic, especially if it means less trips under the car to drain it!
I had a chance to run with an 05-06 Benz E320 last night, but I passed...it was my wedding anniversary and I had the wife and child with me too.
I'm really curious to see how it would stand up against a Maxima, Avalon or the new Camry.
My only complaint with the car once I hit 130 mph was how floaty it got on the wheels. I'm sure once I switch to the 18" wheels on 245/45-18 tires I have picked out(http://www.sounddomain.com/ride/150402)...it'll act a whole lot better at higher speeds!
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I looked at your message/page about swapping out the door speakers for the Infinity Kappa speakers. Are the OEM ones already 2-ohm speakers? If not, you will unbalance the output to the rest of them even if you put more power under them (the 600-watt amp)... :sick:
USA Today Azera Review
I may opt to change the tweeters down the road, but by putting coaxials in the doors, it'll open up my soundstage a little more.
I really can't wait to add the amp and sub set up I have in mind to reach the lower range the factory sub can't.
I have a pair in my wife's Infiniti and they are spectacular - must better stereo separation and less muddy than the previous model without them that she had in her older (I30) one...
I can only imagine how much better they sound than the Reference line. I installed a set of Infinity References in a buddy's Navigator a couple years ago and it sounded terrific!
OK - one more thing: just to save you $$$ if you don't realize it - amp wattage ratings are on a logorithmic scale not linear. In other words, 600 watts is only about 20-25% louder than the stock amp, not double as you might expect.
Actually, there's no conflict here. "SOPUS" (Shell Oil Petroleum, U.S.) has owned both the Pennzoil and Quaker State names for over three years. I'll take the "Hyundai Rep"'s claim that these engines are filled with synthetic oil at the factory under advisement, but if true, SOPUS has recently begun distribution of a new synthetic base stock designated as "EOP". It's the first generation of the long awaited direct gas-to-liquid synthetic base oils made from natural gas (ethane - 'bout damn time this gas can be put to real use rather than flaring it off the well-head and refinery vents) to go into full commercial production. This base stock is a true polymer and reputed to be at least the performance equal of the PAO base stocks ExxonMobil has used since the inception of its highly regarded Mobil 1 synthetic motor oils, but much cheaper to produce. In the retail aftermarket, the latest Pennzoil Platinum synthetic motor oils are known to use these EOP base stocks - and they're putting out excellent used oil analysis reports. Whether the other SOPUS brands, Formula Shell and Quaker State full synthetics, use EOP or severely hydrotreated "Group III" paraffinic base stocks as their synthetic component hasn't been publically revealed to my knowledge.
The stock amp isn't kicking out close to that wattage. The overall system is like 315 watts. The 600 watts I'm using is for the sub I'm installing in the trunk. Trust me...it'll be much more than 20-25% louder than the stock amp. Plus, it's going to be pushing lower frequencies only.
However...I'm not messing with the stock amp only the main speakers...the factory system has a solid foundation, I'm just re-tooling the end result and adding some punch to it.
I think my first were 6x9" rear-deck mounted in my '79 BMW 530i... Of course, Kappa nor EMIT tech was available then.
My wife's Infiniti I35 (car, not speaker) has the 62.5i model in the front doors, and I had to pick an Xplod (Sony) model for the back doors because there was no correct size-match (5.25") for the rear doors at the time. Last I looked, I think there is a Kappa 5.25" model, now - but - she's had the car almost 5 years - best to just leave it alone. They sound sweet! :shades:
600 watts pushing that bass kicker should be sufficient!
My car has the dark wood trim.
So far, samples that I have received, do not match the existing trim.
Has anyone had better luck?
If so, from whom and at what price?
The bottom set has you looking at the wheels more than the vehicle.
I want them looking at both with 'interest' to the point of walking over to look closer. :shades:
The Beltway, spent many hours on that bad boy when you could drive 70 mph plus and I-70 was know as 70-S. Lived in College Park and Hyattsville.
Can't get much better. Also, both reviews and actual performance will definitely help the resale value down the road. Can't wait for Consumer Reports to come up with a full review!!
1600 miles and counting....no blips yet.
Mine is Venetian Blue with Beige Interior (would rather have had grey with that exterior, but it works ok....only quibble is sun glare/reflection into the windshield from lower part of the very light colored dash)