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Toyota on the mend?

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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    More UA revenge? ;)

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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Transporter takes a pre-emptive strike on a 4Runner:

    http://transportfool.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/not-enough-speed.jpg

    Too big so click-for-pic.

    And how'd this happen?

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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    http://laist.com/attachments/la_andy/accident3.jpg

    ;)
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    gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    That Toyota truck looks pretty good after pushing that BMW into that post. :shades:
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    in a Dodge?

    http://www.viceland.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/funny-car-pictures-23.jpg

    and in this van (pic is hilarious):

    http://www.coolfunpics.com/slides/Fat_Duck_Surprise.jpg

    Honda says "me too!":

    http://www.funmix.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/13486.jpg

    I think this was a Fiat....

    http://static.pyzam.com/img/funnypics/misc/strange-car-crash.jpg

    Exotics have UA as well:

    http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/exotics2009nov16/1veyron_20091112_001.jp- g

    Firefighters put this Corolla on its side to inspect the brakes (LOL):

    http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8616/200809caraccld4.jpg

    Then the fire truck itself experiences UA:

    http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3459/200910sinkhole.jpg

    Tahoe busts through a house:

    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2339/2101153257_6e5c292b6e.jpg

    Not to be outdone in the Ford vs. Chevy rivalry, Ford punches back:

    http://www.ihasafunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/car-crashes-into-house-roof- FAIL-1.jpg

    You'll flip for this Acura:

    http://www.freefunnypixs.com/images/media/7/funny-car-ad.jpg

    Fiat Palio (I see a pattern here, 2nd Fiat! It's an epidemic!):

    http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200905/wrecked-exotics-weir_460x0w.jpg

    Cobalt?

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IX8poG1JX9c/SYx1Dmx7jEI/AAAAAAAAAMM/mTOzvQquJqo/s400/c- ar_accident_funny.jpg

    Another cop:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_IX8poG1JX9c/SfbMTyoGn6I/AAAAAAAAAX4/BfQMc0bqxzk/s400/p- olice_car_crash_house.jpg

    And another cop car (maybe the CHP who believes Sikes?):

    http://static.123teachme.com/cms_images/funny/cop-car-crash.jpg

    I know the Mondeo was supposed to be a world car, but this is getting ridiculous:

    http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a343/brealistic/oooops1.jpg

    Blazer UA to the top of a Camaro:

    http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a343/brealistic/YEEHAH.jpg

    VW/Audi still not in the clear?

    http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=8808,filename=504x_sweet- _jump_passat_jalopnik_0000_Layer_2.jpg

    You blame the guy in the back, right? Honda.

    http://www.vrag.ru/images/news_pic/strange_car_crash.jpg
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    larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    WOW - that took a lot of work...
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Buick? I think.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_L7tKy9kqiCQ/RpolrBa8nAI/AAAAAAAAARc/hFSs7xbEBd0/s400/c- arcrash.jpg

    Focus on the road, not on texting:

    http://englishrussia.com/images/strange_crash/1.jpg

    Another cop:

    http://funnydb.com/big_351219201724.jpg

    This cop goes "undercover":

    http://www.strangevehicles.com/images/content/116759.jpg

    :D

    Did the Porsche cause this?

    http://www.tensionnot.com/pictures/images/Car/Weird-Accident.jpg

    GM owned Saab, but this Saab POWNED this Opel:

    http://media.damnfunnypictures.com/photos/weird_accidentz_009.jpg

    This Civic wanted to catch a boat ride (classic):

    http://www.uitlaadklep.nl/images/car-crashes-into-boat-weird-crash-pictures.jpg

    Not sure how this happened:

    http://microsites.virgin.net/images/Weird-car-crash-19-431x300.jpg

    Another exotic UA?

    http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2009/2/81%20Weird%20Car%20Accident.jpg

    Car was eager to take the subway?

    http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORIAL/editorial_images/non_imported/russian_subw- ay_crash(1).jpg

    Buses want in on it, too:

    http://media.damnfunnypictures.com/photos/weird_accidentz_023.jpg

    Fiat Uno in Brazil

    http://www.uhull.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/carro2.jpg

    Isn't that the 3rd Fiat? Beware, these are future Chryslers! :D

    More bus UA:

    http://media.damnfunnypictures.com/photos/weird_accidentz_021.jpg

    Another bus. Forget what I said earlier about wanting to take the bus!

    http://media.damnfunnypictures.com/photos/weird_accidentz_019.jpg

    Trans Am with low clearance:

    http://media.damnfunnypictures.com/photos/weird_accidentz_037.jpg

    UA goes for a swim:

    http://media.damnfunnypictures.com/photos/weird_accidentz_043.jpg

    Grand Cherokee powns Corvette:

    http://media.damnfunnypictures.com/photos/weird_accidentz_036.jpg

    Did that Tundra push this Bimmer over the edge, as well?

    http://media.damnfunnypictures.com/photos/weird_accidentz_013.jpg

    Accelerator position: Infiniti!

    http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2009/8/76%20Nice%20Park%20Job.jpg

    Another Ford pickup. This one ruins a Ferrari. Another pattern? ;)

    http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2006/10/19/168416_7c8c7c6e-4c35-477b-85ac-ae2- 05a80fff7_prod.jpg

    More bus UA:

    http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2007/12/424135_cd622ecc-4f02-4dd2-99e6-8c5406- 3246a1_prod.jpg

    Mercedes wants in on the action:

    http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2009/5/727809_24ba26c6-cbf8-455a-804c-092f153- 7c042_prod.jpg

    Another J-car (pattern?):

    http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2007/5/6/288525_9d3c698e-b821-4f49-9480-37c75- fe8a046_prod.jpg

    FORB? Found on road - bike?

    http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/content/images/bbpics/pic1494.jpg

    There are tons more. People make dumb mistakes all the time. Hopefully the investigators can find something wrong.
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    WOW - that took a lot of work...

    It was worth it. :D
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    anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    edited April 2010
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    Cadillac Escalade owned by a couple of gang kids (huge surprise) according to the news. This was taken last summer in Boston on my phone.
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    windy025windy025 Member Posts: 6
    www.toyotacrashes.com didn't seem to find a fordcrashes.com or gmcrashes.com or hondacrashes.com...just saying...
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    imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,161
    >www.toyotacrashes.com didn't seem to find a fordcrashes.com or gmcrashes.com or hondacrashes.com...

    Websites go to what is happening the most! :P

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

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    gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    edited April 2010
    You live in a rough neighborhood. I don't think there was a good balance of brands in all those pics. NOT enough Toyotas. :blush:

    I tried calling 911 when my Toyota took off and would not stop. But the lines were busy with all the other Runaway Toyotas.

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    nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    Tundra - built Toyota tough! :-P

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

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    gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    The Smart car he hit drove off without much damage. :shades:
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    anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    I only posted the one ;)
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    gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I realized that after I posted. I was just poking at our friend that went to all the trouble to entertain us with those crazy wrecks. :)
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Websites go to what is happening the most!

    :D

    Dunno, though, lots of Fiats and Ford cop cars.

    I have more if you guys want 'em.
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    andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,729
    I know a lot of people personally. I know a lot of people that personally own Toyotas. I don't know of ANYONE that's ever had a problem with any of their Toyotas.

    So statistically, it seems the chances of getting a bad Toyota are lower than getting hit by lightning.
    '15 Audi Misano Red Pearl S4, '16 Audi TTS Daytona Gray Pearl, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
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    beachfish2beachfish2 Member Posts: 177
    "I don't know of ANYONE that's ever had a problem with any of their Toyotas."

    All mine...

    New '87 Camry LE had a leaking water pump - warranty replacement.

    '92 Camry LE had a defective motor mount - I think I had to pay for that one.

    '06 Avalon XLS had a sticky door on the NAV controls - they replaced the clip. Oh, and the oil hose thingy recall.

    '10 Highlander Limited - nothing yet, but it was made in Japan.

    Oh....you meant real problems. :) Like the body rusting out my first new car, a 1974 Datsun B210. My '67 and '70 Chevelles were perfect and they were used.
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    gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    it seems the chances of getting a bad Toyota are lower than getting hit by lightning.

    Well, Strike me Thrice. :P

    1964 Toyota Land Cruiser, 3 timing gears and two valve jobs before it hit 25k miles.
    1994 Toyota PU Truck, Clutch at 11k miles not covered by warranty. Timing belt 63k miles on me. Engine blew up at 107k miles. (some blame lies with my son) Kids know nothing about vehicles.
    2007 Sequoia bad lift gate hydraulics, I live with them. NAV quit at 20k miles under Platinum Warranty. A person would be crazy to own a Toyota without an extended warranty.
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think he meant UA problem, not just any problem.

    The multiple repeat purchases by you and gagrice show they were good enough to earn your loyalty. :P
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    delthekingdeltheking Member Posts: 1,152
    Ateix, You know some folks just like to bash a company and then go ahead and buy the same company`s product !! :P

    Happens more than you think in real life.I know a lot of my friends like to talk about about how Fords have improved a lot and so on-- but when the time comes to vote with their wallet--guess what-It`s always a Hon/Toyo !! :shades:
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    andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,729
    For the purposes of discussion, I thnk we should exclude ancient history and therefore conveniently exclude model year vehicles 1994 and older.

    This conveniently keeps ancient history out of the discussion, but still allows me to bash Chrysler and Dodge for the 1995 POS they sold me. :lemon: :lemon: :lemon:

    I'm starting a business right NOW this minute. Show me an extended warranty contract for ANY TOYOTA from any legitimate business, and I'll match it and reduce your cost by $5!. No catches, no strings, you save $5 with me over anyone else, and I'll match there terms and conditions word for word at less cost. My business is open starting today! I'm going to be a millionaire soon.
    '15 Audi Misano Red Pearl S4, '16 Audi TTS Daytona Gray Pearl, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
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    gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Show me an extended warranty contract for ANY TOYOTA from any legitimate business, and I'll match it and reduce your cost by $5!. No catches, no strings

    You are late to the scam. Many a poor soul have found out the hard way that extended warranties are not always good when you need them. Just because a dealer sells it does not mean 5 years later the company that is on the contract will still be in business. So when I buy it has to be from the auto company that built the vehicle. In this case I got the 7 year Platinum $0 deductible from Toyota for $1300. If the NAV had gone out a few months later I would be out more than that.

    PS
    My Dodge a 1974 Van went 9 years and 107k miles without any problems.
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    andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,729
    You trust the BANK OF TOYOTA more than the BANK of ANDRES?

    I'll tell you the BANK of ANDRES never closes! :P Never needs bailouts either.

    You must really be a Toyota fanboy who pretends to be a hater ;) :P If you think their credit is better than mine. ; :) :shades:
    '15 Audi Misano Red Pearl S4, '16 Audi TTS Daytona Gray Pearl, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
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    obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    My Dodge a 1974 Van went 9 years and 107k miles without any problems

    No comparison. They didn't have NAV back then. Though it was as ugly as a Tundra. :P
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    gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    It was very simple with a 318 V8 and auto Transmission. I had to order it from a dealer in Seattle because the Anchorage Dodge dealer said I did not need Air Conditioning in AK and would not order one that way. Only two options was a 46 gallon tank and AC. That was a great van.

    PS
    Did not need NAV. Made several trips from AK to MN to NM and never got lost. AAA maps are superior to Toyota NAV units. And a lot cheaper.
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    fezofezo Member Posts: 10,384
    Yeah, but they don't look as cool...
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
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    gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    If my Toyota NAV was half as good as it looks, I would be thrilled with it. You just cannot trust the routing at all.
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    mnfmnf Member Posts: 405
    Oh yea your so right and those same people say buy USA but shop at Walmart and support China give me a break !!!
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    anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    edited April 2010
    Good lord, the 318 was pretty much indestructable wasn't it? My parents had a Duster with on and my dad still claims it was one of the best cars he ever owned. I've seen pictures of the brown beast, parked next to the green with black strips, 340? and a stick shift one that they also had.

    2 Dusters in one family man!

    Nowadays it would be tough to find a family with a mopar other than a minivan or the random Grand Cherokee... A family with a pair (or more) Toyota products in the driveway is the new common sight.
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    lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    You picked a great year for the Chevelle! The 1970 model was my favorite. Heck, all those 1968-72 GM A-bodies were awesome. I had a 1968 Buick Special Deluxe myself!
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    lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    I recall a time I was foolish enough to buy an extended warranty. Six months later, I got a letter from a bankruptcy lawyer claiming the company's assets as something like $60K and a Mazda 626 sedan. Wonder what my share would've been? I guess I could've bought that pack of Juicy Fruit gum I was eyeing up. Fortunately, I never needed the warranty!
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    lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Those Dodge vans had legendary reliability. My uncle bought a new 1977 Dodge van that went 170K trouble-free miles until he sold it sometime in the late 1980s.
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    lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Heck, in the early 1990s, my family had a lot of Mopar products. My Dad had a 1989 Chrysler LeBaron, my sister had a 1987 Chrysler LeBaron, and I had a 1985 Chrysler Fifth Avenue.
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    imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,161
    >bankruptcy lawyer claiming the company's assets as something like $60K and a Mazda 626

    I can guarantee you that your share was much, much smaller than the bankruptcy lawyer's share. :P

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

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    jam1000jam1000 Member Posts: 182
    A fun diversion and trip down memory lane talking about all those old non-Toyota cars. But, on the question of Toyota on the mend in 2010, another bit of unfortunate news for the carmaker -- 2nd ESC-related recall in a week, as reported in today's WSJ. I thought the comment about half the affected vehicles already being fixed through prior TSBs was interesting, suggesting the exceedingly fine line between TSBs and recalls.

    Toyota Recalls Sequoia SUVs

    By KATE LINEBAUGH

    Toyota Motor Corp. announced a recall Wednesday of 50,000 2003 Toyota Sequoia sport-utility vehicles over issues with their electronic stability-control system, the latest in a string of recalls by the Japanese car maker.

    Last week, Toyota recalled 9,400 2010 Lexus GX 460 SUVs for a different problem with electronic stability control after Consumer Reports magazine called the vehicles unsafe, saying they posed the potential of flipping over in certain situations. The auto maker said the stability-control system was slow to activate in high-speed turns.

    Electronic stability-control systems, which use computers to modulate the brakes and sometimes the throttle, help vehicles maintain traction in a turn.

    In the latest recall, Toyota said the electronic stability-control system in the Sequoias may not activate as quickly as a driver expects at low speeds. Toyota said there have been no reported injuries or accidents.

    Under the recall, Toyota will replace the engine-control computer to correct the problem, which was identified in 2003 among the first batch of the vehicles produced that year.

    Toyota subsequently fixed the problem on newly built vehicles with a production change in 2003 and published a technical service bulletin in the fall of that year for dealers to address the issue.

    "Toyota is committed to investigating customer complaints more aggressively and to responding quickly to issues we identify in our vehicles," said Steve St. Angelo, Toyota chief quality officer for North America, in a statement. Toyota said the recall was voluntary.

    The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration opened a preliminary investigation into the problem in December 2008, which was upgraded to an engineering analysis a year ago. In the agency's investigation, NHTSA said in some cases when the stability-control system activates, the driver loses throttle control and one or more brakes may apply, without the brake lights illuminating.

    "Toyota is cooperating with NHTSA's request to issue a safety recall of the 2003 Sequoia," Julia Piscitelli, NHTSA communications director, said in an email. Ms. Piscitelli noted that during the investigation, NHTSA and Toyota combined received reports from consumers of 163 safety-related failure incidents involving the Sequoia stability-control system.

    Toyota estimates that half of the vehicles included in the recall have already been fixed based on the technical service bulletin.

    Toyota this year has come under scrutiny by lawmakers and safety advocates for complaints of unintended acceleration and has recalled about eight million vehicles globally. Earlier this month, the car maker agreed to pay a $16.4 million civil fine by the U.S. but rejected allegations that it knowingly hid defects.

    Write to Kate Linebaugh at kate.linebaugh@wsj.com
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    You know some folks just like to bash a company and then go ahead and buy the same company`s product !!

    People do love to complain.
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Show me an extended warranty contract for ANY TOYOTA from any legitimate business, and I'll match it and reduce your cost by $5!.

    Careful...I've seen 7/100 warranty quote for my Sienna for less than $800.
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    anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    Toyo appears to be being proactive with the ESC issue on the GX.

    Betcha the LC and LX are going to be next...
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    2nd ESC-related recall in a week

    So that explains the two photos showing Gary's Tundra pushing other cars and making them crash!

    And it's not even his fault! He's off the hook. ;)
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    fezofezo Member Posts: 10,384
    YEah, but his eye wasn't on the road. He was looking at his navigation unit! :D
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
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    larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    Do you really think he meant that no Toyota EVER has a repair required?
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    He was looking at his navigation unit!

    Let me fix that:

    He was yelling at his navigation unit!

    PS Love my new Garmin 1490T :shades:
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    fezofezo Member Posts: 10,384
    Ah! MUCH better!
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    edited April 2010
    Very different...

    recalling Sequoia SUVs to adjust a control system that drivers say is too aggressive

    vehicle stability control “kicked in at times it shouldn't have, maybe too early,”

    Read more: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100428/OEM/100429827/1290#i- - xzz0mQkt59FA

    So this is sort of the opposite.

    Funny thing is that's how I would describe the VSC on my Sienna - it kicks in too early, often preventing me from climbing my snowy driveway. Good thing there's an Off button.
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    gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Do you really think he meant that no Toyota EVER has a repair required?

    Better ask Andres, he seems to think that Toyota is a trouble free auto maker. Just does not think they are good enough for him to buy. He's never owned one.
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    nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    edited April 2010
    BMW replaces Toyota as most valuable global car brand

    BMW AG has overtaken Toyota Motor Corp. as the world's most valuable automotive brand, an annual ranking of the world's top brands showed.

    ....Peter Walshe, Millward Brown global brand director, said he believes Toyota will bounce back after the automaker's massive recall campaign started to hit its brand value toward the end of 2009.

    “It is likely that Toyota's brand has suffered further in recent months, but it is a strong brand and is trying hard to overcome the damage through a major communications campaign," Walshe said in a telephone interview. "All of our evidence shows that strong brands are much more likely to recover from a crisis."

    BMW brand's brand value declined 9 percent compared with the 2009 ranking to just over $21.8 billion, according to the study. Toyota's brand value dropped 27 percent to just under $21.8 billion.

    ....World's most valuable car brands in billions; rank in top 100

    1. BMW $21.82 -- (25)

    2. Toyota $21.77 -- (26)

    3. Honda $14.30 -- (46)

    4. Mercedes $13.74 -- (53)

    5. Porsche $12.02 -- (65)

    6. Nissan $8.61 -- (86)

    7. Ford $7.04 -- *

    8. VW $6.99 -- *

    9. Audi $3.62 -- *

    10. Renault $3.26 -- *

    * Did not qualify for the top 100

    http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100429/CARNEWS/100429801

    I take note that BMW and Toyota are very close in value, and that the next automakers behind them are quite distant in the rankings. I suppose GM and Chrysler fell right out the floor of the survey because of the bankruptcy.

    Most valuable brand in the survey is Google. ;-)

    Will Toyota get its house in order this year? Or will its value as a brand continue to decline?

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

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