Tundra vs. Big 3

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  • leathal02leathal02 Member Posts: 114
    but for the numbers on the chevys engine to be so low, they sure are close in performance to the others.......
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    Well speaking of performance has anybody put a cat back system on there truck.I am thinking of having a system put on my truck, I would like duals out the back with some rumble but not to loud but enough so you hear it.My engine is the 5.4 triton.I am also gonna get an airraid system so it breathes a little better.
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    That 5.4 will rumble now Barlitz!

    Tp4unc,
    An electrician on a site today had to take his personal truck(Tundra) to work since the Astro was feeling ill. I took it for a spin at lunch and I'd have to say that it had some pep. Problem is, it doesn't come close to power to the Tritons or Vortec motors. This isn't a knock but it felt "tinny" almost. Almost like it was overworking all of the time. Similar to a hopped-up six.
    Obviously I'm no expert but I still prefer my Fords over the Tundra. I can understand, however, that it is a GOOD truck for personal use. What Toy needs to do is to expand their offerings in order to go after trade-sales. It's a good start but still not quite up to level with GM/Ford.

    Yet. And I say "yet" because Toyota will be there someday, probably within 5 years for half-tons.
    No bashing here....You do have a fine truck.

    I still like your bedliner proposal! LOL!
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    You are right they are close, but still behind AND (this is a big and) going by the numbers Chevy claims, they should be ahead on acceleration. If you look at un"fixed" '99 Cobra dynos, they were pretty bad, yet they were right around the regular GT's as far as dyno and track times. That is why owners cried out. Ford advertised 320 hp and didn't deliver. Now that they are "fixed" (free of charge) they will consistently and quite impressively beat the GT's. This may seem off of the subject, but it is exactly the same type of thing. If it were me, I would demand to get what Chevy had claimed. What I don't understand is that Chevy owners seem to be satisfied with a truck that doesn't perform like it should (according to the manufacturer's own numbers). If I pay 30K, it had better be right!!
  • doudisdoudis Member Posts: 45
    Sure feels powerful to me. I don't care about dyno numbers. I care if I can pass on the freeway, which by the way is not a problem. My 2000 Sierra SLT w/ 5.3L 3.73's rocks. I just upgraded to this truck from a lighter 205 hp 96 T-Bird. The Bird could move but the truck can fly. Dirve em all and find the one that feels right for you.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    That's not really all I care about...just had to get a jab in at Quad(or should I say Rube?). I love Chevy's concept of a truck(Silverado). I just can't get over ALL of the PROBLEMS I've had with Chevies in the past. Piece of mind(real or perceived) is worth alot to me. That's why I chose to gamble on Toyota's rep. My second choice would have been an F150(based on personal experience). Remember, I'm not really an [non-permissible content removed], I just like to "stir the pot" a little.
  • SporinSporin Member Posts: 1,066
    I thought you guys' biggest beef with the Tundra was that it wasn't a "real" truck, now your debating 0-60 times????

    0-60 is no measure of a truck IMO and I know I'm not alone on that one. :-)
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    0-60 was the measure of a real truck. Just disputing someone's claim. A real truck(or car) is one that does what it's supposed to....ALL the time. Good luck on this one now.
  • leathal02leathal02 Member Posts: 114
    goin to complain with my chevy either about the numbers...I think the numbers on the cobra are a bit different then on the silverado..the cobra(I think) has something to do with the engine..the chevys have a lot of drivetrain power loss, at least compared to the f-150

    I am in no way complaining.. i have plenty of power, but I know one thing..if they would have offered the 6.0 L in a half ton truck when i bought mine, I would have that, just because its an awesome engine..

    all I have to do now is put my K&N filter charger on my silverado and see what I get outta that..maybe gas mileage, maybe more power


    '99 Chevy Z-71
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    Tp4unc is just lashing out, getting defensive. Buyer's remorse? Perfectly normal for a Toyota lover. No personal affront taken.

    He's concerned that the quadrunner is going to say something unfair, and the suspense is driving him crazy.

    But there's nothing to fear. I have driven the Tundra now. My friend bought one recently. We took a trip, traded trucks. We did side by side sprints, from a stop, 65 mph roll-ons, all the way to the limit. With payload. Unfettered. Got the pictures. Assembling info into web page now, with pictures, and will put up a link probably today. Never have had a really fancy html editor, so this takes me a little while to get it coded.

    I don't want to spoil it by saying too much, but suffice to say, you're going to be interested whether you drive a Chevy or Toyota.

    Meanwhile, hold your breath just a little longer.
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    The Cobra engines actually weren't putting out the horsepower. it was an actual engineering problem that Ford confirmed and fixed.

    There are no confirmed problems from anyone, GM or publications, that there is any problem with the 5.3 output. the only item of speculation is why the chassis dyno numbers on the Silverado's seem low. Driveline losses are the first culprit suspected.

    There are no reports that have actually dyno'ed the engine only.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    Are you sure Rubluetoo wasn't the one racing the Tundra?


    Post 'em when you get 'em.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    Whatever you say.
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    Actually it was a quality control issue. They got the numbers they were looking for in the pre-production models. The only problem is that the production cars don't get the attention to detail that the prototypes do. In particular was the intake and exhaust systems. They were the "fix".

    As far as driveline losses with a Chevrolet truck, why do they lose so much? Are Chevy's transmissions that inefficient? Ford and Dodge automatics don't drain that much power. IMO, the amount of drop between engine and rear wheels on the new Silverado's is excessive, extremely so. That's why the next place to look is the flywheel. See what it is really putting out.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    The driveline losses in Chevrolet truck would cause heat in the transmission, if they were really so large. It's just a simple case of advertised horsepower not equal to actual output.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    You read it here first!

    Shootout: Tundra vs Silverado

    http://members.aol.com/sturbridg1/utahtrek.html

    Let the flames begin!
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    That's kinda what I thought. I'm not saying that Chevy doesn't make good trucks. I have always thought that they have. And I am not saying that these new truck won't run. They will definitely scoot. I think it's like you say, just a simple case of advertised vs. actual.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    I'm extremely disappointed in your story's lack of detail. And, I'm pissed because you think Ray's Tavern has the world's best burgers!!!!! LOL!



    It sounds like you live an exciting life.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    Best burgers in that part of the world.

    Exciting life? Yes, when I get rid of the speed limiter! You figured out how to do it on the Tundra?
  • 606zpx606zpx Member Posts: 75
    I wanted to compliment you on your article and pics. Seemed unbiased.
    606
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    I, too, was very impressed with your article(and choice of friends!). As for the speed limiter, I just filed the back of my gas pedal down so I could press it closer to the floor. I think it will work on a Chevy, too.


    I still have my OLD Honda 50. Wanna race?
  • cskalacskala Member Posts: 23
    Nice unbiased report!
  • SporinSporin Member Posts: 1,066
    Finally a well written, objective, first-hand comparison under "real-world" conditions.

    A far cry from the hearsay and biased opinions usually read in this forum.

    GOOD JOB QUAD!
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    I checked into the data on the Tundra axle and rearend. Yes they are used in the Tacoma! I wonder how long these will last under heavy loads over years use?
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    Where did you get your info on the Tundra and Tacoma rear end? Not doubting,just curious.
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    No, it not be that HD (Heavy Duty) "full sizer", it be that LL (Long Lasting) "full sizer". Never heard of a problem out of them Tacoma or T100 transmissions or rear ends like them Chevys.

    Note that I still have not seen any evidence to back up your claim in the above post. Where did you get your info? I guess that I'm just going to have to crawl under and take a look to satisfy my curiosity.
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    The oil pressure is normal on my Tundra and from what I can tell, all of the other Tundras that have posted here. I have not seen any posts here relating to engine failures associated with low oil pressure. There is no connection between head gaskets and oil pressure and I'm sure you know this. And I hope you know that some metallic particles deposited in the oil during the break-in period is normal on all vehicles. The problem be that them Chevys be generating those loose metallic particles well past the break-in and from all over the truck.
  • woody24woody24 Member Posts: 59
    I don't doubt you haven't read any problems with the chevys. With all the time you spend in the toyota threads. Sounds like your a toyota closet case. You want one so bad you just can't get that 6'4" 320 frame of yours in it. Tell you what, lets do this, first put the donut down. Pull your self out from behind that yuppie computer. Stand up and scream, I'm a toyota lover and I can't take it any more! Next change your post name to, lets say, "dave41". Now no one will know who you are, really. Now with your new secret identity you can ask people how you could get your big--- in a tundra. We're here for you bro! Stop beating your self up! You've got to love your self, for who you are.
  • woody24woody24 Member Posts: 59
    Sorry everyone else, I got off topic a little. I couldn't not help some one from wondering astray. I'm buying a Ford soon, but I did drive the Tundra. It was impressive, but a bit too small for my needs. For it's first real attempt at a full size truck, not a bad job. Enjoy your rides, which ever you choose.
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    Back in the early to mid 80's - Chevy introduced a 350 that ran low oil pressure at idle. It was designed to do this in order to get better MPG. The extra amount of power it takes to run 45-50 pounds at idle VS 5 pounds may not sound like it would make much difference, but that is what GM was trying to do. Sounds like Toyota is taking the same approach, giving up long term engine reliability so they can squeeze 1 more MPG out of the truck. GM learned their lesson on this and changed the pressure back to over 40 at idle. I am glad my Silverado runs 50 psi oil pressure at idle.
  • woody24woody24 Member Posts: 59
    rublue, I'm the one confused. Are you 6'4" or 6'6". Back on post#38 you said you were 6'4". Now I don't know what they feed you boys down there on the farm but, 2" in 19 days at 82 years old. Thats quite a growth spurt. You should be careful. Some people may stop believing you, or they may think you havn't got a clue what you're talking about. When you're ready to come out of that closet, and be the tundra fan we all know you are, we'll be here for ya.
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    I don't think Dave40 and Rubey are the same personality.
  • f220swiftf220swift Member Posts: 103
    Hav'nt chuckled in a while. Thanks for the reblu responses. Not a Toy fan, not a Chev fan, but a fan of Chuckles!
  • cskalacskala Member Posts: 23
    I'd say Rublue2 was nabbed doin' more fibbing. His pappy musn't have taught him telling lies is fer worms, I guess that's why he tried to worm outta them lies in post 294.

    He's probable 5'7" and the closest he's been to a farm is the produce section at the piggly-wiggly ;)
  • swobigswobig Member Posts: 634
    Rube get under your skin and it's kinda funny! I've only seen a couple around here - the 4X4 sit up pretty tall and look close to a full size, but I almost mistook a 4X2 regular cab for a Tacoma. There a little small...
  • devil1devil1 Member Posts: 74
    I can hardly tell the 4x4 Tundra and 4x2 Tundra apart. Salesman tells me the 4x4 sits only 1" higher, but you can tell if you look close.

    Which makes me think.. How can the 4x2 look like a Tacoma and the 4x4 look like a full size when they are only 1" apart (This is in response to #298).

    Must be your imagination
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    Better watch out. Truckguy posted in another topic about peoples identities being revealed and false statements being checked! Oh my!

    Do you "really" know that the Chevy trucks are developing shavings from the "entire truck"????

    Wow! I better pay extra close attention from here on out. Sounds like my Chevy is about to give out on me. I guess I can just count my blessings that it didn't happen at 9k miles like the Tundra owner in the other topics.
    Wheeew. That would really suck!
  • swobigswobig Member Posts: 634
    direct side by side comparison between a 4X4 and 4X2, but would imagine there is more than 1" difference. 4X4's usually sit a little higher because of suspension, tires, etc. All I'm saying is it looked small to me...
  • tracyotracyo Member Posts: 72
    Sounds like some of you boys are letting that old rubluto get to ya, kind of shows how confident you are in your own choice of trucks. If you know you got the best truck why let anothers negitive remarks about it get to you.
  • tundrasaursrextundrasaursrex Member Posts: 49
    BUD LIGHT DUDE, RUBLUETOO, BARLITZ
    Fear the Tundra.....write disparaging remarks about it. Fear the Tundra.....Hide your FEAR in your attacks............

    ........I AM TUNDRASAURUS REX............
    .....I..AM..THE.....TRUCK.....KING ............................I CAN CRUSH ANYTHING................






    ........ride the snake........seven miles.......
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    304: What was that?
  • 2drive2drive Member Posts: 90
    Shall we all have a moment of silence for this poor soul!
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    Roc:

    Looks as if the access doors "came ajar" on his Tundra or perhaps the valvetrain turned to pulp as Rueblue states....

    gotta love them "perfect" Toyota's.
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    Maybe the "low oil pressure" took his Tundra engine down the ole' parts slinging expressway!
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    I agree with you. I'm sure that Dave40, "Truck Force One" is not Rubluetoo. Good luck on this one now!
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    Tundrasaurusrex: King Japanese lizard truck!

    Now I wonder what "true" message he was sending........LOL!
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    Makes ya wonder.........
  • tundrasaursrextundrasaursrex Member Posts: 49
    (just lying on a rock watching the ants crawl across....that sun sure feels gooooood!!)

    Like them Tundras.......Like them Fords, and Chevy's too......Don't wanna bad mouth anybody's truck, ain't right.........Hope they all run fer ever.......

    ..........so, who wants to talk trucks and leave all the bad mouthin to them perfessional althetes?

    ...'scuse me while I take down a moose........






    ......ride the snake........
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    The snake?

    Errrr..what man wants to ride a "snake"??



    LOL!!--just kiddin'
  • woody24woody24 Member Posts: 59
    Hey I think it's rublue, and he jumped out of the closet. Go easy there cowboy! I think it's worse than we all thought.
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