Tundra vs. Big 3

ferris47

I was being faciscious(sp) but is Daewoo really a bigger player, ie more advanced? I don't know just curious.

quadrunner500

Most modern, newest auto plants in the world. GM, among others, including Ford are all interested in buying, partnering, etc. Daewoo has problem with overextending themselves on big expansion gamble. Quality is supposed to really be good. Only make small cars though. (From Wall St. Journal)

ferris47

I did not know that. I had heard they made very good small cars but I didn't know they had that kind of rep.

swobig

has some interesting commercials also. Speaking of that Hyundai (sp?) has bumped up there warranty to a 10 year powertrain. Also see Volkswagen and Isuzu doing this. Wonder if the others will follow or possible go to a 5 year 60K mile bumper to bumper? Would be nice...

swobig

but do those rear doors open independent of the front doors?? Or are they like the Silverado which has to have the fronts open to open the rears. Also if the doors are locked can you open them from the inside without unlocking the doors?? Ford and Dodge have figured this out - why can't Chevy???

z71bill

Tundra front doors must be open before you can open the rear doors. Why would you want to be able to open the doors from the inside if they are locked? You must not have any kids that will be riding in your truck. If you have kids you lock the doors so they can not be opened. It would be stupid to have door locks that do not lock the doors. I am much more concerned about my kids getting out of my truck - running into traffic, opening the door when I am going down the freeway - than I am worried about someone opening the door from the outside. Is it that much trouble to push the unlock button before you try to open the door - or are you a complete lazy [non-permissible content removed]?

Rocles

ouch!

trucksrme

Good luck on this one now!

Rocles

Rube,
That truck is ready to get eaten by the Super-Duties from Ford!

bud_light_dude

Please........

trucksrme

Good luck on this one!

tp4unc

Looks like that big Chevy will be a [non-permissible content removed] to push. Best stick with that S10 for sure. God luck on this one, now.

I like that there Ford, though.

tp4unc

Make that "good" luck, now.

swobig

Hey Roc have you seen the latest numbers on truck sales?? Just curious to see if GM is catching up or surpassed Ford. Would think when the new diesel comes out that it should help also. There both good trucks, looks like GM may have finally caught up. Be interesting to see what Dodge does and if Toy will ever enter the "big" truck market...

barlitz

I read in a trucking mag that Dodge will be redesigning there trucks in the next few years while Ford will be upgrading the 5.4 to a 3 valve per cylinder 305 hp in 2002.That engine will replace the current 5.4.

dbhull

The thing I wonder about is why if they have the possibility to get that kind of hp out of an engine and still get the mpg, why do they wait to deliver it, meaning all manufacturers. Instead they give the consumer a little more each year to entice the sales. The only thing I can guess.

Its a little irritating. As soon as you buy a truck, you want to trade it the next year for the better model. Just like buying a computer, only way more money.

rooster9

Pickuptruck.com has the total '99 sales posted, as well as 2000 to-date sales. Check it out if you're interested.

quadrunner500

It's called, "incrementalism." It's what keeps you coming back for more!

cdean

truck sales: last year GM (Chevy+GMC trucks) total trailed Ford by about 17,000 units. that was helped by a very strong 4th quarter where chevrolet alone outsold all. This year-to-date, GM is ahead of Ford. the 2001 heavy duties, plus the popular silverado will probably make GM #1 this year.

bigsnag

You forget the F-150 Supercrew, which looks to be a hot commodity. That could help Ford overall numbers quite a bit.

barlitz

I agree with you there's always something new out there, as for the computer I paid close to $1800 for a 233 computer 2 years ago.I could buy the same computer now for about $300-$400 makes me sick whenever I think about it.

rcoos

I think that Ford will be displaced this year. If you compare the Chevy/GMC to the Ford, the GM product is the better truck to select!

Rocles

dbhull,
We all feel your pain! Hell, this IBM I'm typing on was 2 grand back in 97 and it has the mighty 233 mmx!! LOL!!


Swobig,
It looks as though the mighty GM may finally reach truck Nirvana this year and capture the sales crown. Abeit, it will be short-lived.
Barlitz is right, Ford will introduce a 305 rated beast with a update on the interior for 2002. I also hear through the dealer that the half-ton will get a little more rigged looking for the macho types. Probably push up the hood and square the lamps a touch.....

swobig

would be surprise if Ford holds the sales crown this year. Espically with the new diesel coming out and new 3/4 and 1 tonners. What's the torque on the 3 valve Ford?? Also, what's the MPG?? Almost bought a supercrew but 3-4 per gallon was too much to swallow. They both make excellent products and Dodge has some catching up to do. I can't believe they didn't put the 4.7L in the 2001 Ram's. Oh well, there loss. Go Badgers - final four...

bmckenzie

Swobig,
I don't think 505 ft.lbs. out of a 5.9 Cummins
Ram constitutes to much catching up to do, I know my Cummins pulls like a horse. That Isuzu diesel is a good engine, I have seen them alot overseas take some abuse. I am surprised that there is not alot more grumbles about a Japanese engine in an all american, apple pie, Chevy truck.....Bill

Rocles

Bowties and sushi.....perfect together.

swobig

be interesting to see if they stick with it or go with the Mercedes diesel. But there gas engines are a little lacking in my opinion. The 318 and 360 are tried and true, but I doubt they win over any Ford or Chevy owners with those engines. New stuff tends to generate more interest and Ford and GM engines are both newer and seem to be good. Not that it's right, it's just the way it is. I look forward to the "hemi" engine and the 4.7L - Dodge makes a good truck - I've owned several. Good luck with yours...

rwellbaum2

Took the Tundra 4 wheelin' today. Handled the uneven terrain really well. Drove up some really steep runs with the diehard jeep and land cruiser four wheeler guys. The same steep hills always caused my chevy to overheat. This Tundra is sweet!!!!

swobig

boy, how'd they come up with the Tundra?? I like the idea of the Seqoia (sp?) - it's size is just right, but the truck is a little small - just my opinion...

swobig

show the Tundra way behind even the small trucks (S-10). My question is - are these numbers better than the T-100 or about the same? Seems a little low to me...

eharri3

And wasn't much impressed with the Tundra. What i hated the most was that Toyota actually seems to expect me to pay 25000 for a truck when it seems like they took the cramped interiors from their compacts and built a bigger body around it. I need real space. Also, I did not feel that creamy smooth ride Tundra owners rant about. I felt plenty of the smaller bumps. I still prefer the F150 personally. More space, more power, lower price. And the one thing I can't stand about the Tundra is that it's damn near impossible to find a stripped model without all the gadgets and gizmos that drive profit margins up for Toyota and the dealers, and most dealers won't even try to order one, whereas I can go to any Ford dealer and see Fully optioned XLT's and Lariats as well as plenty of XL:'s and Base F150' with Cloth Seats, Manual transmissions, and V^ or small V8. The TOyota isn't spacious enough and it doesn't offer enough choices.

trucksrme

Them so called "full size" tundras be sharin all sorts of parts with them compacts, includin drivetrain parts now. Folks be catchin on too this one quick now. Good luck on this one now!

tmwilkinson1

Tundra drivetrain parts? Let's see:

Chevy powertrain warranty - 3yrs. 36000 mi.
Dodge powertrain warranty - 3yrs. 36000 mi.
Ford powertrain warranty - 3yrs. 36000 mi.

TOYOTA powertrain warranty - 5yrs. 60,000 mi.

I don't care if they make the drivetrain out of baling wire and duct tape, my money is on the Toyota drivetrain going the distance. Toyota obviously has much more confidence in their design than the big three. It is called putting your money where your mouth is.

eharri3

It's called a marketing ploy designed to foster a public perception of reliability. Hyundai has one too.

tmwilkinson1

Why would Toyota need to foster a public perception of reliability? They have a well deserved reputation for reliability. If anyone should be working on perceptions - it should be the big three.

Warranties can be very costly for any manufacturer if the design is unreliable. By having the longest standard powertrain warranty - Toyota is stating their confidence in their product quality and design. By the way - are you and trucksrme joined at the hip?

markcord

They are trying to make inroads in one of the last bastions of domestic dominance. One way to do that is to offer a longer warranty. Pretty smart move I'd say. Seems like it would attract a lot of the fence sitters who don't really know what they want (in other words, those people who buy trucks mainly for personal use). Now, do I believe that the Toyota 4.7 with that teeny tiny rear diff./axle is going to outlast my 8.0 V10 and Dana 70 combo simply because the Toy's warranty is longer? I was born at night but not last night.

trucksrme

Reckon them hyundai ones be the best ones ever based on that yuppie logic ya got. Them hyundai ones got that 10 year warranty so guessin ya be believin that:
hyundai is stating their confidence in their product quality and design.
That toy warrantie be in response to that head gasket troubles they cant seem to shake. As for lastin value, when was the last time ya heard of anyone "rebuildin" one of them fancy pants forien engines now! Them big3 can be replacin parts long after the 300k mark done rolled by. We got us a 52 Chevy still workin down here on the farm, while them toys be trow away. Facts is the facts on this one now. Good luck on this one now!

pcheng

Why does everybody keep harping on the head gasket thing? The last model it affected was 1995. That's like me saying that all Fords are fireball because there was a problem with the Ford Pinto. Can you actually beat a topic to death?

barlitz

My ex wife had a brand new hyundaI not even 100 miles had to have engine replaced, also worked for a guy who had a brand new viper same problem engine had to be replaced.I did read somewhere about a total brake failure on some of those Tundras, I would be careful and drive right over to your local chevy or ford dealer trade it in if your lucky you might get a decent trade,they can scrap your tundra and sell the steel back to Japan for nuclear warheads.

trucksrme

Heard a tell that one of them tundra engines broke quick too. Fella found a bunch of shavins of what use to be them valves now. Them forien ones seem to have the troubles with them head-gaskets and oil pressure too. Been lots of tells on that oil pressure for sure. Good luck on this one now!

swobig

Isuzu has done the same with a 10 year 120,000 limited warranty - wouldn't be surprised to see the big 3 beef up there's a little...

budlitedude3

You're wrong. My 97 Tacoma had the head gasket problem. Left me stranded at about 23k miles. A friend of mine has a 98 model. Same thing. Head gasket went out at 32k miles.

The problem isn't with the gaskets as all the Toy fans want to believe. The problem resides in the fact that Toyota designed an engine with cylinder heads that are way too small for the cylinder pressures, thus they blow the head gaskets. They would really like everyone to believe that it is a head gasket problem. They are still making the same engine, the same way, and with the same head gaskets. Get real, are you so gullible that you would believe there was a head gasket problem for over 6 years running?

The 3.0 22R engines did the same thing. Head gaskets???? Not even close.

quadrunner500

Is the most reliable vehicle you can buy. 100,000 mile powertrain warranty.

Toyotas are made from recycled Hyundais, so only last about 60,000...

arkie6

You always seem to want to impress everyone with your technical knowledge, but you goofed on the Toyota 22R engine. The 22R is the 4 banger, not the 3.0L V6. Regarding the headgasket issue, your friend's is the only '98 or newer model that I have ever heard of or read about that had a problem. And they did revise the gasket design/materials, contrary to what you stated previously. And if the headgasket issue is such a big deal due to high cylinder pressures and small seating surface area, why does Toyota provide a full factory warranty (60,000 miles) on their engines even with the TRD Supercharger installed (if by a Toyota dealer).

pcheng

Hey, take it easy!!! It was a question, not an acusation.

By the way, if the 22R engine did the same thing, then it's news to me. I've worked on, owned, re-built, installed (etc.) 22R engines since 1983. I've never had a bad head on a 22R (since they were really 2200cc). My last 22R was in my 91 Toy PU w/ 130 hard trailer pulling miles. Not one problem.

You used to actually make sense. Now you're getting a little paranoid.

trucksrme

Had a friend that lost that head-gasket on a camry 4 cyl engine with 46,000 miles on it. Dont be knowin if this one be the 22R or not. Does that factory make any other 4 cyl ones? That one sure popped but good, costin bout $780 too fix it now. Car got donated after that. Good luck on this one now!

tmwilkinson1

1. It seems that some Big3 truck owners are insecure about the fact that their trucks come with 40% less powertrain warranty.

2. Markcord - Since half ton pickups don't come with V10s - What is your point? Lets compare apples with apples. The teeny weeny differential in the Toyota is still more reliable regardless. It is a shame that the Big3 haven't learned how to design better differentials even though they may be bigger. Ford has a TSB out for noise from the front differential. Maybe the noise from the piston slap problem will drown it out. Check it out at www.F150online.com

3. The Isuzu powertrain warranty is actually 60 months, 60,000 miles. They make a pretty bulletproof powertrain - it is the same as the one used in the Acura SUV.

4. What do Hyundais have to do with the price of tea in China?

5. Quadrunner - Hyundais are made from Big3 trucks - they only have 36000 mile warranties.

6. trucksrme - Why do you accuse me of yuppie logic? I use my Toyotas on the farm and am a good ol' boy just like you. You probably are confused because I use a spell and grammar checker - otherwise my posts would sound just like yours. Billy Bob says he wants you to stay away from his sheep at night. Good luck on this one now!

trucksrme

We grow tobacco and such round these parts. As for "usin" them toys on that farm, that figures. We be "workin" them big3 ones on them farms here about. Yuppies be the "user" of things, honest folk be doin that "workin" now. Ya got the sound of that factory about ya, pullin and strechin the truth to fit ya needs now. Good luck on this one now!

markcord

We are talking TRUCKS aren't we? What's your point? I thought it was that Toyota was better since (among other perceived things) it has a better warranty. You didn't say half tons or 3/4 tons. Your comparison was of manufacturers and their trucks warranties. As for an apples to apples comparo, I'd say the V10/Dana 70 will hold up just as well hauling and pulling as the 4.7/midget diff. will after a service life of running to the store for groceries.

budlitedude3

Funny how you say the Isuzu powertrain is bulletproof, but yet the GM products are inferior.
GM and Isuzu have partnered on several vehicles.
GM also has vested interest in Honda and Subaru, two vehicles that have higher reliability ratings than Toyoya.