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http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2511b.shtml
How about that warranty? Is this the truth?
http://www.hyundaiazera.com/warranty.aspx
The Azera is not mentioned but they list the Avalon as the best in class for "luxury sedans". In this class were the Acura TL, Chrysler 300C and the Cadillac DTS.
Curiously, the Ford 500 was in the "family class" with the Acord, Camry and Sonata.
So hopefully when the Azera debuts it should comfortably take its place at the head of this luxury (read mid-luxury) class. On a another note, the Azera Vs ??? thread was shaping up to be lively but it was not meant to be.
Under $30,000 MSRP for a Limited. Just try to find another car over 105 cu. ft. passenger space with all this standard safety equipment and horsepower and luxury equipment. There is none.
All this talk about classes of cars is nonsense. Every car magazine and consumer magazine and research company has its own idea of which cars belong in which class. None of them agree.
The only way to be definite is to use some objective way to group them, like sedans over $30,000 MSRP, or maybe sedans with passenger volumes over 102 cubic feet, or curb weight of 3900 lbs or more, or wheelbase of over 108" or some other definite criterium.
If you are going to talk about class anymore, how about defining the term in some way other than a purely subjective opinion.
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If and when Hyundai wants to sell them they can make it happen.
~alpha
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I learned about the supposed existence of the "add discussion" link by reading the homepage of this site. But I still cannot find the link to add a discussion. Can you tell me where it is?
Opening that can again?
But seriously folks, if the car you want is an up to date, large (over 102 cubic feet for passengers), powerful, good handling, luxurious, attractive, quiet, smooth riding car with a great warranty and more standard equipment and standard safety features than any of its competitors, all for less than $28,000, there is one clear choice.
Wanna guess which one I'm thinking about?
Hey, I just noticed a new discussion has opened up on the Azera compared to a couple other cars.
I also own an Avalon and the superiority of Toyota's fit and finish is not what it used to be. The Avalon is a great car but it could be better and the competition has made the gap smaller. The price of a car ( or anything else) is not a good yardstick for measuring quality, fit and finish or perfection. I hope Hyundai has a winner!
I have dreamed that someone would offer a third party nav/radio/camera/dvd/sirius/other in their new cars. The Eclipse system looks very interesting. I had a simular unit with Tv, DVD, sirius, weather radio, backup camera, cd etc in a Volvo which I still miss! Hope they go that way. When you consider what you pay for premium radio, DVD, Sirius, camera and Nav, >$6,000.00, the Eclipse unit will be a bargin.
I think the best comparo would be true full size flagships with engines closest in power and trims closest in price:
Azera (top line model, optioned out)
Avalon Touring (check every box on options list and its at $32.4K)
300 Touring well optioned
Lucerne CXL V8 ($33K w/ a few options)
Impala SS ($31K)
Five Hundred/Montego (does it matter which one, they are barely different)($28K)
But, given C/Ds history of not pitting less than the top two finishers of a previous comparison in a subsequent one, I think you won't see the Five Hundred/Montego, or perhaps even the 300 Touring/Limited, unless some substantial changes are made. A 300C would barely slide under the pricing, a $33K Hemi is very light on feature content.
Just IMO. I think any comparison would be an interesting one. I'd actually prefer just to see Azera vs. Avalon vs. Lucerne.
~alpha
You are right that I like the latest gadgets but based on the sale of computers, LCD TV's, digital cameras and cars with all kinds of gadgets I'm not alone. I haven't used a map in a long time but remember trying to read one while driving in the past (dumb). I absolutely "never" watched Tv ar DVD movies while driving and always had speaker phones in the past. The nav talks to you so it isn't necessary to look at it. By the way I've been driving for 50 years!
That depends. I think a lot of people that have never even considered a Hyundai before will be attracted to the Azera - and regardless of the price on any of the other Hyundais, they will buy an Azera if they do in fact choose to buy a Hyundai. I picture the average Azera buyer being at least in their very late 30s, and cross shopping the Azera to Buick and maybe the Avalon.
The Sonata will remain a consideration for buyers looking for a mid sized sedan to be used on a daily basis.
Regarding the XG-L - if it were to be priced at $19K, I think it might snag a few Sonata shoppers that only care about things such as getting leather and a sunroof for as cheaply as possible. However, anyone who cares about fit and finish, driveability, smoothness of the engine, and safety will go ahead and buy the Sonata LX (In my opinion).
But adding the necessary options to the LaCrosse to make it as close as possible to the Azera Limited's standard equipment adds $3090 to the LaCrosse MSRP. Grand total $32,185.
And even then the LaCrosse has no memory seats, no front side air bags, no rear side air bags, and no cassette player. The Lacrosse, at 99 cu. ft. passenger volume, is much smaller than Azera's 107. The Azera's 2000 lb. towing capacity is twice that of LaCrosse. And the Azera bumper to bumper warranty is 5 yrs/60,000 miles instead of LaCrosse's 4 yr/50K. The Azera has 10 yrs/100,000 miles on the powertrain.
The Azera Limited MSRP is apparently under $28,000 including shipping, maybe even under $27,000.
I'm noticing that the Lucerne CXL V6, $28,265, has a lot less horsepower 197 and more weight 3969 than the Limited Azera's 263 and 3572. So the Azera will likely feel much more lively when you hit the gas. Usually a lighter car will handle better too in cars of this type.
The $35,265 CXS Lucerne has a 275 HP V8, pretty close to the Azera. Equipment levels on the two are pretty close too. The CXL versions of the Buicks do not have as much equipment as the Azera Limited.
Price-wise, the CXL versions of the Lucerne V6 and LaCrosse are about $1650 more than the Azera's $27,000 estimated price. The LaCrosse makes 240 HP and weighs very close to the Azera. The CXS Lucerne is $8650 more than the Azera Limited.
I would have to agree. I spent quite a bit of time comparing the Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, and the new Hyundai Sonata as to fit and finish (at least what one's critical eye can see!), and the Sonata was every bit as good, and most often better, than either the Camry or Accord in body panel alignment, seam alignment, etc. I think Toyota has really slipped in this area. Someone at their Georgetown, KY plant should address this with management and the workforce.
The Buick Lucerne CXS V8, with options making it as close as possible to the Azera Limited, has a MSRP of $37,735 (or $38,235 with the super-duper paint job).
The Lucernes have 116" wheelbases vs. Azera's 107. Curbweights are 3969/4013 Lucerne, 3572 Azera. Towing: 1000 lbs. Lucernes, 2000 Azera. Unlike Azera, Lucernes have no rear side-impact airbags.
At the optioned prices above both Lucernes would have XM radio and Onstar. Neither is available in the Azera.
That's all I was asking. Just to get an idea about what Hyundai buyers might decide at those different total transaction price points.
Or, to put it another way, if one could choose only from those three cars, at what prices would the decision be a 3-way tie? (Surely a shoppper would buy an XG for $1.00, right?)
BetterSafe (than Sorry)
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2005 XG350 MSRP / Invoice:
4dr Sdn $24,899 $22,409 V6 18/26 MPG
4dr Sdn L $26,499 $23,849 V6 18/26 MPG
2005 Hyundai XG350
MSRP Invoice
National Base Price (excludes destination charge)
$24,899 $22,409
2005 Hyundai XG350 L
MSRP Invoice
National Base Price (excludes destination charge)
$26,499 $23,849
That quote is the dealer's "wish list" price. He really wishes someone will pay that much for one.
My 2005 Avalon is great but it lost it's trim on one side of the roof, one of the fog lights is loose, the drivers side window is sticking, one of the console doors is difficult to shut, the dealership acts like they don't have to do a good job (they replaced the Mobil 1 they put in the first time with regular oil and during a two hour wait never filled the coffee pots)and the car periodically seems to be affected by Gremlins ..... doors won't open, Nav system ignores entrys and the radio comes on at odd times? I've had three other new cars in the past 24 months, 350Z, Infiniti G35 and Infiniti FX45 with zero problems. The Nav's(3) and keyless starting(1) were perfect. None of them went back to the dealer for adjustments. I lived through the 50's - 80's when serious problems were the norm .... had to repaint a rusting 2 year old Buick in the 80's! I purchased an Elantra for my daughter and it has been trouble free for 9 months. The Azera could be my next car if a third party Nav system is available.