Toyota on the mend?

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,528
    Can't wait to see LF-A on there :shades:

    Can't wait til the first ice and snow here, a few X5s and X6s will be ditched
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    edited November 2011
    Plenty of Benzes and McLarens already.

    Yeah, AWD means more go but not necessarily more stop. Newbies get overconfident....
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,528
    I guess wrecked exotics excludes most Toyolex products simply by name :shades:

    I have a simple snow solution. Here, where 4" or more creates armageddon, I simply stay home.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm an IT guy so I *EQUIP* people so they CAN stay home.

    I wish more people would listen to me.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,528
    You mean you install software on laptops for companies sensible enough to trust their employees to telecommute?

    If only more companies did that. But then the entire micromanager class would be jobless, and they will fight to the death to retain their jobs. :sick:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That is exactly what I do. Laptops, BlackBerrys, now iPads.

    Desktop VC stuff, too. Reduced our travel budget enough to pay my own salary many times over.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    edited November 2011
    The solution for most heavy snow conditions, regardless of drive configuration, is winter tires. They help you go, turn and stop. The tradeoff is cost, storage and hassle, of course. There are no perfect solutions, just better choices.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    For those who need to come in, like me, yes.

    I'm trying to keep as many people home as possible. I benefit because it keeps people who don't know how to drive on snow (i.e. all DCers) off the roads.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,817
    So how are you getting to work to save all those other people?
    I was in Potomac on Saturday, not sure where but I remember seeing an Elementary school.
    Mostly, I was gawking at the huge houses.
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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Outside of the deep south, DC seems to be exceptionally paranoid about snow, and weather in general for that matter. Not sure I understand why really since the only consistent issue there is "muggy"?
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I benefit because it keeps people who don't know how to drive on snow (i.e. all DCers) off the roads.

    Do you mean to imply that DCers can drive when there isn't snow? That's certainly not my experience.

    We were just down there. Should have looked you up...
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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Ever notice how a lot of drivers in DC hang in left lanes never preparing ahead for their exit - then its turn indicator, brake and try to abruptly get over at the last minute exacerbating the traffic jams. But heck, Congress can't think beyond the end of their nose either!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The Miata is like a roller skate in the snow. Some people put on snow tires but I don't want to be a target for all the other drivers out there.

    I take the Subaru to work when it's snowing, and either go in early or late to avoid traffic. No choice - I have to work, funny how you're essential when they need you but not when pay raises are handed out. :sick:

    Yeah, Potomac is pretty nice, did you see Avenel for instance?

    By the square foot, though, Bethesda and Great Falls (VA) are even more expensive. That's why you see bigger houses farther out.

    City towns are popping up in Bethesda in the millions. With zero yard space. :surprise:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I won't even defend this region - we *do* have terrible drivers.

    When it comes to snow, I think the problem is we don't get enough consistent snow that people ever really get good experience. People literally abandon cars on the side of the road when we get 2", it's ridiculous.

    When I travel I also notice other regions have better drivers (not hard).

    Texas - the best I've observed, trucks will pull to the shoulder to let you by. Unreal. That would *NEVER* happen in DC, they would sooner die than let you pass.

    Floria - the fastest. The flow must average 10-15mph faster than DC's highways. Not sure if it's congestion or speed limits, or flat land, but I love how quickly you can cover long distances there.

    DC - the worst tailgaters and rubber neckers you've ever seen, they should just stay home and not drive at all. One sneeze can cause a traffic jam.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I think driving has gotten worse most everywhere. Some of it is congestion, some general rudeness and self absorbed nature of modern society, but mostly I attribute it to inattentive cell phone useage.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,528
    I suspect lax training is a prime contributor, too. I see plenty of bad drivers, especially "new residents" who no doubt have perfectly valid and legal licenses, driving like they just received a lobotomy, with no phone to be seen.
  • 2012aveo2012aveo Member Posts: 43
    edited November 2011
    I agree with you that driving has gotton worse, in the U.S. at least. I use to think it was only in the New York City area where people are so arrogant at driving and even in the workplace, but from reading many posts on various websites it seems it is all over the country.
    Personally I think it is a generational thing where you have a generation of immature people some in their mid 40's now for crying out loud, that were raised on video games, texting, ranting on forums, and a general disrespect for each other ( regardless of what brand of car they drive, GM, Toyota, Mercedes, etc.).
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The Kelley Blue Book award named Toyota as most likely to retain top value after five years

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203611404577041691687370310.html

    KBB forecasted Toyota on top, while ALG picked Subaru.

    I own one of each so I'm not complaining! :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Here's more on the ALG, Lexus won among lux brands:

    http://www.bizjournals.com/prnewswire/press_releases/2011/11/16/LA06359

    Lexus, a division of Toyota Motor North America, Inc., claims the top ranking among luxury brands for the first time since 2007. The Lexus CT 200h also won the Luxury Hybrid/Alternative Powertrain segment.

    "Lexus has fully bounced back from its recent challenges, proving that it is one of the strongest brands," said Mr. Sundaram. "The brand is extending its reach with exciting and affordable new models like the CT 200h, while continuing to provide great luxury and value across the lineup. Lexus' reputation for value and customer service is also key to its dominance among luxury brands."

    Toyota swept the pickup categories, with the Tacoma winning the Midsize Pickup segment and the Tundra winning the Fullsize Pickup segment.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,960
    Let's remember that ALG is cited as one of the main reasons that led to bankruptcy for GM and Chrysler, as they overvalued a ton of vehicles for leases which led them to take huge losses at return time at the end of the leases.

    So much for their "accuracy," which is frankly no better than a crystal ball I once saw in a flea market.
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    edited November 2011
    Not sure about Toyotas, but ask Car_Man for real-life lease residuals for Subaru, and you'll be shocked at how well they maintain their value.

    Yes, they're taking risks by standing behind their products, but they are standing behind their products...
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,960
    Is Subaru or Toyota pulling a Hyundai and assuring their trade in values? Hadn't heard of that?

    I looked at Hyundai's numbers, and I'm sure I could make more money starting an independent business "assuring" Honda's real life real world values even better than Hyundai's program.

    The numbers seemed pretty low to me, but at least it provides a decent worst case doomsday bottom line scenario.
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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    People like to jump on any little Toyota issue, but cars like Camry will continue to be popular because they are pretty reliable, comfortable, smooth riding and economical. The same attributes that Impala's had in their hey day 60's and 70's. I don't think Americans have changed as much as the media makes it out.

    Honda will be OK. They need to get back to their old customer focus though. Apparently premature Tranny and AC issues, and buff magazine inspired oddball designs are holding them back a bit these days.

    Personally, I think over time people will realize that while Hyundai is much improved, it is maybe not quite as special as some make them out to be. I also think some of their styling, like the Sonata, is already looking a bit tired but I know there is a lot of differing opinion on this right now.

    I think GM will settle in over the next few years, but Chrysler's sudden surge will end up with many Mopar trade-ins in the next 3-5 years (for other brands) as the current payments are finished.

    The one I wonder a bit about is Ford. It will be interesting to see how the domestic market reacts to its Euro-ness?
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I think Honda has a lot further to go than Toyota. I rented a 2010 Honda Accord last year for 2 weeks. It had under 15k miles and was really a piece of junk. Lots of road noise. Even the key fob would only work 1 out of ten times unlocking the doors. If they had any other large car at Budget I would have exchanged. The owner told me it was the first and last Accord they would put in the fleet. They have best luck with Nissan.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,936
    By far the worst rental I've had this year, and I had 'em all, was a Camry with 15K miles that sounded as if it needed control arm bushings and the "Traction Control" light stayed on.
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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,086
    I personally think that any rental car with over 3-4K miles should not be a fair assesment of a make/model. I've driven many a rental and I know they have been abused, from the customers to the employees who know what have been done to them. Imagine a busy lot attendant driving around an airport complex to gas up and clean those cars, it's probably like an autocross event.

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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    edited November 2011
    "...I think over time people will realize that while Hyundai is much improved, it is maybe not quite as special as some make them out to be. I also think some of their styling, like the Sonata, is already looking a bit tired but I know there is a lot of differing opinion on this right now."

    I think Hyundai did the right thing with the Sonata's styling, by differentiating it from its main competitors. It's easier to gain market share on Camry and Accord with fresh styling than by immitation. As is true of any styling trend, Hyundai will have to refresh it, and eventually go in a new direction, because trends go in cycles, from conservative to aggressive, back to conservative. Since Korea is generally acknowledged to be the design leader, for style, in Asia - roughly what Italy is to Europe - Hyundai (and Kia) have good resources to draw on.

    "I think GM will settle in over the next few years, but Chrysler's sudden surge will end up with many Mopar trade-ins in the next 3-5 years (for other brands) as the current payments are finished."

    I think it's too early to make that prediction for Chrysler, because...

    1. Jeep is very strong, and Sergio Marchionne is aggressively taking it global. The future looks very bright for Jeep, in my opinion.

    2. Ram is gaining market share, and it's very difficult to know how separating Ram from Dodge will play out.

    3. While the current Chrysler and Dodge cars are rather stale, new replacement platforms from Fiat will begin arriving in 2012. Since we haven't yet seen them, it's impossible to predict whether they'll have what it takes to retain current Chrysler and Dodge owners at trade-in time. The first new model, the replacement for the Caliber, will be displayed at the Detroit Auto Show in January. That should give us an idea of whether Dodge has the attributes to compete in the compact car segment.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Is Subaru or Toyota pulling a Hyundai and assuring their trade in values? Hadn't heard of that?

    Don't follow Toyota closely enough to tell you, but Subaru offers a Guaranteed Trade-in Value program if you trade up to a new Subaru, and the allowances are generously high. As in KBB value high.

    There are certain rules about age and mileage, I think they want them for CPO re-sale.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    edited November 2011
    I personally think that any rental car with over 3-4K miles should not be a fair assesment of a make/model

    Bingo.

    I had a Taurus with 7k miles that had the stench of cigarette smoke. I had to take it back. You could not give me that car.

    Right now we have a Sentra with 8778 miles, and it smells pretty bad, too. Something is wrong with the driver's seat cushion. I doubt it's faulty foam, surely prior misuse/abuse.

    Don't even get me started on the Lancer we rented in Puerto Rico. A one year old rental feels like a 10 year old car.

    It's like sampling a mattress at a cheap motel. It may be lumpy, dirty, even smelly, but it's not a fair assessment of how a Serta would perform in your house.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,960
    Imagine a busy lot attendant driving around an airport complex to gas up and clean those cars, it's probably like an autocross event.

    What's wrong with autocrossing? :) Frankly, only tire and brake pad (maybe rotor) wear should be noticeable because of it.

    If a car can't handle being driven, then it shouldn't be built!
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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,960
    The history of Chrysler tells us that nothing will change. They will advertise they have changed, but the cars will not change. They will continue to peddle junk and ask for bailouts repeatedly.

    History does repeat itself. It already has. Bailout #3 is around the corner.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,528
    There's a difference between driving and thrashing, however. You can only hop so many curbs in a FWD car before something gives. Rental car miles are like dog years, at the very least. I think lemko and I are the only ones who don't hoon their rental.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I don't even use valet parking, and the funny thing is - I used to *BE* a valet!

    :D

    One night, back in 1989, IIRC, the brand new, red-hot Miata pulls up. My buddy gets it, though. Bummer!

    I couldn't find him for the next 15 minutes. Later he admitted he went for a joy ride, top down. Got away with it, too.

    I almost got fired for autocrossing the owner's wife's Dodge Caravan thru the twisty garage. She was in the restroom and heard the tires squeeling. From the vents, I guess? Busted.

    What saved my job is that I had a tire guage and was able to prove the air pressure was low. Phew, close one.

    Even offered to find a service station to air them up. She passed. ;)

    I'm not proud of it but she was The Devil and cheated on her husband with the restaurant manager, so I didn't feel guilty about it.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,528
    I don't like valet parking either. Last time I had to do it I made sure I knew where the car was going and how everything was set. And they still changed my seat setting :sick:

    Should have loosened her lugs or cut a brake line :shades:
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I think it's too early to make that prediction for Chrysler

    Interesting and good analysis, but I've still got my doubts. Dodge (now Ram) has had upticks before with its trucks only to have lousy reliability and durability bring them right back down. New Fiat based models, you're right - time will tell. However, having just experienced Mopar's new V6 I've got to say it is far from impressive, let alone competitive. As I stated, I'm curious how this Euro thing is going to work out for Ford and its new world cars. Maybe Fiat will make a difference, but it seems that over history European gets press, but doesn't necessarily sell in this country. Sure, BMW is popular, but its also status and expensive. VW seems to be modifying their Euro design and Americanizing for the US market. I do think Marchionne is doing a great job for what he has though.

    As for Hyundai, I agree with you. But there is a drawback to heavy styling - it has to be refreshened more frequently as you have noted. That can be expensive and pinch resale values.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    edited November 2011
    "What's wrong with autocrossing? Frankly, only tire and brake pad (maybe rotor) wear should be noticeable because of it."

    What about suspension and drivetrain wear, which may not be immediately noticeable, but which will require premature replacement or repair of parts and components?
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    edited November 2011
    "That can be expensive and pinch resale values."

    Good points!
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    I try to avoid valets too. I tip them, if it'e valet parking only, and then park my own car if they'll allow it.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, the secret is tip half in advance, half when you pick it up. If you have to use a valet, that is. We'd write "VIP" on the ticket and park those cars in the best spots.

    One time this guy drove up in a beater Datsun, I opened the door for his girl, treated him well. $20 tip. Booya! :shades:

    Parked Larry King's Lincoln Town Car 100 times. Cheap son of a gun used to tip just one single dollar, and on top of that he always had special instructions. His car stunk to the heavens with smoke.

    Most generous tippers: Wilbur Marshall (Redskins player) and Paul Barry (news anchor).

    Funny thing is a luxury car did *NOT* correlate with a larger tip, far from it. It was the young guys with a hot date who would tip best.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "Toyota may shift more vehicle production to the United States, Bloomberg reported.

    Toyota and other Japanese automakers recently have been ramping up cautioning rhetoric about their ability to maintain domestic production levels as the consistently strengthening value of the yen erodes profits from exports."

    Toyota Threatens To Shift Japan Capacity To U.S. (AutoObserver)
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    It almost sounded like he was apologizing for moving production to the USA. Maybe it was directed at his company executives in Japan. I thought that Miss plant was for Prius production. I guess you have to build what sells.

    With a US workforce in the South that is willing to work for a living, Toyota could add to their sales volume in the USA. As people slowly get over buying D3 just because of the name.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Yeah, although I think may have been directed more at Japanese politicians since Toyota's execs can't manipulate the price of the yen like the government can.

    Going to make 150,000 Corollas there, at least initially. I think all the hybrid production comes from Japan.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I thought Toyota was making some of the Camry Hybrids in the USA. Or at least assembling the parts made elsewhere. I know Camry has a decent NA content. I don't know about the Camry hybrids along with the RX and Highlander hybrids.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,528
    Yes, there are US assembled Camry hybrids now, have been for a couple years I think.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Cool. MSN says "Rated on the price of parts, the Camry hybrid's domestic content is only 45%, but that percentage is expected to rise." Unfortunately the blurb is undated.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,817
    edited November 2011
    Is that Lexus/Toyota with any body damage seem to rust pretty easily.
    They must really skip on the rust resistant coating.
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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,817
    Are these Corolla's going to be built at lower non Japanese specs, like the gas pedals in those domestic production Camry's?
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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited November 2011
    Well I dunno. Seems like most manufacturers tweak the specs depending on what market the vehicle is going to be sold in.

    People are always wanting JDM stuff that you can't get in the states, if only for the uniqueness.

    VW sure tweaked their Passat for the US market.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,817
    I guess will have to wait until VW has to cut the cars in half. ;)
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Don't joke - they used American suppliers. :sick:
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