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I'd worry more about how well a car was painted and if it had 'orange peel'..under that clear coat than I would about if it was sealed or not... I'm sure you know what it is.. a wavy ugly crackly looking paint job especially looking down the side of the car... put on a decent coat or two of NuFinish for $4.95 a bottle from Wally World and the paint is a-ok for a long long while..
if a dealer says he can't deliver the car without it or that 'it's already done and on it'..... bye bye.. get another sucker to pay for it.. used to be they did the 'undercaoating thingy'... then people caught on since the factory has basically been undercoating for a very long time.. more ADP..
and that's why dealers and car salesman get a bad rep...for using crapola tactics like that..
You don't know you've been suckered until your blood pressure returns to normal...
Gotta say I've got a terrific dealer with a great service department that didn't blow me off when the problem (early-on) was hard to duplicate.
Many times, when you find problems, it doesn't hurt to do an investigation for a TSB number. Google works if your good at describing the problem. Also, these forums are a good resourse too.
Why? When you visit your dealer, and you can give them a TSB reference, they aren't guessing about what needs to be done. The service techs don't always have the time to stay up to date on all the issues out there, and sometimes the descriptions of problems don't match up to TSB's when they do look for problems in the computer.
Dave
I also remember another post earlier where someone else was having this problem.
Supposedly, GM is aware of this...But was wondering if any fix was in place yet for this problem?
Another observation I made while there. A loaded SLT 4WD was $52,xxx and the Denali without nav was $50,xxx.
I picked up my '07 Escalade March 1, but have mixed Regular in it without hearing any pinging. The Owner's Manual says that the Premium is "recommended", but will tolerate Regular based on the computer's knock sensing system.
It $3.10 a gal for Premium here in Lake Tahoe.
As for the NAV, it is a "must have" goodie, especially with the backup camera.
Dave
Agree on the nav (have one in 2 cars now)and the back up camera.
I've noticed that when flipped up, and putting them back, it does require that the seat be firmly reset before the back-rests go up. However, over the last month, it's been getting more "broke-in". I'm thinking its just a matter of being new.
Dave
Thanks for anyones inside info. Esp. Sales pro's*
1) Misfitting for plastic piece that fits between the windshield and dash;
2) Rattle above the driver's head;
3) XM radio kits off, displays "Not Available" on radio, and then changes to standard FM radio channel;
4) Plastic "L" channel around the two back doors coming loose;
5) Engine has vibration or is making "growling" sound in 4 cyclinder mode;
6) Air escapes from around the two rear doors and around the rear seal on the rear window when fan and aux fan is on max or when I use the remote start.
While giving the dealer service guy my laundry list, he stated there is a service bulletin recall to update the HVAC computer control chip. (First I heard of that) They did not mention it last week when I had an oil change, so it must be new. Here is a list of what they did to the tahoe or what they told me. The list will be in the same order as my complaints.
1) They removed the plastic dash peice and refit it;
2) Headliner was improperly installed in the factory, they had to fix the insulation and reinstall it;
3) On going radio problem, GM is working on a firmware fix and will send out a service bulletin when they fix it;
4) Glued the top pieces back on, cross my fingers and hope that works LOL;
5) GM bulletin states that noise/vibration is normal and is to be expected. When the engine goes from 8 to 4 cylinders or vice versa, the harmonics change thus causing the vibration/growl noise. GM has no plans to fix it, basically told me to live with it;
6) Check it and stated that air escaping is normal due to overpressure in the interior of vehicle. According to dealership, all 12-14 other Tahoes on their lot do the same thing so it must be okay, I am going to revisit this at a later date, not happy with their answer.
No clue what the HVAC computer change did, but GM said to do it, so they did.
P.S. Before anyone asked my radio is a non-nav, Boses speaker, 6 disc changers with XM.
FYI: just had the HVAC computer recall completed last week. Dealer said the fix was needed because if the outside airtemp was at or below 32 degrees, the airconditioner/defrost wasn't allowed to start. After the reprogramming - now the A/C is allowed to work.
One of the things that I need to discuss is the Nav/Bose/Rear DVD system I have been told that it has the Bose Center Point Surround Sound and Digital Signal Processing but I have not been able to access it. I know how to access it but it's not there.I'm running out of people to call or ask.Any help would be appreciated.
Also when the transmission is in 4th gear and the torque converter clutch is engauged I feel a harsh vibration when the engine goes thru the rpm of 1200 to 1400. Speed does'nt matter its only in that rpm range.
I love driving it,think it's an exceptional veh
Thanks
Not to worry ... My 2000 Tahoe that I recently traded for the '07' Tahoe had NO significant corrosion or rusting problems! ... That included some time spent in the Snow & Salt of upstate NY.
Unless you're trying to get 400k miles out of the thing, the difference is likely so small you'll never know. IF you're planning to keep it a very long time, 3k miles is a good conservative number for the first change. If the filter plugs with wear metals in that short of period, buy the extended warranty because oil changes are the least of your worries.
From my post #659 -- (very carefuly take the first oil filter apart and look at filter element and in the bottom of the filter can ... you will be amazed at the AMOUNT of metal & stuff that you can see ... just imagine what you can't see and it's in YOUR engine too!)--
... Over the years I have cut open & check the used filters .. from the FIRST oil change of many engines,..(GM,F,DCX,& foreign).. Everyone had excessive amounts of STUFF! .. IMHO.. Nothing good for long engine life & performance!
Steve, Host
If your filter is PLUGGED in 3k miles because of wear metals, buy the extended warranty. The engine might make it past GM's 36k mile warranty, but probably not 100k.
We've had several GM trucks in our work fleet go close to 200k miles before we tossed them and the engines were fine with using the GM oil monitoring system. There's a lot of other things to worry about...but the engines aren't one of them.
In 2003 I bought a 2003 Explorer for my wife out of town in Charlotte, NC (to get a unit with the Ford safety canopy). The deal was a straight sale and the exact price and interest rate had been agreed to over the phone in advance. After a lot of b/s about football, etc. the finance guy rolled out his bag of tricks. I finally had to tell him to shut up and gave him a deadline of 15 minutes to have everything completed or we were out the door. That got his attention and no more sales pitch on all the extra stuff. Said he would get fired. Ha!
My brother who is a couple years older and has owned auto parts stores for 30-40 says the above is due to the quality of modern automotive oils and increased quality of pistons, etc. Also obviously better manufacturing quality control, tolerances, etc. He says even the most basic mineral 10W-30 oil now is far superior to oils from the 50s and 60s. He often cites his 80s model Delta 88 V-8 with 93,000 miles that was torn down to retrieve some part that had been accidently dropped into the engine--the factory hone marks could still be seen on the cylinder walls after 93,000!
The biggest problem I have had with the first oil changes on 4.6L and 5.4L Ford engines is getting the gray Ford OEM filter off. In one case after breaking my favorite Ford filter wrench at home, I went to a Valvoline quick change and they couldn't move it either. Finally after 45 minutes or so and the manager crawling down in the pit to help, the guys got the OEM filter off. The Ford engine factory must put the OEM filter on by robot, impact wrench of something?
While I was waiting on the corner I see a new black Tahoe LTZ go by, then another, then another.... about 50 of them in a line down the center of 8th Ave. ALl Black, all in the center lane parading as far as the eye can see
I believe today is the preview day for the New York Auto Show only a few blocks away
On a separate note, I was invited to preview the new Yukon at my dealer in NJ tonite. I'll let you know if I go
Rich
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-- Again from my post #659 (very carefully take the first oil filter apart and look at filter element and in the bottom of the filter can ... you will be amazed at the AMOUNT of metal & stuff that you can see ... just imagine what you can't see and it's in YOUR engine too!)
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Have anyone cut open the FIRST filter from there new engine and inspected the oil & filter media? .. Do you think all that debris in the oil is good for your engine? ..
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If UNSEEN metal & contaminants were in a brand of NEW oil would you buy & use it?? .. I know I would NOT!! .. That is why it's so important (IMHO) to do low mileage inital oil change!
I picked it up early this afternoon. Our salesman was great. He spent almost two hours showing me everything. I have only put 32 miles on it, but I think I am in love. I stopped by my father's house, my sister's home, and Mother's to show it off. They all think it is beautiful. Of course, since I am so proud of it, they wouldn't have said anything contrary. You gotta love family!