Mystery car pix

stever

Ha, figured I'd be told it was a '60. That may be my second one right this year.

Gotta love a pickup that moves out and has such a low liftover height. And I bet that color is "cream".

andys120

I wouldn't be surprised if '62 wasn't the first year for the Falcon Ranchero but IIRC the '60s were all sedans and wagons.

You might call that color Cafe au Lait but cream isn't that color where I live. :P

grahampeters

G'day

Possibly Sunbeam Rapier Fastback from late 1960s or early '70s. Nose and tail look disconnected and lines don't work from this angle which makes it look like it has fat hips.

Cheers

Graham

andys120

Sunbeam Rapier Fastback

Close, it's a '69 Sunbeam Alpine. We didn't get many of these in NA so I'm not sure if they were ever officially imported but it looks vaguely familiar so some made it here, or perhaps one of the badge-engineered variants (Hillman ?) the Rootes Group was (in)famous for.

magnette

This Alpine was a lower specification version of the similar Rapier in the UK. They were based on the Arrow Rootes group range (Hillman Hunter / Minx, Singer Vogue / Gazelle and Humber Sceptre too).
Here the most obvious external difference was that the Rapier had a vinyl panel on the side pillars, while the Alpine didn't although the biggest mechanical difference was that the Alpine had a single carb while the Rapier had two.
This car has the vinyl of the Rapier, but perhaps you had a different spec over there. The Rapier outsold the Alpine about 5 : 1, I think, and they don't survive in great numbers either.

magnette

andys120

Lloyd 400 ca. mid 1950s. I've always wondered why German-made cars were adorned with a Welsh name.

magnette

No. its not German (or Welsh)

bhill2

Just pulling a guess out of a dark part of my anatomy, is it a Moskovich (sp)?

magnette

No, it's not Russian

andys120

fintail

Looks like 50s-60s style Japanese plate, not a Datsun, I will say early Toyota.

fintail

An Iranian Paykan, in production for eons.

magnette

Yes Fintail - right on the money - its actually 50's and early enough to be a Toypet.
Any idea on the model - I must admit I had never heard of it....

andys120

An Iranian Paykan, in production for eons.

Correct, the Paykan was a copy of the 1970s Hillman Hunter/Singer Gazelle which was made in Tehran by Iran Khodro(IKCO). The Paykan was produced until 2005.

Collectively the Rootes Arrow Series cars were perhaps the greatest triumph of the badge-engineering philosophy of the Rootes Group. It was sold in markets all over the world under different names including Chrysler and Dodge (Chrysler Europe owned the Rootes Group 1967-79).

andys120

Yes Fintail - right on the money - its actually 50's and early enough to be a Toypet.
Any idea on the model - I must admit I had never heard of it....

I just did an extensive search on Toyopet models but could find none that so closely resemble the Lloyd LP400 (the resemblance is surely not coincidental).

Confused?

texases

1955 Toyopet Crown Master RR?

andys120

Toypet Crown Master


Lloyd LP 400


Notice the similarities in the shapes of the windshield, fenders and hood. The biggest difference is the number of doors. I think they must have been related somehow.

fintail

The A-pillar and windshield are remarkably similar. Probably just like today, one designer liked the look of a car, and made it his own.

magnette

That's it - Toyopet Master (I didn't realise it was a Crown Master but it was certainly related, as it was the cheaper, fleet model of the Crown, aimed at taxi etc use. It dates from 1955 -8 or so.

I can see the resemblance to the Lloyd, and I've never seen a Toyopet Master, but based on the size of the number plate I would say the Toyopet is the size of a contemporary Hillman Minx or Austin A40 Cambridge, so a medium car by European standards and large enough to be a taxi in Japan

The Lloyd is a lot smaller - it is a little car about the size of a Fiat 600 or a DKW - as seen by the German Plate on the one in the photo.

Certainly there is a design similarity and possibly some influence though, I must say.

andys120

explorerx4

The plate says 90 BMWZ1, so that's what I'm going with.
I've never seen one of those.

andys120

Good eye, explorerx4, I didn't notice the plate

texases

The Z1 looks pretty unusual with the door 'open':


Very few made or sold, wasn't it a fiberglass body?

stever

Disappointed that Harold and Maude's hearses weren't in the list.

Can you identify these cars from film and TV?

andys120

stickguy

Ferrari 400i?

uplanderguy

Remember, the '65 was a completely-new car from roof to road, bumper to bumper. I doubt that they did that, thinking they were going to discontinue the car.

The book came out after the '65 was introduced, I think. Even I'm old enough to remember all the negative press about it--commonplace now maybe but unheard-of then. That, plus the Mustang's sales success, meant very little development after '66 (which is when sales started to decline for the Corvair).

My aunt bought a new dark blue metallic '65 Monza hardtop, blackwalls but full wheel covers, Powerglide, and the standard 95-hp six (sadly). When she got married either one or at the most, two years later, she sold the car outright for only $1,300 because the buyer said "Corvairs are dangerous". Apparently not enough to make him not want the car, and the 'problem' was really only '60-'63 cars.

andys120

Ferrari 400i?

Nope, sorry. This particular wreck was recently auctioned as is for $250,000 apparently the buyer wants to exhibit it as an objet d'arte.

Anyone else? Going...going...

grahampeters

G'day

The less pretty Dino! The 308 GT4 which initially had Dino badges but was later badged as a Ferrari. Compared to the Pininfarini Dino 206 and 246, it looks plain. I wonder how Bertone got the job?

Dramatically less valuable than a 246. There was also a four cylinder version, the 208GT4

Cheers

Graham

magnette

That site is blocked to UK residents....

stever

Leave it to the BBC to block content to the people that own them.

Maybe you can get there via http://www.bbc.com/autos but trying bbc.co.uk/autos doesn't work.

Mr_Shiftright

I think that after Nader's book, plus GM being caught spying on Nader, was so much bad PR lumped together that GM gave up on the car and had no plans to develop it further. Even Ed Cole ("father of the Corvair") was appalled at GM getting caught in the act. Somewhat ironically, Ed Cole died in a crash--but not a car---a small plane.

andys120

The less pretty Dino! The 308 GT4

You nailed it Graham.

andys120

stever

I assume the guy on the phone is calling the cops for a tow for blocking the pedestrian crosswalk.

explorerx4

I know generally what the car is, but I'm trying to figure out where the picture was taken.
Just below the Broad St sign, I can see Count Basie xx (can't read it).

kyfdx

Pretty fancy car for Jersey.

kyfdx

Red Bank, NJ

explorerx4

Pretty sure it's a Saleen S7.

andys120

Saleen S7 is correct, fewer than 100 were made.

andys120

stever

Hm, the link "behind" the photo works but I can't see the pic here. Oh, maybe you are still editing.

stickguy

red bank is a big money area. Right next to Rumson, where Springsteen, Bon Jovi and a lot of very rich wall street types live.

kyfdx

Yeah.. I had no idea... I mapped it when I saw the street sign.. ;-)

andys120

You mean The Boss doesn't live in Asbury Park?

andys120

robr2

Volvo Bertone Coupe - early 80's

Mr_Shiftright

"The Volvo for Headless People".

fintail

282C to be exact. 1978-80 maybe.