Mystery car pix

stickguy

looks vaguely A-M ish from the grill. Is it a real early one of those?

andys120

@stickguy said:
looks vaguely A-M ish from the grill. Is it a real early one of those?

Nope not an Aston, but like most classic Aston-Martins, the coachwork is from Carrozzeria Touring.

bhill2

@stickguy said:
looks vaguely A-M ish from the grill. Is it a real early one of those?

I will take a plunge and say it is a Cistalia, maybe a 202.

magnette

Its a Ferrari - Is it a 212?

magnette

This one has less desirable coachwork......

magnette

And from the rear

andys120

@magnette said:
Its a Ferrari - Is it a 212?

No, it isn't but in all fairness the Ferrari 166 Inter/ Touring shown is is nearly identical to the Ferrari 212 Export Berlinetta I saw at the Scottsdale auctions this winter. Photographs do not do either car justice, this is the 212>

Before the emergence of Pininfarina in the mid 50s most Ferraris wore coachwork from Vignale or Touring.

fintail

I think it is a Bond (not a "Bug"), but I don't know the name.

I hope it is fiber(re)glass, in looking at that panel alignment. First pic looks like a nice car show too - 80s Escort, Audi 80 B2, woo hoo!

@magnette said:
This one has less desirable coachwork......

Mr_Shiftright

You are right about the B18, which came in 1962 and was a much MUCH better engine than the B16, which I personally wouldn't even bother to rebuild. (B16 had a 3 bearing crank, and they SNAPPED). But the 544 (5 bearing crank) never had a split windshield, as far as I can research/recall. Also, the 444 had a 3 speed trans and the 544 a 4-speed.

i worked on so many of those I could still do them in my sleep. Wonderful car the 544.

@isellhondas said:
Ah...I seem to remember the early PV 544's had two piece windshields but I guess I could be wrong. In my young days, I owned a couple of them. I also believe the early 544's had the B-16 engine. I don't think the B-18 came along until around 1962. Again, I could be wrong.

They are tough, rugged little cars that were so superior to a VW Beetle in so many ways and they weren't much more money when new.

grahampeters

@andys120 said:

G'day

Ferrari 166 from about 1950. The rear is not well integrated with the front and is even worse if you can find any shots from the rear 3/4.

I think it is a Touring body

Cheers

Graham

grahampeters

@magnette said:
This one has less desirable coachwork......

G'day

You are really doing obscure now. The bonnet clips and windscreen shape give it away as Triumph Herald based and the really lousy panel fit suggests fiberglass. There were a few Triumph derived British cars in the 1960's and this one, from the chequerboard badge, is a Bond Equipe. The shape is supposed to be a true 4 seater and it was labelled the Equipe GT4S. The colour is truly awful.

Our neighbour, when I was very small, had a Triumph Herald convertible which I thought remarkably unappealing. He had a fondness for unusual cars, following the Herald up with a very early Mini Moke on tiny 10" wheels and then a Steyr Puch Haflinger, probably the least suitable car ever for around town travel, but certainly distinctive! I was always slightly mystified at how his fairly conservative wife coped with climbing in and out of this succession of oddities whilst wearing a dress and ever present neat coat.

Cheers

Graham

magnette

Re the Ferrari I don't know a 166 from a 212 - I would have guessed it was Touring though....

magnette

Re the Bond

Well done Fin for getting the make right and Graham for the model - it is a Bond Equipe GT4S - the 4S bit designated the 4 headlight version which was developed from the nicer looking original Equipe.

• Based on the Triumph Herald, they sold quite a number of these and they are still around at car shows - the mix of Triumph bits and fibre-glass means they are fairly easy to keep going I suppose.
• It was at a car show in South Wales about four years ago I think. Any takers for the saloon with the white stripe down the side that is next to the car in the rear shot, or the (pre-war) green car in front of it next to the Minor?

magnette

Stately ....

stever

Here's another "family album" discussion maybe someone can help with:

Can you identify this car?

grahampeters

@magnette said:
Re the Bond

Well done Fin for getting the make right and Graham for the model - it is a Bond Equipe GT4S - the 4S bit designated the 4 headlight version which was developed from the nicer looking original Equipe.

• Based on the Triumph Herald, they sold quite a number of these and they are still around at car shows - the mix of Triumph bits and fibre-glass means they are fairly easy to keep going I suppose.
• It was at a car show in South Wales about four years ago I think. Any takers for the saloon with the white stripe down the side that is next to the car in the rear shot, or the (pre-war) green car in front of it next to the Minor?

G'day

The blue car behind the Bond is a Farina designed BMC and looks like the large body so I think Austin Westminster or Wolseley 6/110 or Vanden Plas Princess.

However the stripe down the side is slightly down market making me wonder if it is an Austin A60 Cambridge. This was fractionally smaller. Dad had an Australian assembled one when I was young and it did sterling service for about ten years; however the Australian paint work was a little tamer. Dad's was a two tone grey which he brightened considerably by adding a red sun visor to ward off the Australian sun - heavens knows what this did for airflow

Cheers

Graham

magnette

@grahampeters said:
Graham

It is the A60 Cambridge - it looks bigger because the Bond is actually quite a small car...

fintail

I think the prewar car might be an Austin 10, or something of that small but not tiny size. White stripe car is a BMC Farina, I don't know enough to tell them apart by brand.

@magnette said:

Any takers for the saloon with the white stripe down the side that is next to the car in the rear shot, or the (pre-war) green car in front of it next to the Minor?

fintail

Armstrong Siddeley from around 1950 - I don't know the name. I see a cool Bristol 400 in the background, too.

@magnette said:
Stately ....

magnette

@fintail said:
I think the prewar car might be an Austin 10, or something of that small but not tiny size. White stripe car is a BMC Farina, I don't know enough to tell them apart by brand.

The green car is an Austin 12, I think - somewhere I have a photo of the front of it which is how to tell (the badge). The striped one is indeed an A60

magnette

@fintail said:
Armstrong Siddeley from around 1950 - I don't know the name. I see a cool Bristol 400 in the background, too.

Stately ....

Yes - Its an Armstrong SIddeley Lancaster - the model was current from 1945 - 52, but I think this one is from about 1950
Well spotted on the Bristol 400 in the background.

bhill2

@Mr_Shiftright said:
You can always tell a 444 from a 544 because it has a split windshield; or if you open the hood, the engine is a B16, not a B18, and has the oil filler cap dead center in the valve cover. It's the Swedish 1948 Ford!

As luck would have it, I just received my July issue of Hemmings Sports and Exotic Car, which features a 1962 P1800. It has that center oil filler cap. Did the early B18s have that or does the car have a B16 valve cover?

isellhondas

A black PV 544 certainly does look like a compact '48 Ford!

andys120

grahampeters

@andys120 said:

G'day

Okay, I get the message that it is a Buick from the three stylised portholes in its flank, but what do they mean? Is it purely a design cue, or did they originally have some functional purpose

Cheers

GRaham

lostwrench1

1963 Buick Wildcat.

lostwrench1

Only on the early 1949 Buicks were the portholes functional, allowing air to escape from the engine compartment.

andys120

@lostwrench1 said:
1963 Buick Wildcat.

Yes

andys120

slorenzen

@andys120 said:

1972 Mazda RX-2

andys120

@slorenzen said:
1972 Mazda RX-2

Yup.

andys120

Mr_Shiftright

The valve covers wouldn't interchange, so I don't know what's up with that car. I mean, P1800 means 1800cc, so a 1.8L engine.

@bhill2 said: "As luck would have it, I just received my July issue of Hemmings Sports and Exotic Car, which features a 1962 P1800. It has that center oil filler cap. Did the early B18s have that or does the car have a B16 valve cover?"

bhill2

@Mr_Shiftright said:
The valve covers wouldn't interchange, so I don't know what's up with that

car. I mean, P1800 means 1800cc, so a 1.8L engine.

Yes, I am sure that they never put the B16 in the P1800 even at first. The specs also specifically listed the engine size at 1,778 cc, which is the B18. I wasn't sure about the oil filler position on the first B18s. I owned a '62 122 with the B18 for a short time, but it had been lovingly maintained by the owner, who was the most incompetent mechanic alive. For instance, he had replaced the rear brake shoes by installing front shoes upside down. I put out a fortune hoping that the latest screw-up was the last. Luckily, the local Volvo dealer gave me about twice what it was worth in trade for a left-over '69 142. The '62 became a memory which I tried to erase, and that included the position of the oil filler. On the other hand, I have very good memories of the 142.

grahampeters

@andys120 said:

G'day

Gee, that is beautiful. The little badge, low on the flank is a Pinin Farina badge

The lines suggest a Maserati A6 but there is no obvious Trident symbol, so I am less sure. It looks too large for a Cisitalia.

Interesting how much better integrated the rear end is compared to the Ferrari posted a day or two ago.

Cheers

GRaham

andys120

@grahampeters said:
Gee, that is beautiful. The little badge, low on the flank is a Pinin Farina badge

The lines suggest a Maserati A6 but there is no obvious Trident symbol, so I am less sure. It looks too large for a Cisitalia.

Yup, that is a Maserati A6/1500 ca. 1947. The A6 was a significant car in several respects being Maserati's first road car and one of Pinin Farina's early efforts. It was built in 1946 and shown at the Geneva Auto Salon in early 1947 around the same time as the smaller Cisitalia 202 which it resembles very closely (Pinin Farina often borrowed from himself). A few dozen were built between 1946 and '49. Some were bodied by Zagato and others.

Cisitalia 202>

Maserati A6/1500>

P.S. Later versions of the A6 wore the Trident very prominently in the grille, here's PF's take on the A6GS>

The Trident comes from the Piazza Nettuno in Maserati's home base of Bologna.

andys120

@grahampeters said:
GRaham

Interesting how much better integrated the rear end is compared to the Ferrari posted a day or >two ago.

That's a matter of opinion of course but I must disagree, having seen the Ferrari 212 Export Berlinetta this winter in the metal. Photographs simply do not convey the beauty and proportion of the car's lines but for the edification of the readers here's the Touring Ferrari 212>

Compared to the Pinin Farina Maserati A6>

What do you think readers?

stever

Neither rear ends do justice to the fronts.

(And don't tell me that's a Renault parked next to the A6).

andys120

robr2

Chevy Nova II Wagon.

lostwrench1

Hmmm, but which year. I'll go with the earliest, 1962.

andys120

@robr2 said:
Chevy Nova II Wagon.

Exactly, MY 1962.

texases

How many niches are there, anyway (don't click on 'quote' unless you want to see the answer)?

kyfdx

The new 4-Series Gran Coupe?

texases

Yep. Mix a 4 series 2 door with a 3 series 4 doors with a 3 GT hatchback, and whadda ya get? That thing...

kyfdx

The Gran Coupes, while non-sensical, still look pretty stunning, in person. I think they look better than the CLS line from Mercedes. The Volkswagen CC is in a similar vein, and I like the looks of that, too. (I was in VW dealership the last two days... )

au1994

@kyfdx said:
The Gran Coupes, while non-sensical, still look pretty stunning, in person. I think they look better than the CLS line from Mercedes. The Volkswagen CC is in a similar vein, and I like the looks of that, too. (I was in VW dealership the last two days... )

I love them and will seriously consider one to replace my F30.

fintail

Not as much as the 3er, but this is still a BMW Crosstour. 6er GC is cool, this thing, not so much.

How many niches? How high can Germans count?

@texases said:
How many niches are there, anyway (don't click on 'quote' unless you want to see the answer)?

robr2

@fintail said:
How many niches are there, anyway (don't click on 'quote' unless you want to see the answer)?

Here's a niche MB created in Germany: the ugly people mover/delivery wagon

kyfdx

That looks better than the R-Class that we got.