You are both a little off. The motor is a 289 CID (4.7L) Ford as installed in a Sunbeam Tiger, Mk.II. Most Tigers used the 260 but in the last year of production, 1967, the Mk.II was introduced with the larger engine. Chrysler Corporation had acquired the Rootes Group in 1966 and ceased production, having little interest in selling a car equipped with Ford power.
Fun facts from Wikipedia:
-The lightweight V8 didn't substantially alter the Sunbeam's weight distribution 51%F-4%R
-Due to space considerations the Tiger swapped the recirculating ball steering of the Alpine for a sportier rack and Pinion set-up.
-Badges on the Mk.I read "powered by Ford" just as on the small block Cobra but after the ChryCo takeover they read "Sunbeam V8".
-Assembly of Tigers was subcontracted to Jensen who had spare capacity having completed it's production of Volvo P1800.
-While Alpine/Tiger did not have the sexiest body, it featured one of the most beautiful dashes ever seen on a production car IMO.
I would say it is likely to be either Wolseley Ten (like the black one in Fin's photo) or the closely related (and more common) Morris Ten which had the same body shell - and which, for the record, was made for years longer in India as the Hindustan Ten, with a slightly different nose (not visible in this case, of course)
@robr2 said:
1987 Mustang Five Point Oh Convertible. It's not a GT as it is missing the aero effects.
Pretty close, it's a 1990 Ford Mustang LX/5.0 Special Edition ; these had the same go-fast goodies as the GT but lacked the deep air dams and side skirts. In fact it's nearly identical to the '86 GT 5.0 convertible I owned except for some changes in the shape of the front end. The Special Edition cars all had the white top and interior, as well as special wheels and metallic emerald green paint. IMO they were the prettiest of the Fox-body 'Stangs.
My '86 was similar looking with the same white top and interior but with charcoal gray metallic paint and the "telephone dial" wheels that most 5-liter Mustangs wore..
I loved Dinkys when I was a kid and I wish I hadn't ruined mine, I had at least a dozen. That particular vehicle escapes me but there's a good chance it's either an Austin or a Ford.
@andys120 said:
That's a Bedford CA which apparently was ubiquitous in the British isles during the 50s and 60s, it's in seen in every Brit movie of that era.
Yes - thats a Bedford CA and it was pretty much everywhere... THis is the early version from the fities - they changed the grille on later ones.
@magnette said:
The military 4x4 isn't an Austin Gypsy - in fact its a lot more obscure than that - it's LHD for a >start and wasn't serving with our armed forces...
Doh!, I didn't catch the wrong-hand drive. Could be a Fiat Camagnola or a Zastava-made copy
Magnette - really appreciate the UK spin you give us on these forums. I can remember when I was very young seeing some of those Vauxhall's, English Ford's and some British makes on the road in the Chicago area. For whatever reasons, the TR-3 seemed very popular, particularly in the western suburbs back in the 60's. I liked them! I get a kick out of some of the old European pictures because sometimes they look a bit like maybe a 4/5ths scale US car back then.
@andys120 said:
Doh!, I didn't catch the wrong-hand drive. Could be a Fiat Camagnola or a Zastava-made copy
It is actually a Belgian licence built copy of an early Land-Rover 80" wheelbase model - built by Minerva. They made classy cars in the teens and twenties, but I think all they made by WW2 was commercial stuff and some military hardware after the war.
@andys120 said:
I loved Dinkys when I was a kid and I wish I hadn't ruined mine, I had at least a dozen. That particular vehicle escapes me but there's a good chance it's either an Austin or a Ford.
It is a Morris Z type van - they made a special van for the Post Office - thousands of them (mostly red, but the telephone ones were green, like this). The original shape was a 1930's Morris 8 lookalike but they did this version after that - right through to the early 50's when they were not making this shape van for anyone else. Then they made thousands of Morris Minor vans for the next 25 years...
And the 24 on the wheel-arches is indeed the tyre pressures in lbs...
I can now remember what the funny plate at the front is. The spare wheel was mounted forward of the front bumper, providing both carriage of the wheel and a rudimentary bull bar.
@magnette said:
It is actually a Belgian licence built copy of an early Land-Rover 80" wheelbase model - built >by Minerva. They made classy cars in the teens and twenties, but I think all they made by >WW2 was commercial stuff and some military hardware after the war.
I've heard of Minerva, which built very expensive cars that were competitive w Rolls, Duesenberg and Mercedes during the 20s and 30s>
Interestingly enough, one of the reasons for Minerva's demise according to motorbase.com may have been a "flood of cheap American cars" into Europe after 1928. Presumably they're talking about Packards, Caddies and Lincolns rather than Chevies, Fords and Hudsons. Anybody heard of this?
Yup, to be exact a 1975 Pontiac Ventura Sprint/350 . Earlier Tempest and Firebird "Sprints" in the late '60s sported a SOHC six but did not sell well in that era of cheap gas.
man, first glance at that red convertible said "TR-6", but something was off, obviously when I took a look at the sides. vaguely reminiscent of a Datsun 2000 or Honda roadster, but not quite.
I had to give up and look it up. Never would have gotten it.
@Mr_Shiftright said:
Minerva is credited by some historians as having the first automatic transmission.
OK, you got my attention. What manner of automatic was it? Did it have a fluid coupling? Some sort of pre-selector? Or would it actually shift itself and if so, how?
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When I replied on this question, using the "quote" button it brings up the name of the picture file, which gives the answer but I must admit my guess would have been an Innocenti Type C - apparently it is a different version being a 950.
In future I will try to avoid replying using the quote button - is there another way of doing that ?
I've just had a look at some stuff about Minerva in a book I have at my office and it seems that although they continued to make luxury cars for the carriage trade, they introduced a 2-litre six cylinder car in about 1927, which sold in England for £500 - not exactly cheap but aimed at the middle class cars which were badly hit by US car sales in the twenties. They suffered in the depression and their last proper new model was a 2-liter four cylinder car, which wasn't successful...They also tried to introduce a 3.7-litre transverse engine FWD car in 1937 using a Ford V8 (presumably a European one) but that wasn't a success either - they made three....
Part of me is going Italian and part Austin Healey Sprite inspired. There are marked similarities to the Datsun Sports or Honda, but I don't think that is correct. Wipers are set up for Right Hand Drive so I suspect derived from a UK bodyshell.
BMC had an Italian subsidiary in the 1960's; not near bookshelves at moment so cannot recall their name.
Part of me is going Italian and part Austin Healey Sprite inspired. There are marked >similarities to the Datsun Sports or Honda, but I don't think that is correct. Wipers are set up >or Right Hand Drive so I suspect derived from a UK bodyshell.
BMC had an Italian subsidiary in the 1960's; not near bookshelves at moment so cannot >recall their name.
The car is an ** Innocenti 950 Spider**, a re-bodied Sprite Mk.II made in Milan (1961-68) under license. You're essentially correct but British Leyland did not actually take over Innocenti until '72. BLMC later sold it to Fiat.
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I was in the same 'hood in '88. But, I went with Acura Integra over the Dodge Daytona. Integra was a good choice.
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Well the engine say powered by Ford and I see 8 plug wire so I'll guess it's a Shelby Cobra.
260 Ford V-8 out of a Sunbeam Tiger?
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You are both a little off. The motor is a 289 CID (4.7L) Ford as installed in a Sunbeam Tiger, Mk.II. Most Tigers used the 260 but in the last year of production, 1967, the Mk.II was introduced with the larger engine. Chrysler Corporation had acquired the Rootes Group in 1966 and ceased production, having little interest in selling a car equipped with Ford power.
Fun facts from Wikipedia:
-The lightweight V8 didn't substantially alter the Sunbeam's weight distribution 51%F-4%R
-Due to space considerations the Tiger swapped the recirculating ball steering of the Alpine for a sportier rack and Pinion set-up.
-Badges on the Mk.I read "powered by Ford" just as on the small block Cobra but after the ChryCo takeover they read "Sunbeam V8".
-Assembly of Tigers was subcontracted to Jensen who had spare capacity having completed it's production of Volvo P1800.
-While Alpine/Tiger did not have the sexiest body, it featured one of the most beautiful dashes ever seen on a production car IMO.
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I was once a passenger in a 289 Tiger and I have to tell you, that little car was QUICK!!
Oh, I've worked on a couple of those! Pretty tight in there!
Replacing spark plugs would be a nasty job!
Worse than a 390 Mustang I would think.
Ford 289 in a Sunbeam Tiger?
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1987 Mustang Five Point Oh Convertible. It's not a GT as it is missing the aero effects.
I would say it is likely to be either Wolseley Ten (like the black one in Fin's photo) or the closely related (and more common) Morris Ten which had the same body shell - and which, for the record, was made for years longer in India as the Hindustan Ten, with a slightly different nose (not visible in this case, of course)
This looks like a big engine squashed into a small car - and it says Tiger on the air filter. Is this a Sunbeam Tiger?
Pretty close, it's a 1990 Ford Mustang LX/5.0 Special Edition ; these had the same go-fast goodies as the GT but lacked the deep air dams and side skirts. In fact it's nearly identical to the '86 GT 5.0 convertible I owned except for some changes in the shape of the front end. The Special Edition cars all had the white top and interior, as well as special wheels and metallic emerald green paint. IMO they were the prettiest of the Fox-body 'Stangs.
My '86 was similar looking with the same white top and interior but with charcoal gray metallic paint and the "telephone dial" wheels that most 5-liter Mustangs wore..
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Not quite what it looks like....
Seen at the London - Brighton Commercial vehicle run two weeks ago - it was like a load of old Dinky Toys had come to life...
More Dinky Toys
And another one
Sorry - this should have been with the quote above...
Big Dinky Toys, too
Austin Gypsy, a competitor of the look-alike Land Rover. Austin was once one of the most prolific car companies in the world.
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That's a Bedford CA which apparently was ubiquitous in the British isles during the 50s and 60s, it's in seen in every Brit movie of that era.
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I loved Dinkys when I was a kid and I wish I hadn't ruined mine, I had at least a dozen. That particular vehicle escapes me but there's a good chance it's either an Austin or a Ford.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Let me throw out this trivia question. Why the 24's over the wheel wells?
Yes - thats a Bedford CA and it was pretty much everywhere... THis is the early version from the fities - they changed the grille on later ones.
That the air pressure required in the tires?
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The military 4x4 isn't an Austin Gypsy - in fact its a lot more obscure than that - it's LHD for a start and wasn't serving with our armed forces...
>
Correct, Stickguy. The US Postal Service has been doing that for many years.
Doh!, I didn't catch the wrong-hand drive. Could be a Fiat Camagnola or a Zastava-made copy
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Dinky Toys, you say? I have a real one:
Matchbox made a couple Bedford like the Dinky, too - popular model:
I think the green mail van is another Ford Pop.
Matchbox also made an ERF truck that looks like the pictured Foden, Matchbox Fodens were the later type with wraparound front corner windows.
Magnette - really appreciate the UK spin you give us on these forums. I can remember when I was very young seeing some of those Vauxhall's, English Ford's and some British makes on the road in the Chicago area. For whatever reasons, the TR-3 seemed very popular, particularly in the western suburbs back in the 60's. I liked them! I get a kick out of some of the old European pictures because sometimes they look a bit like maybe a 4/5ths scale US car back then.
It is actually a Belgian licence built copy of an early Land-Rover 80" wheelbase model - built by Minerva. They made classy cars in the teens and twenties, but I think all they made by WW2 was commercial stuff and some military hardware after the war.
It is a Morris Z type van - they made a special van for the Post Office - thousands of them (mostly red, but the telephone ones were green, like this). The original shape was a 1930's Morris 8 lookalike but they did this version after that - right through to the early 50's when they were not making this shape van for anyone else. Then they made thousands of Morris Minor vans for the next 25 years...
And the 24 on the wheel-arches is indeed the tyre pressures in lbs...
G'day
I can now remember what the funny plate at the front is. The spare wheel was mounted forward of the front bumper, providing both carriage of the wheel and a rudimentary bull bar.
Cheers
GRaham
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'75 Pontiac Ventura
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I've heard of Minerva, which built very expensive cars that were competitive w Rolls, Duesenberg and Mercedes during the 20s and 30s>
Interestingly enough, one of the reasons for Minerva's demise according to motorbase.com may have been a "flood of cheap American cars" into Europe after 1928. Presumably they're talking about Packards, Caddies and Lincolns rather than Chevies, Fords and Hudsons. Anybody heard of this?
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Minerva is credited by some historians as having the first automatic transmission.
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Yup, to be exact a 1975 Pontiac Ventura Sprint/350 . Earlier Tempest and Firebird "Sprints" in the late '60s sported a SOHC six but did not sell well in that era of cheap gas.
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man, first glance at that red convertible said "TR-6", but something was off, obviously when I took a look at the sides. vaguely reminiscent of a Datsun 2000 or Honda roadster, but not quite.
I had to give up and look it up. Never would have gotten it.
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OK, you got my attention. What manner of automatic was it? Did it have a fluid coupling? Some sort of pre-selector? Or would it actually shift itself and if so, how?
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When I replied on this question, using the "quote" button it brings up the name of the picture file, which gives the answer but I must admit my guess would have been an Innocenti Type C - apparently it is a different version being a 950.
In future I will try to avoid replying using the quote button - is there another way of doing that ?
I've just had a look at some stuff about Minerva in a book I have at my office and it seems that although they continued to make luxury cars for the carriage trade, they introduced a 2-litre six cylinder car in about 1927, which sold in England for £500 - not exactly cheap but aimed at the middle class cars which were badly hit by US car sales in the twenties. They suffered in the depression and their last proper new model was a 2-liter four cylinder car, which wasn't successful...They also tried to introduce a 3.7-litre transverse engine FWD car in 1937 using a Ford V8 (presumably a European one) but that wasn't a success either - they made three....
G'day
Part of me is going Italian and part Austin Healey Sprite inspired. There are marked similarities to the Datsun Sports or Honda, but I don't think that is correct. Wipers are set up for Right Hand Drive so I suspect derived from a UK bodyshell.
BMC had an Italian subsidiary in the 1960's; not near bookshelves at moment so cannot recall their name.
Pretty, no matter what it is
Cheers
Graham
@magnette, one way to reply without quoting is to use the @ sign. That will help bring your reply to the attention of the original poster.
Unless there's several threads going on at once, simply leaving a comment is probably sufficient.
The car is an ** Innocenti 950 Spider**, a re-bodied Sprite Mk.II made in Milan (1961-68) under license. You're essentially correct but British Leyland did not actually take over Innocenti until '72. BLMC later sold it to Fiat.
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T-Topper>
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Back in 1987, I settled on 3 possibilities: Dodge Daytona Shelby Z, Fiat Spider, Toyota MR2. I chose the Daytona as it was the most practical but I still wish I went with either of the other two.
I was in the same 'hood in '88. But, I went with Acura Integra over the Dodge Daytona. Integra was a good choice.
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