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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,833
    a Ferrari, from back when they had clean, classic, gorgeous styling!

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675
    stickguy said:

    a Ferrari, from back when they had clean, classic, gorgeous styling!

    Actually there's a story about the styling. When the Jaguar E-Type was first shown in 1960, Enzo Ferrari declared it the "most beautiful car" and challenged Battista Pinifarina to do better. The photograph shows what resulted when Pinifarina restyled the 250GT/SWB coupe.

    IMHO it's very close between the two but I'd give the Jag a slight edge.

    Anyone remember the model name of that particular Ferrari?

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,481
    stickguy said:

    a Ferrari, from back when they had clean, classic, gorgeous styling!

    If I was marking your test paper, I'd have to give you an "incomplete" on that one.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,655
    250GT Berlinetta Lusso. McQueen had one in an unusual color like that, IIRC.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675
    fintail said:

    250GT Berlinetta Lusso. McQueen had one in an unusual color like that, IIRC.

    Exactly, I remember the first one I ever saw. I was a passenger in a car heading back to college (ca.1963/4) on the Quickway thru the Catskills (NY-17) and a silver Lusso passed us. It wore Italian tourist plates and the driver was a short fellow wearing a Tyrolean hat.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675
    edited June 2021
    The 1970 Camaro Z28 was almost a direct copy of the Berlinetta Lusso>





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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,833
    that model and vintage Camaro is my absolute favorite old car. and I love that color. As long as it is a manual trans of course!

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint - about 1959 I think. Bertone did the coachwork and its a very nice car....
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675
    Close but no cigar, it's a 1964 Giulia Sprint and it's to die for.

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    Fair enough - can't tell my Giulias from my Guiliettas
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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 266,292
    magnette said:


    Given the lack of a grille, I'm gonna say this is rear-engined. Some offshoot of VW, or Auto-Union. Pre-Audi.

    Beyond that, no idea.

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    edited June 2021
    Not VW or Auto Union / Audi but it is rear engined
  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,677
    Skoda?

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,655
    You're on the right track - Tatra 613. I assume that's an early (mid 70s) car.
    sda said:

    Skoda?



  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    edited June 2021
    Yes its a Tatra 613 and the picture came from 1974
    Still rear engined with V8 3495 cc engine hanging out over the rear like the old 603 and the other streamlined models back to the thirties.

    I saw one of these 613s in London sometimes and it was registered here, before we had special Diplomatic plates, although may have been belonging to the then Czechoslovakian Embassy I suppose. It was black...
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    That is a Talbot Lago I believe but as for the actual model - no idea
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    Not quite so glamorous...

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,833
    looks like a Mitsubishi colt side profile. Renault badge on the nose?

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675
    edited June 2021
    magnette said:

    That is a Talbot Lago I believe but as for the actual model - no idea

    Yup, it's a 1950 Talbot-Lago T-26 from the brief era when the French made the sexiest cars in the world.

    I assume that the T at the end is silent and it's pronounced Tal-bow.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,655
    You're on the right track, it's a Proton, a Malaysian-built Mitsu-derived product. Registration dates to around 1991.
    stickguy said:

    looks like a Mitsubishi colt side profile. Renault badge on the nose?

  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    Yes, it's a Proton 1.3GLS -that one is a five door which I think was an Aeroback and it is circa 1991

  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    edited June 2021
    @andys120 - the French pronounce it Talbo as you say, but the Sunbeam Talbot (British) would have been TalboT
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    Here's another - this wasn't taken in Britain



  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,481
    Judging from the 5 letters on the grille badge that I cannot quite make out, I'd guess that is a Canadian pic of an Envoy Estate. Not an Envoy Epic, as that name was reserved for the Vauxhall Viva clone. Not sure if this model was just called Envoy of it it had a series designation like the virtually identical Vauxhall Victor.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675
    magnette said:

    @andys120 - the French pronounce it Talbo as you say, but the Sunbeam Talbot (British) would have been TalboT

    Tal-but or Tall-but for the British car?

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    Yes, it is the Envoy estate - but the model designation for the estate was apparently Sherwood (cue Robin Hood theme tune).
    There is a little chrome badge on the trim flash on the rear doors which says Sherwood.
    Here they never had any name for the estate at all.
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    I think Tal but rather than Tall but unless the speaker is very posh...
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 269,317
    magnette said:

    I think Tal but rather than Tall but unless the speaker is very posh...

    To-may-toe, To-mah-toe..

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    @kyfdx -
    lets call the whole thing off.
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    Renault 4CV also known as 750. Production started in late 40's.
    The initial grille was different from the subject car as that had several bars, whereas this three bar one was from about 1955 to end of production in about 1959 I think
    Apart from in France the 4CV was assembled in UK during the fifties and also in Japan from about 1952, where it becomes the basis for the Hino car, later developed into the Hino Contessa
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    James Bond plus 1241

  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675
    magnette said:

    James Bond plus 1241

    Iso Isetta


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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    edited June 2021
    Yes, it's an Isetta, but sold here as a BMW Isetta.
    You can see its a British market version partly because its RHD but also because its a three wheeler - one single rear wheel.
    The three wheeler was subject to different rules and was treated as a Motorcycle with sidecar legally so motorcyclists could drive one on a bike licence without having taken a car driving test.
    Also they paid less tax on a three wheeler.
    Generally Isettas abroad had two rear wheels close together for stability.

    The number plate is odd too.

    Essex was one of the first counties to run out of all the available codes in 1961 and the proposed new plates (which would have a year indicator letter on them) weren't yet released, so they gave Essex the previously unissued code OO in1961 and got through from OO 1- OO9999 in only a couple of months.
    All the numbers below 999 were issued to motor bikes and those above 999 went to any vehicles and they subsequently spent the rest of 1961 going from AOO 1 to YOO 999 etc

    This meant that a motor bike got OO7 as a regular number in 1961 - it was issued normally before the release of Dr No which made James Bond so popular although it must worth a fortune now.

    Essex also issued 1 F a year or so earlier too.
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    edited June 2021
    Not quite what it seems

  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    This one is different

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,655
    I can read the badges B) Alfa Romeo Dauphine/Ondine.
    magnette said:

    Not quite what it seems

  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    edited June 2021
    @fintail Yes the first one is the Alfa Romeo Renault Odine, although they did also build the straight Dauphine version too,I believe.

    But the other shot, the front view, isn't European
    In some ways you could say it's shocking
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    @andys120 That looks like an ATS - the mini Ferrari from the early 60's
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,481
    magnette said:

    @fintail Yes the first one is the Alfa Romeo Renault Odine, although they did also build the straight Dauphine version too,I believe.

    But the other shot, the front view, isn't European
    In some ways you could say it's shocking

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,237
    Yes, thats it -made in NY State with electric motor and a range of about 45 miles - they made less than 50 I think in 1959/60
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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,675
    edited June 2021
    magnette said:

    @andys120 That looks like an ATS - the mini Ferrari from the early 60's

    Yup, that's an ATS 2500GT (c.a. 1964) an early pioneer in mid-engine motoring. (ATS=Automobili Turismo e Sport).

    ATS was founded by dissidents in the wake of the "Palace Revolt" at Ferrari when some prominenti quit Ferrari to protest their treatment by Enzo Ferrari and his wife Laura.
    Carlo Chiti, Giochino Bizzarrini and American driver Phil Hill were among those who left to work at ATS.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,250

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 269,317
    tjc78 said:

    Plymouth Sapporo?

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