Mystery car pix

andys120

magnette said:

The station wagon I posted yesterday isn't British...

Looks a bit like a Simca Aronde to me.

Michaell

fintail said:

Renault Avantime. I think I saw a couple this last trip to Europe, all in Geneva I think. They are getting rare now, it's a shame what TG did to theirs. I think the roof chop was an Espace, but they still ruined the Avantime. Future cult car, if the electronics hold up.

 You are correct – it was the espace that they turned into a convertible. The avantime was chopped and modded  to achieve a specific lap time 

Mr_Shiftright

Apparently, the last automobile to be built with the name "Pontiac" on it, anywhere in the world, was a G3 Wave made in Canada. (Dec 2009). The last American Pontiac made was a G6, in November 2009.

Mr_Shiftright

The G3 sold only 7,000 cars in the US and Canada. Here's a car that probably sold even fewer in its lifetime:

berri

OMG, who popped out the turd

Mr_Shiftright

That's about what buyers thought, too.

Michaell

Huh, I saw two of those just last Sunday here in Colorado.

Mr_Shiftright

I think the fuel economy was one thing that killed it.

kyfdx

Wikipedia says they sold about 6000 ZDXs, total.

Every one they made.

fintail

I see those ZDXs now and then around Seattle. CO and WA must have been the markets. Kind of like Vehicross.

Mr_Shiftright

A big disappointment for Acura, to be sure.

Anybody remember this flop?

stickguy

Lexus IS300 sportcross. I probably would have bought one if they put the stick in that model, and not just the 4 door.

cool car. Kind of tight inside, and really lousy MPG.

Michaell

fintail said:

I see those ZDXs now and then around Seattle. CO and WA must have been the markets. Kind of like Vehicross.

Funny you should mention those .. there are a couple of those around town where I deliver pizzas.

fintail

Subaru Bajas are around here too - probably also to be found in CO.

The Sportcross...I remember when the new IS was a hot topic about 2 and a half years ago, Lexus actually posted a rumor to its own facebook page that a Sportcross variant would come with the sedan. Of course, it didn't happen.

Mr_Shiftright

Problem with it was price and there also wasn't much "sport" in it.

stickguy

it did have interesting chronograph/motorcycle style gauges. And metal pedals. that qualifies as sporty, right? At least at Lexus?

Michaell

fintail said:

Subaru Bajas are around here too - probably also to be found in CO.

The Sportcross...I remember when the new IS was a hot topic about 2 and a half years ago, Lexus actually posted a rumor to its own facebook page that a Sportcross variant would come with the sedan. Of course, it didn't happen.

Oh, yes. In abundance. There are a couple of really clean examples around town I wouldn't mind owning.

Michaell

stickguy said:

it did have interesting chronograph/motorcycle style gauges. And metal pedals. that qualifies as sporty, right? At least at Lexus?

And the original IS also pioneered the 'clear tail light' trend that every fanboi had to copy on their 10 year old Civic with $10 aftermarket parts from Pep Boys.

magnette

andys120 said:

magnette said:

The station wagon I posted yesterday isn't British...

Looks a bit like a Simca Aronde to me.

It isn't from western Europe

kyfdx

The kid down the street has a SportCross. It's a great looking car. Only thing missing is a stick-shift. It may not not have sold a lot, but it wasn't hideous in appearance, like the ZDX.

Sort of like the 3-series wagon. Didn't sell much, but everyone thinks they are "cool" now.

Mr_Shiftright

Here's another vehicle that bombed in the marketplace:

stever

Is that the Lincoln?

I've seen a couple of white ones here that have looked pretty sharp.

stickguy

Lincoln mark LT.

Saw one on the turnpike Saturday. Riding on the back of a flatbed tow truck.

texases

stickguy said:

Lincoln mark LT.

Saw one on the turnpike Saturday. Riding on the back of a flatbed tow truck.

I think that's the LT's predecessor, the very short-lived 'Blackwood'.

tmart

Lincoln Blackwood?

Mr_Shiftright

Yep, the Blackwood. They sold only 3,356 of them, and this vehicle has the distinction of being discontinued even before the 2002 model year ended.

stever

The ones I see around here are most likely the "common" Mark LTs.

Mr_Shiftright

You can put lipstick on an F150 but that doesn't make it a star.

fintail

It's a Moskvich something or other probably from the late 50s. Some of their designers admired the 52-54 Fords, I know a GAZ Volga looked similar.

magnette said:

Anyway, try this one....

berri

... or a sedan that developed a tumor on it's rear end

qbrozen

I saw a Blackwood at a dealer once. I looked through the window and remember being impressed with the interior. Pricetag made me choke, though.

andys120

It isn't from western Europe

Eastern Europe? East German or Russian perhaps. Something about it suggests a Wartburg.

tjc78

qbrozen said:

I saw a Blackwood at a dealer once. I looked through the window and remember being impressed with the interior. Pricetag made me choke, though.

It was basically a Navigator inside and IIRC the bed is carpeted.  Not all that different than the Escalade version of the Avalanche.  

magnette

fintail said:

It's a Moskvich something or other probably from the late 50s. Some of their designers admired the 52-54 Fords, I know a GAZ Volga looked similar.

magnette said:

Anyway, try this one....

Yes - well done Fintail. It's a Moskvitch 423 Estate - circa 1958/9. Bit smaller than the GAZ Volga.

andys120

stickguy

looks like a 50ish Stuedebaker, but the rear fenders look wrong.

kyfdx

Pretty sure it's a Dodge.

stever

The logo says Dodge.

Mr_Shiftright

Dodge "Job-Rated", circa....hmmm.....1948-49? Sturdy old trucks---flathead engines though.

berri

I remember we had an old early 50's Dodge school bus that's front end looked like that. That particular bus had a tendency to break down as I recall.

tjc78

Those new tires look out of place on that pickup.

andys120

Mr_Shiftright said:

Dodge "Job-Rated", circa....hmmm.....1948-49? Sturdy old trucks---flathead engines though.

Yup, 1949 Dodge B-1-B.

andys120

Michaell

andys120 said:

Gen 1 Acura Legend Coupe. Late 80's vintage.

texases

I thought that coupe, the 1st gen Acura sedan, and the 2005 or so Acura TL were the best of the bunch, by far.

kyfdx

Man... I wanted one of those bad.

In 1990, I was shopping for 1989 model, stick... slightly used. Asking prices were about $23,900, and my budget was $20K. When I couldn't get anyone under $22K, I bought a 1984 911 Targa, instead for $20K.

About 4 years later, my sister-in-law got a '90 LS model... I was really jealous.

fintail

And today compare the value of the Legend (which are getting to be pretty rare even here) to the Targa. Fun times.

When I was a kid, I thought the coupe was a hardtop. Nice looking car.

stickguy

I remember going to look at Acuras when they first came out. as in the first week the dealer in NJ was open (and that was not even a dealership yet, they were working out of the garage area because a showroom was not ready yet). This was either 1985 or early 1986.

I was looking at integras though. Pop up "moonroof" on the first year LS. Loved the 4 door legend though. Would have been great to get one, but at the time, a $20K sticker (not even factoring in any ADM) was way out of the budget! The Integra was 12K, still a lot at the time, compared to other options. Heck, a 1986 GTI was about $2K less than the Acura.

kyfdx

fintail said:

And today compare the value of the Legend (which are getting to be pretty rare even here) to the Targa. Fun times.

When I was a kid, I thought the coupe was a hardtop. Nice looking car.

Yeah... I had the 911 for 4 years, and sold it for $16,500.. today, could probably get $25K for it. But, no one knew that, then. '89 Legend coupe would have been worth about $10K after 4 years, and about $3500 now.

I really like the 2nd generation Legend sedan.

andys120

Michaell said:

andys120 said:

Gen 1 Acura Legend Coupe. Late 80's vintage.

It's an 88 Acura Legend 5-speed. Funny how the best looking Acuras were the first, it's been all downhill since.