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Hyundai Azera 2006

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  • ushuaiaushuaia Posts: 10
    hello Jim ... thanks for the feedback, i have now all the information i want, anyway, i'm not expecting a BMW or an AUDI for 28,000 but i'm more and more convinced that the Azera is not meant to be a mass-production car ... in other words, Hyundai has put some good investment in it. i know the resell value will be low and that Hyundai will fix the few bugs in 2007 model but i need a car now and i don't care a lot about the resell value as the car is not that much expensive (i.e. i think the extra loss when selling it after 3 years is similar to the extra money i should pay now to get an Avalon/Accord/Charger with similar if not less quality and options !!!) ... what do you think?
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    What price do you expect? I am thinking around $2,500 to $3000 off on the Azera. They offer $2,000 off on Sonata V6, before negotiations.
    -Loren
  • jim101jim101 Posts: 252
    I think you have satisfied the questions in you mind???

    For what it's worth, received the questionnaire from JD Powers yesterday. Filled out the basic information, answered a few questions, but when it came to the biggest part of the questionnaire The section on problems, defects, code defects for all sections, engine, trany, interior, fit finish, sound system, knob, buttons, wheels, tires and more I could not find 'ONE' item to list, 'ONE' oval to fill in or even file a gripe. :shades: Up to that moment we had not realized how well this Azera measures up to quality' and 'reliability'.

    I can tell you for a fact that not one of the many new 'Big 3' vehicles :lemon: we have bought through the years would fair the same, not one and they became worse as they aged.

    In conclusion, we are very, very satisfied with our Korean built vehicle, very satisfied indeed. ;)
  • mechanic80mechanic80 Posts: 122
    Same here. I had nothing to fill in about defects on the survey I received. I felt so guilty that I was gonna send the dollar back but I changed my mind.
  • king123king123 Posts: 14
    I cannot wait to get the survey. I have had my Azera limited with ultimate for about ten days and cannot find anything wrong. Always things that could be improved/added, but I am very satisfied. What I like best are the other drivers on Chicago streets and expressways trying to figure out what I am driving. I have only seen one other Azera. In my fifties its kind of cool being unique. My dealer wants me to bring the survey to the dealership to complete it with my salesperson (unless its a different survey), but anyway, I get 10 gallons of free gas if I do. So, the dealership is very concerned that I am happy and that they and the car get high marks. This bodes well for the future.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 15,250
    My dealer wants me to bring the survey to the dealership to complete it with my salesperson (unless its a different survey), but anyway, I get 10 gallons of free gas if I do.

    That would be Hyundais own survey that they use to rate the dealerships. You are suppose to fill them out yourself and not with the sales person. The dealership is paying you off with the 10 free gallons of gas to assure they get full marks (by basically them filling out the survey for them). As far as I am concerned that is unethical behavior on the part of the dealer.

    2008 Sebring Ragtop, 2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • king123king123 Posts: 14
    That's exactly what I thought. But for me it is academic because I would give the dealership very high marks without the bribe. They found my car for me Black/beige in just a couple of days and honored the price eventhough it came from else where. So, I will probably go for the gas. Besides, I'm a lawyer, what can I say....
  • areza1areza1 Posts: 14
    Is there any special technique to remove the "Hyundai" and "Limited" emblems from the back of the car, or do they simply lift off ? Is a hair-dryer necessary?

    I heard there may eventually be some replacement emblems available for the "H in the circle". Any news on those?

    I'm really interested in the H-less grill, but it doesn't sound like it's the simplest of projects :P
  • plwilliamsplwilliams Posts: 96
    I was able to remove the "Hyundai" badge using dental floss. The car is new enough that the adhesive is still soft, so I didn't use any heat at all. Just get the floss behind each piece and gently 'saw' back and forth, You'll be amazed at how easy it comes off. I didn't even need to use a cleaner or wax afterwards.
  • jim101jim101 Posts: 252
    azera1, lets see if I can help.

    'Hyundai and Limited' on the trunk are in place with a double sided type tape/adhesive. To remove, DO NOT use any metal tools. My finger nail, sometimes two, was strong enough to lift the letter off. I placed them on another piece of metal to save. I then used a little mineral spirits to remove any remaining residue. Hair dryer not required, least ways I didn't need it.

    There are some after market emblems to replace the current 'H' oval on the trunk. www.dreamka4u.com has one or two. I've ordered one and will tape, paint and clear to match body color leaving the chrome outer ring. Taking the two round spring clips off the emblem on the trunk will be tricky. Lack of space to work and you have to remove the trunk liner which is fairly easy, don't forget the philips screw in the hand/finger indent.

    Dreamka4u also has the 'H' less grill. In a previous post I covered the removal and installation step by step. It is a little tricky, read over and decide if you wish to or wish not to do it.

    Dreamka4u manufactures and supplies components to Hyundai. They do not provide any instructions, you have to figure out how to do it or pay a body shop to do it.

    There are pictures of an Azera at carspace.com you can look at.

    Good day
  • areza1areza1 Posts: 14
    thanks for the tips guys

    jim101,

    i've read your step-by-step for the grill replacement, that's how i know it's not the simplest of projects :P

    and what do you mean by:

    "Taking the two round spring clips off the emblem on the trunk will be tricky. Lack of space to work and you have to remove the trunk liner which is fairly easy, don't forget the philips screw in the hand/finger indent"

    is it tricky to remove the emblem from the car because of the clips, or is it tricky to remove the clips from the emblem itself? are the clips part of the emblem or the trunk? :confuse:
  • plwilliamsplwilliams Posts: 96
    I would also like to change out the grill, as the $100-110 price tag is very reasonable, but jim101's replacement story was enough to scare me off for the time being. I wonder what the dealer would charge to do it :confuse: :confuse: Anyone have any idea?
  • sundevilssundevils Posts: 100
    I was quite happy to see in the owner's manual that the recommended service interval under normal conditions is 7,500 miles. But then I looked at the service booklet and it has 3,750 miles. Looking more closely at the service booklet shows the oil/filter R (for replace) in red, which the footnote indicates means to replace every 5,000 miles.

    Which is right?

    My bias - for every car I have owned (I have only lived in Phoenix, Tucson, and San Diego) I have always changed the oil every 7,500 miles. Mechanics have frequently praised me for taking good care of my vehicles. I just don't see any value in a more frequent change.

    By the way, when buying my car I asked about EZ-out, limp home, and auto-lock. The sales people were completely clueless. When my sales-person discussed this with service the service people were completely clueless. As we speak my car has been at the dealer since 7:30 this morning (it is now 4:45 in the afternoon) getting an exterior detail (the detail shop was closed when I took delivery on a Sunday) and getting the ez-out, limp home, and auti-lock programmed. When I called the dealer at 3:00 I was told the detailing was done and the mechanic had the hood up and was programming the features. That was nearly two hours ago. Wanna bet they don't have a clue as to what they are doing?

    One more thing - I learned today that my dealer charges $30+ for the oil change, $60+ for the 7,500 service, $200 for the 15K service, and $500 for the $30K service. Sounds like typical dealer rip-off to me.
  • jim101jim101 Posts: 252
    Hmmmm, let me start over.

    The trunk emblem, fits onto the trunk lid via two alignment pins on the back part of the 'H', not the oval. The pins are secured by two snap on star clips that you can access through the trunk.
    These clips are like the star clips that hold the wheels on a Webber or similar.

    Removing the trunk liner is easy, there are several philip plastic press center clips. Unscrew, pull plastic center out then remove the other plastic piece the center was in. There is one philips screw in the hand/finger indent that has to be removed. When done the liner comes out easy, to replace, reverse steps.

    When you get the liner out and stick your head in to look. There is a small bent piece that covers the opening to the emblem. You can use a flashlight and see the clips.

    I'm almost to the resolve that I may have to break the pins off being careful not to scratch the paint or expose bare metal. Before I do anything I will look at the new part, 'STUDIE' is on it as received, and determine how it is secured before I disassemble the stock piece.
    Some paint and clear coat on the new part should make it 'Smooth'.

    Maybe the 'mechanic' can give us some help???
  • My dealer said there was no problem using "Mobile 1 Extended" and go 15,000 between oil changes. I brought in my own oil or should I say lubricant because it is not oil, and they did the service for free. The manufactures oil is of high quality and it is probably breaking in at 3,500 miles. They did say if you are driving short miles or real hard that you should change it at 5,000 mile.
  • areza1areza1 Posts: 14
    i look forward to hearing about your experience installing the "STUDIE" emblem

    i'll probably go for the "IXION" emblem if your install goes smoothly

    i assume you ordered the Large (9.3x4.8) vs. the Medium (8x4) emblem size?
  • averigejoeaverigejoe Posts: 559
    Both cars are good values compared to their closest competitors. Spend some time in both before deciding.
    The Sonata is a nice family sedan. The Azera is a luxury car and has equipment not even available on the Sonata. Also, the styling, feel and ride of the two cars are different, way different.
    If you can appreciate those differences, you'll probably think the Azera is a steal for the extra money. It is a class or two above the Sonata. Buy and drive the Azera, you'll have a smile on your face that the Sonata would not provide
    If you can't tell the difference, don't waste your money on the Azera, get the Sonata.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Did take note of a better crash test score for the Sonata than the Azera. As always style is subjective. Interior looks richer in the Azera. Are the interior parts tested to last longer than the lesser priced line-up? I know a Lexus interior seems to last forever. The extra HP of the Azera would be nice.

    Don't need a navigation system. Never get lost anyway. I just take interesting alternate routes as impressive journeys - colorful adventures to interesting places never seen. OK, sometime seen when I was driving in circles one time. AAA has maps. My home computer has maps. Money saved without a navigation system install can be spent on gas. Actually, the way things are going, people may have to take out a loan to pay for gas :D
    -Loren
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    I'd like to see an Sonata coupe, with tighter suspension for $20K and that V6 engine. Hummm, let me think. The Azera lines may work well as a coupe, with a little work-over. At say $25K it would be at or under the Accord coupe. There is much to like about the Tiburon, but I am thinking the extra room and HP of a Sonata or Azera Coupe. Will see what the new sports car with RWD is priced at. And I am keeping an eye on just how tall them doors get. The ever rising door window sill, and shrinking window syndrome.
    -Loren
  • jnd17jnd17 Posts: 62
    plwilliams, did you remove the lettering AZERA on the tail lights? If you did was it the same process using the dental floss and are there any marks showing? Thank you for you past comments and instructions they have been very helpful. I plan to do the same as soon as my AZERA arrives. JoeD
  • shawalshawal Posts: 38
    Today the temperature soared upto 47C and even with the Black and Black the AirCon was happy to give me 22C in the cabin when city driving.
  • plwilliamsplwilliams Posts: 96
    JoeD, no I didn't remove the AZERA, though I have to admit that I did give it a little thought :D . I would think that the letters are attached with the same 3M type adhesive, and if so I don't think that you would have to worry about scratching or leaving any marks behind. Of course, if they are attached differently all bets are off.
    Be sure to post your experience and some photos when you do it.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 15,250
    I don't disagree with that, I pretty much said the same thing. My comments were addressed to ushuaia who said that the Azera beats the Sonata in many areas. My comment was that while it does it is at a price of several thousands of dollars. And that its up to the individual to determine if the extras that the Azera offers are worth the 3 or 5 or 10 grand more.

    2008 Sebring Ragtop, 2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    To the best of my knowledge, Sonata variants (coupe and convertible) are still in the plans. Last I heard 2008 might be a possiblity :)
  • bryan200kbryan200k Posts: 64
    You said, "One more thing - I learned today that my dealer charges $30+ for the oil change, $60+ for the 7,500 service, $200 for the 15K service, and $500 for the $30K service. Sounds like typical dealer rip-off to me.
    "

    Wow... that makes me wonder what they are servicing that would cost that much!

    Our local Hyundai dealership was recently bought out by another autogroup/owner. They have went from selling an average of 7 units per month, to over 30 in their first month. They are also offering, as they do at their other dealerships, a "Dealer for Life" program in which, for as long as you own your car that you bought from them. You get FREE oil changes, FREE washes, FREE tire rotation and their own lifetime engine/powertrain warranty.

    A friend that had worked at their Toyota dealership and then at a Hyundai dealership in another state is now working there as a salesman. I asked him if this new owner is 'for real' in making these offers. He said that they have been doing this at their Toyota dealership, for years, where he used-to work.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Hey, are you not proud of Hyundai and Azera? Taking off the emblems and nameplates is no way to advertise. I know it looks smoother and you don't care to advertise. Would be a good thought though to promote little ol' Hyundai. So many are out to bad mouth the cars due to thier rocky start here in the States, it would be good PR to proudly display the make and maker. Just a thought :)
    -Loren
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,933
    C/D tested the Azera SE in their July issue and says it is the fastest Korean car they've ever driven: 141 mph top speed and 0-60 in 6.1 seconds (0.1 seconds slower than the Avalon they tested). But it is as quick as the 325i they tested.

    They also noted they got 15 mpg on combined city/highway driving over 400 miles. I expect they were not being easy on the gas pedal.

    Other plusses include being quieter at 70 mph than an Avalon or Cadillac STS, comfy back seat, big trunk. They were not impressed by the handling but said it was in the ballpark with Avalon, Buick, or Lexus ES350. They also griped about the gauges and the "not-quite-terry-cloth-but-defintely-not-Alcantra" fabric.
  • jnd17jnd17 Posts: 62
    Hi Loren, I am very proud of the Azera and talk it up with all my friends and people who ask about it. I am just not one who enjoys "Advertising Badges" on my cars. I have done this to my previous cars. Between dealer logos and make and model badges they should pay us for advertising. I know it sounds foolish but it has always been a pet peeve of mine. If the car is sharp enough and has a distinguished look to it you will know what it is. There are several models of cars that just by looking at them you know what make it is. One of the problems today is that so many cars are looking so alike that you can't tell them apart without looking at the badges. I think the Azera is not one of them and once people start seeing them on the road will recognize the make without having to read the badges. Sorry for the long rant. JoeD
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    I bet they think your car is a Japan make. They do pay you to advertise. At least the Sonata seems like a giveaway price compared to an Accord. Yeah, some have the badge thing all over the place. A local dealer puts a sticker with their name on there. Will ask them what the discount or pay per year is. Maybe 15% off on oil changes or something. Here is a strange one. A friend got a Mustang with silver stripes. Problem is the color. It is on a white car. Ummm, I am thinking the stripes could have been blue. Silver is strange.

    I bet Honda is not happy about the H on the back.
    -Loren
  • ray_h1ray_h1 Posts: 1,134
    "The dealership is paying you off with the 10 free gallons of gas to assure they get full marks (by basically them filling out the survey for them). As far as I am concerned that is unethical behavior on the part of the dealer."

    You're absolutely right about that and shame on that dealer for offering ten gallons of gas! (When I bought my '03 Sonata, my dealer "paid" me off with a full tank of gas to lie like a rug...) On a more serious note, I can understand the dealers' angst at having a perfect score recorded - Hyundai's U.S. big shots consider anything less than a perfect score to be outright failure. Resident neurosurgeons aren't even held to that standard of accountability. Far be it for me to take up the dealerships' cause, but why should the dealerships unfairly take ALL the heat for failing to catch every miniscule factory QC defect? In Hyundai's dealer relations it comes down to, "Heads we win, tails you lose."
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