>>>Chevy fans answer me this one, if the Chevy is so good, why do they only have a 3 year/36,000 mile warranty on the powertrain when Toyota gives you 5 years/60,000 miles??????<<<
Izuzu gives you a 10 yr, 120,000 mile powertrain warranty. If Toyota is so good, why don't they?
>>>As for the smaller size stuff, I STILL don't know what you all are talking about. Maybe it's because my Tundra is a 4X4 (does it sit a little higher?). When I park my truck next to the trucks of my friends and relatives, it looks the same size as the F150, Dodge Ram, and GMC Sierra (read: Chevy Silverado).<<<
You're not serious? Look at them from behind. The rear windshield on Tundra is much smaller, more like a Tacoma. Not a slam, but being full size didn't used to be a matter of smoke and mirrors, but in the case of Tundra it is.
They can use them eyes or read the fact on post #290. But the fact is this, ya cant learn them yuppies nothin, even somethin as plain as the size of them little tundras now. I posted that fact, got back a crack. This be the "logic" them yuppies be usin cuz the truth be stingin em. Tundra=less truck, more buck. Good luck on this one now!
I see your illegitimate son, Quad has joined you. It appears he has the same level of brain function as you do.
I hear that Chevy is coming out with a new limited edition Shakerado. It has a bad crankshaft (requiring the replacement of the engine), defective brakes, and shakes like a paint shaker. It doesn't come with a tow hitch because as even you know - you have to have working brakes to tow something.
I hear it has a HUGE rear seat.
The Chevy executives really want you to buy this so that they can get their bonuses. (It is expensive outsourcing all of our jobs to Canada). They are really looking for people of Quad's and your intelligence to help assure their bonuses. You need to do your patriotic duty and buy these heaps.
Wont do no good tryin too learn the yuppie nothin now. Ya cant learn them that be thinkin they got the knowin on this and that. Just cant figure how them folks who be buyin them yuppie tundras be thinkin they now be "truckers" who know how too "work" them trucks. How they be thinkin them tundras be better than a real big3 truck that folks be buyin too work, not cuz they be a yuppie reachin for that fad. Have fun playin with ya trucks now yuppies, that new fad be comin along soon enough, and ya be off reachin for it too, leave them trucks too folks that work em, why ya be off chasin that next shiny one. Good luck on this one now!
These are all the same ones now: 47ironblock2 bamatundra tundrasauras rushfan2112 rwellbaum
They all be: rwellbaum2
Just 1 fella who be spreadin the smoke cuz he paided 25% more buck for 25% less truck. The truth on them tundras be stingin some folks harder that others now. Good luck on this one now!
I'm with Rushfan2112. There's no reason to do it. Or suspect others because you can't prove it. Might as well be honest. People only have your words to judge by.
By the way, I did knock on my hood. It may be plastic. I hope it is. We get lots of hail out here.
Time will tell if the paint holds up on that plastic hood. I hope it does for the sake of the cost of the damn thing. Nobody needs to pay 30K for a damn pick up (Toyota or GM). My 2 tone 90 peeled on the bottom (paint on plastic), but I'm sure GM tested enough (with its customers) to figure out a good fix. I hope GM changed the vendor for their cruise controls too. The cheap assy on the 90 crapped out (loose wire in the steering arm) at an early age. What about the cheap plastic interior in the GM 30K vehicles?? Yeah, It's bigger, but not everyone needs to haul a friggin load of tobacco to market. I still like the GM style, but a V8 that was designed for a Lexus and LandCruiser has to be winner.
trucksrnotyou, I prefer city slicker. Please include that in your outdated yuppie comments. That yuppie thing is long over. It's called educated buyer now. Please have GM remove the chip that they implanted. BTW- I happen to be on the other side of the pond. You'll be happy to know that your crop is big seller in this neck of the woods.
Ya on that other side of that pond? Reckin this too be across that ocean now. This be explainin why ya be likin them littler ones, with them road so narrow and such. Them big3 ones be too big too be fittin them roads now. As for that tobacco, yup, ya folks sure do be lovin it for sure. Ya folks do be relizin we just be sendin ya the bottom leaf now? Good luck on this one now!
I agree with you on the double identity situation.
Also, If your "plastic hood" comment in post 309 was for me, I must confess that I have no idea what you are referring to. Please explain. If it wasn't meant for me...just forget I asked.
And, Heading down to Atlanta to see Springsteen and Shania tomorrow. Any message for the Twain?
Tell her I love her and forgive her. Tell her to please return my calls. Tell her I'm not really angry anymore. Ask her why she had her number unlisted. Ask her if she liked the flowers....
About a week ago I put some Flowmasters on my Tudra Limited with chrome pipes out the back. All I can say is, "How sweet the sound!" The guys at Mieneke said it was the first Tundra they did. They were all talking about how great it sounded. I told one guy that I bet he never thought a Toyota could sound like this. He laughed and said, "No he didn't."
It has a pretty loud resonation at about 2200 rpms, but I THINK I can get use to it. Sounds real sweet and aggressive when you step on it. I have the Flowmasters 40 series, which are aggressive sounding, but the guys at the Tundra solutions web site say the 50 series is a little more tame.
So all you Tundra guys can let these instigators "ruffle your feathers", meanwhile I'll be enjoying my SWEET sounding truck. There's no need for me to defend the Tundra because it's useless here. Just post any upgrades and how you like your truck. Ignore all the other BS!!
Time will tell if the paint on the plastic GM hood holds up. Hail will wreck metal or plastic, but the sun is the real test on longevity. Take a look at your final assy plant on them GM's. That be the sticker on the doors now. Not all are made up North. I be purchasing a Tundra to feed my American neighbor now.
Good luck on this one now!
BTW- The Japanese have probably stayed away from V8's for so long because they are yearly taxed on the size of their engine. Not many V8's in the "Land of the Rising Sun".
Sir, Please include facts about quality and option advantages that the GM has over the Tundra. I am not interested about hauling 11K or bed sizes. The rear differential, standard anti-lock, and full time 4WD are the only bennys that have me still considering the GM. HEAR THAT TOYOTA!
Ya said: I am not interested about hauling 11K or bed sizes.
My advice is too quit reachin for that fad, and get ya a shiny new car. Them cars cant haul, and aint got no bed now. Folks buy trucks too work em. Things like that haul and that bed size be what is important now. Good luck on this one now!
I guess all GM,DC and Ford truck buyers be hauling 11K. Hmmmm.. I hope you be calling them folks Yuppie fad runners too. Most of the truck buyers are probably like myself. We need a truck to haul home all the damn distressed furniture our wife buys. Most of us have homes that require hauling appliances, plumbing, and miles of conduit. As far as an 8ft bed for sheetrock... I'll pay the $50 bucks and have the 40 sheets delivered. Besides, A few sheets won't break if you angle them in a 6.5ft bed (with the tailgate down). Bottom line, not everyone who purchases pickups need to haul 11K, but they do require some type of hauling vehicle and prefer something larger than the Ranger,S10 or Tacoma. Now lets be gettin back to the slammin and jawin.
I don't know what year or make your GM is, but for those with 99's... take a look at the final assy plant. At least GM improved the brakes and steering on the new ones. It only took them 10 years to listen to their customers. I still don't get the reasoning for the plastic hood. They must have purchased to much interior plastic and decided to use it for the hoods.
If ya sayin ya goin work that truck, then get ya a "full size" one. Get ya a long box on that ex Cab one for the haulin of 8 ft sheet rock and such, and quit worryin on it. If ya be needin a little one, get ya a big3 little one then. If ya be insistin on throwin away money chasin that fad, get ya a tundra now, just dont be thinkin ya got ya a "full size" workin mans truck then. That choice be yours too be makin on this one. Good luck on this one now!
I heard that the Nissan Full Size pickup won't hit the market until the 2002 model year at the soonest. The supercharged Frontiers are going to be available shortly from what I hear, sometiome in the next year. FYI
You have got to be kidding me. The hood on the 2000 GM full size is NOT steel! It is most likely fiberglass or some composite form, but it is not steel. Hey, maybe you got a leftover 99 steel hood. Wouldn't surprise me none. I just looked at another 2000 GM and the dang hood is actually a shade off from the front end, and it sure doesn't sound like metal when I tap it.
TRUCKSRME, I think you got a dang yuppie driving one of them 2000 GM's. He's not learnin too well by thinking them GM's have steel hoods now. Call the boys out on this one.
Open the hood and you'll see. Edge is formed, not molded. Or put a magnet to it. It sticks. Does sound like plastic when you knock though, probably because it has an insulated inner panel.
Bad enough them yuppies getin duped on that size of them limited ones, now they be gettin tricked on them hoods too! Franklins Silverado hood be that steal for sure. It sure dont take much wool too cover them yuppies eyes now. Good luck on this one now!
Still embarassed about the turning radius? Why don't you take it like a man and admit that you were wrong?
Man, you are hell on those yuppies! Keep it up. The world needs to know how EVIL those yuppies are. I'm glad that neither of us are yuppies! We are just good ol' boys.
I got these facts from the May '00 issue of Motor Trend. They did a comparison of "full size" pickups. They rated the biggest, baddest Chevy Silverado 1500 with the 5.3 L V8 and the 4.1 gears (which by the way is only rated to tow 8000lbs). They also rated the biggest F150 with the 5.4L V8 and the Dodge 1500 with 5.9L against the Tundra Access Cab V8.
You would think that this would be a mismatch. The Silverado does have that barcolounger rear seat. The Big3 engines are much bigger.
Here is the conclusion of the Motor Trend article:
"And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of overall performance and sophistication - on road and off - we have to say Tundra."
This seems pretty unambiguous doesn't it? They made no mention of the Tundra being anything other than full size. You can call the Tundra "mid-size" if you want. The fact is: your "full-size" pickups have just been beat.
Hey, some of us would rather pull a boat then a plow. We might bring furniture home in the bed, not a still. As long as we don't live on a farm, I guess we're yuppies. I'll tell you one thing though, we'll be getting lots more miles with a lot fewer problems out of our Tundras than you will be with your Silverados, Rams, and F-150's. So, go ahead and pull the plow and marry your sister, I'll be happy being a yuppie and owning a nice, reliable truck.
Reckin some folk rather pay more buck for less truck too. They be them ones who be buyin them tundras now. Aint nothin wrong with folks buyin them tundras now, they just aint built for the workin man who be needin one that be full size and have the haul now. If ya be chasin the fad, or needin one with that shine, then them limited ones be just fine now. Good luck on this one now!
We live on a farm also, but when we need work done, we turn to the old beater truck. My parents have an old truck to do the work, and are leasing a '98 Chevy K1500 for transportation and grocery getting. Only work it ever does is pulling a trailer with 4 fourwheelers around, and once or twice a year a trailer with a tractor on it to bring to the tractor pulls. All the other times it's used the same way their car is: a people hauler. When we get a load of firewood, the old truck does the hauling. When we haul a load of scrap to the junkyard, the old truck does the hauling. Get my point? Most people don't want to scratch the hell out of something they paid $30,000 for. Buy a beater and use that!
I got these facts from the May '00 issue of Motor Trend. They did a comparison of "full size" pickups. They rated the biggest, baddest Chevy Silverado 1500 with the 5.3 L V8 and the 4.1 gears (which by the way is only rated to tow 8000lbs). They also rated the biggest F150 with the 5.4L V8 and the Dodge 1500 with 5.9L against the Tundra Access Cab V8.
You would think that this would be a mismatch. The Silverado does have that barcolounger rear seat. The Big3 engines are much bigger.
Here is the conclusion of the Motor Trend article:
"And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of overall performance and sophistication - on road and off - we have to say Tundra."
This seems pretty unambiguous doesn't it? They made no mention of the Tundra being anything other than full size. You can call the Tundra "mid-size" if you want. The fact is: your "full-size" pickups have just been beat.
Is it true? An SUV on the Tundra frame? Does anyone have any information on such a beast. I must know before i go and buy to new sporty Tahoe. I've had Toyota's for years but i need the cargo room and can afford a LandCrusier and don't want to look like a rich guy. Is it really coming out soon?
Should be bigger then the Tahoe and a tiny bit smaller then the Expedition, I believe. It will suppossedly cost less then the LC but a bit more then the ForeRunners. The problem is that as we all know new vehicles, especially trucks imported or domestic are hot items. Combine that with the fact that most Toyota dealers are difficult to deal with to say the least, No offense to Cliffy and the thousands of good salespeople and dealerships out there, and the Sequoias are going to be quite pricy to start. I would expect markups for the first couple months and probably MSRP and not much less for a year or so.
Now for the good news. Based on my exp. with my Tundra, were I to have the cash I would pick one up in a heartbeat for my fiance who really wants an SUV. I think it will be a good truck.
All in all I think I have to say I like the Expedition over the NEW Tahoes. I really liked the old Tahoes but the new Chevy truck line has me a little scared about reliability. I say this because of actual exp. of friends and people I know not just because of some magazine. I do like the looks and I really like the trucks overall I just think GM has really let their quality control go downhill.
Good luck with whatever you get. Chances are if you take your time and test drive the hell out of it, you will get a good one.
I just be needin' a truck that will make it a couple of hundred thousand miles without having to be entirely rebuilt. That's why I want the Toyota. I figure that into the cost of the truck as well, so the Toyota may be less truck in terms of size, but I think that you get more for your buck, because you will spend less bucks on it when you own it!!!! Good luck on this one now!
If ya lookin for one that aint never goin get that rebuild, then that tundra be the right one now. Unlike them big3 ones, which can go about 300,000 between them overhauls, them tundras cant never be overhauled. After about 150,000, ya can let that tundra rust in piece now. Never heard of no folks rebuildin them forein ones now. They be disposable, like most things them yuppies be reachin for. Good luck on this one now!
Them sequoia ones aint no "full size" SUV now. They be the size of them Explorers and such. They be build on them tundras little frame now, and that be the fact on them ones. Good luck on this one now!
Let's see what Edmund's says about them Big 3 trucks. GMC 1500 Sierra Extended Cab -- Spotty interior fit-and-finish concerns, premium brand carries a premium price. . But because GMC is set on segmenting itself as the premium truck division that caters to upscale truck buyers, prepare yourself for price creep to start forcing less-affluent young cowboy types to shop elsewhere Chevy Silverado 1500 -- Cheap interior materials, sketchy build quality. Inside, Silverado buyers will find logically laid out switchgear, though the plastics feel like they're sourced from the same supplier contracted by Fisher Price. Ford F-150 -- Interior ergonomics, deficits in engine power and rear-seat passenger room. Granted, those are only the negatives, but that seems to me like all you stress when you are talking about Tundras, so I thought I would do the same. All trucks have their strong points adn weaknesses, just don't expect us to buy that the American trucks don't have any shortcomings, because they do...... Good luck on this one now.
Ya mixin me with some other one if ya be thinkin I said them big3 ones was perfect. They be what they be, a "full size" truck too work. Them folks buy them big3 ones for workin em, they aint too concerned with that "shine" on em now. Folks work them big3 ones for 250k-300k miles, then rebuild em, and work em some more. We still workin a 52 down here on the farm. Try rebuildin one of them forien ones now! Good luck on this one now!
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Izuzu gives you a 10 yr, 120,000 mile powertrain warranty. If Toyota is so good, why don't they?
You're not serious? Look at them from behind. The rear windshield on Tundra is much smaller, more like a Tacoma. Not a slam, but being full size didn't used to be a matter of smoke and mirrors, but in the case of Tundra it is.
I hear that Chevy is coming out with a new limited edition Shakerado. It has a bad crankshaft (requiring the replacement of the engine), defective brakes, and shakes like a paint shaker. It doesn't come with a tow hitch because as even you know - you have to have working brakes to tow something.
I hear it has a HUGE rear seat.
The Chevy executives really want you to buy this so that they can get their bonuses. (It is expensive outsourcing all of our jobs to Canada). They are really looking for people of Quad's and your intelligence to help assure their bonuses. You need to do your patriotic duty and buy these heaps.
Good luck on this one now.
BTW- owned a 90 GM w/350. Strong motor, but too bad the valve seals went bad at 40K. Good thing I didn't work it!!
47ironblock2
bamatundra
tundrasauras
rushfan2112
rwellbaum
They all be:
rwellbaum2
Just 1 fella who be spreadin the smoke cuz he paided 25% more buck for 25% less truck. The truth on them tundras be stingin some folks harder that others now. Good luck on this one now!
Nice try though.
(Sheesh! And it's the yuppies that "can't be learnin' nothin"???)
By the way, I did knock on my hood. It may be plastic. I hope it is. We get lots of hail out here.
trucksrnotyou, I prefer city slicker. Please include that in your outdated yuppie comments. That yuppie thing is long over. It's called educated buyer now. Please have GM remove the chip that they implanted. BTW- I happen to be on the other side of the pond. You'll be happy to know that your crop is big seller in this neck of the woods.
Also,
If your "plastic hood" comment in post 309 was for me, I must confess that I have no idea what you are referring to. Please explain. If it wasn't meant for me...just forget I asked.
And,
Heading down to Atlanta to see Springsteen and Shania tomorrow. Any message for the Twain?
folks do be relizin we just be sendin ya the bottom leaf now?<<<
(LOL!)
It has a pretty loud resonation at about 2200 rpms, but I THINK I can get use to it. Sounds real sweet and aggressive when you step on it. I have the Flowmasters 40 series, which are aggressive sounding, but the guys at the Tundra solutions web site say the 50 series is a little more tame.
So all you Tundra guys can let these instigators "ruffle your feathers", meanwhile I'll be enjoying my SWEET sounding truck. There's no need for me to defend the Tundra because it's useless here. Just post any upgrades and how you like your truck. Ignore all the other BS!!
Good luck on this one now!
BTW- The Japanese have probably stayed away from V8's for so long because they are yearly taxed on the size of their engine. Not many V8's in the "Land of the Rising Sun".
Don't get country on this city slicker now.
I am not interested about hauling 11K or bed sizes.
My advice is too quit reachin for that fad, and get ya a shiny new car. Them cars cant haul, and aint got no bed now. Folks buy trucks too work em. Things like that haul and that bed size be what is important now. Good luck on this one now!
I don't know what year or make your GM is, but for those with 99's... take a look at the final assy plant. At least GM improved the brakes and steering on the new ones. It only took them 10 years to listen to their customers. I still don't get the reasoning for the plastic hood. They must have purchased to much interior plastic and decided to use it for the hoods.
TRUCKSRME, I think you got a dang yuppie driving one of them 2000 GM's. He's not learnin too well by thinking them GM's have steel hoods now. Call the boys out on this one.
I feel your pain...(LOL!)
Man, you are hell on those yuppies! Keep it up. The world needs to know how EVIL those yuppies are. I'm glad that neither of us are yuppies! We are just good ol' boys.
You would think that this would be a mismatch. The Silverado does have that barcolounger rear seat. The Big3 engines are much bigger.
Here is the conclusion of the Motor Trend article:
"And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of overall performance and sophistication - on road and off - we have to say Tundra."
This seems pretty unambiguous doesn't it? They made no mention of the Tundra being anything other than full size. You can call the Tundra "mid-size" if you want. The fact is: your "full-size" pickups have just been beat.
plow. We might bring furniture home in the bed,
not a still. As long as we don't live on a farm, I
guess we're yuppies. I'll tell you one thing
though, we'll be getting lots more miles with a lot
fewer problems out of our Tundras than you will be
with your Silverados, Rams, and F-150's. So, go
ahead and pull the plow and marry your sister, I'll be happy being a yuppie and owning a nice,
reliable truck.
We live on a farm also, but when we need work done, we turn to the old beater truck. My parents have an old truck to do the work, and are leasing a '98 Chevy K1500 for transportation and grocery getting. Only work it ever does is pulling a trailer with 4 fourwheelers around, and once or twice a year a trailer with a tractor on it to bring to the tractor pulls. All the other times it's used the same way their car is: a people hauler. When we get a load of firewood, the old truck does the hauling. When we haul a load of scrap to the junkyard, the old truck does the hauling. Get my point? Most people don't want to scratch the hell out of something they paid $30,000 for. Buy a beater and use that!
I got these facts from the May '00 issue of Motor
Trend. They did a comparison of "full size"
pickups. They rated the biggest, baddest Chevy
Silverado 1500 with the 5.3 L V8 and the 4.1 gears
(which by the way is only rated to tow 8000lbs).
They also rated the biggest F150 with the 5.4L V8
and the Dodge 1500 with 5.9L against the Tundra
Access Cab V8.
You would think that this would be a mismatch.
The Silverado does have that barcolounger rear
seat. The Big3 engines are much bigger.
Here is the conclusion of the Motor Trend article:
"And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of
overall performance and sophistication - on road
and off - we have to say Tundra."
This seems pretty unambiguous doesn't it? They
made no mention of the Tundra being anything other
than full size. You can call the Tundra
"mid-size" if you want. The fact is: your
"full-size" pickups have just been beat.
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Now for the good news. Based on my exp. with my Tundra, were I to have the cash I would pick one up in a heartbeat for my fiance who really wants an SUV. I think it will be a good truck.
All in all I think I have to say I like the Expedition over the NEW Tahoes. I really liked the old Tahoes but the new Chevy truck line has me a little scared about reliability. I say this because of actual exp. of friends and people I know not just because of some magazine. I do like the looks and I really like the trucks overall I just think GM has really let their quality control go downhill.
Good luck with whatever you get. Chances are if you take your time and test drive the hell out of it, you will get a good one.