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The UAW and Domestic Automakers
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Rocky
Rocky
I like the floating 8'X40' shipping crate being used for NO replacement housing. And, no, I'm not being patronizing. An event like that has to be one of the most humiliating events a person can go through. Pontoonable housing, utilizing a large shipping crate like that would be an actual improvement over a stick-frame house that's prone to flooding out, eh?
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Both my Step-dad, and aunt, say it's not looking good next contract. GM, filed a lawsuit yesterday against Delphi, while Delphi has filed suits against GM. Rick Wagoner, and Steve Miller, are fixing to go to war. The UAW, is going to have a hard time waiting to see who wins. The UAW, vowed to help Ford out further by reducing operating costs. Jennifer Granholm, even gave Ford huge tax incentives to stay in Michigan.
Rocky
Toyota has received about 100,000 applications to fill 2,000 jobs. Suppliers have fielded more than 10,000 applications for 2,100 jobs.
Jobs on Toyota's production line come with the promise of a starting salary of more than $15 an hour, increasing to more than $20 an hour after several years, not to mention benefits. The supplier jobs start at $9 an hour for some suppliers and $11 an hour for others.
Waht was Delphi offering? How can anyone compete with Toyota?
Here's the latest deal 62' pal.
http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060816/AUTO02/608160395/- - 1148/AUTO01
They are in court as we speak. :surprise:
Rocky
Rocky
Trust me both will be pernament, because they both have unique skills and my Step-dad has enough education and experience to qualify himself as a millwright. My aunt flat out is very mechanically inclinded and will be hired full-time eventually. She also is related to my family, and all you have to do is say my last name in the plant and you will be hired when the time comes.
Te current Delphi workers (vets) are making the same as they always have until the court thing comes to a end. Most of the ones who have been able to flow back to GM, have already. Yes their is a few on the waiting list still. The new hires pretty much are running the plant, but are still taking directions from the vets that still remain.
Could the UAW, go out on strike at the Delphi plants ? Sure could. I however think the UAW, will use Johnson Controls union plants as a guide for benefits and pay. Which won't be as good as it was, but it won't be bad either.
Rocky
I'm not sure what you mean by this. GM and Toyota use alot of the same supplier plants 62'
Rocky
Toyota has received about 100,000 applications to fill 2,000 jobs. Suppliers have fielded more than 10,000 applications for 2,100 jobs.
Jobs on Toyota's production line come with the promise of a starting salary of more than $15 an hour, increasing to more than $20 an hour after several years, not to mention benefits. The supplier jobs start at $9 an hour for some suppliers and $11 an hour for others.
the above statement came out of Texas and referred to the new Tundra plant.
Toyota, should get plenty of illegal aliens to work those plants since San Antonio, because of Texas's soft borders are made up of a large illegal alien population. :sick:
Oh well maybe Kinky, and his border solution is truely the way to go this coming fall.
Rocky
I think the last thing Toyota wants to do is be acused of padding profits by hiring a large number of illegals. Do you have any evidence to back up your speculation or is that just a reflexive need to bash Toyota?
BTW - since Texas has soft borders, would it be okay if I acused GM of hiring a bunch of illegals for their Texas plants as well?
It was solely a cheap shot at Toyota, because they are suppose to be moralely perfect and the toyota, fans can't handle the truth that Toyota corp. lied to them on the recalls. I find it most amusing.
BTW - since Texas has soft borders, would it be okay if I acused GM of hiring a bunch of illegals for their Texas plants as well?
I highly doubt one could find a current illegal alien at those ancient UAW Tx GM plants. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but very unlikely since the average worker is in their 40's-50's.
Rocky
I'm glad we got THAT out of the way...
"because they are suppose to be moralely perfect and the toyota, fans can't handle the truth that Toyota corp. lied to them on the recalls."
Actually, I think it's more important to have good business ethics, but I understand what you're saying. Regarding the rest of that acusation.....what the heck are you talking about? What recalls did Toyota lie about, and to whom?
"I highly doubt one could find a current illegal alien at those ancient UAW Tx GM plants."
Weeeeeel, I dunno about that. I'm sure there's one or two (but FINDING them might be the problem). For the record, I imagine that both GM and Toyota would have virtually the same hiring practices regarding illegals; ie. it wouldn't be worth the risk.
Another FYI - plenty of illegals are in their 40's and 50's.
My goodness don't tell me you haven't seen the 2 million+ recalls toyota has had of late. You really must be REALLY thirsty and are beginning to scare me with your hallucinations. :P :surprise:
Rocky
Rocky
We're really going to be feeling the "consequences" of current economic "choices" in the coming decades. Stock up that safe room...
Do you even see the consequences...indeed...
Rocky
Rocky
http://www.businessweek.com/autos/content/aug2006/bw20060825_840021.htm?chan=top- +news_top+news+index_businessweek+exclusives
Rocky
I love the way the "corporate greed" comes out. A company is trying to stay in business by paying the same as it's competitors and it is due to corporate greed.
I agree with most of this. I doubt UAW/GM hourly will be better off finacially then Toyota and Honda workers if you factor the cost of living in the Midwest after next contract.
I love the way the "corporate greed" comes out. A company is trying to stay in business by paying the same as it's competitors and it is due to corporate greed.
Well we could argue this one into the ground, but the bottom line is GM, is turning things around and got rid of alot of legacy costs for the future. The ones who are suffering is the working people in this country, because most of them are being squeezed to the point they will never see retirement in their future. I know life isn't fair, but you'd think we as a country would at least allow people to old to work the option of retirement, which is becoming more of a wish than a reality today for my generation.
So my point being is yes, I believe it's "corporate greed," they control the politics in this country and could fix the current trends in this country IMHO.
Rocky
Love it. The domestics control the politics in this country yet 3 of the biggest companies in the US with almost the most employees in the country cannot get to see the president even with the media talking about it. US business is fighting for their lives. US companies are going under everywhere. Why? Competition from other countries mostly. No one can stop the outside world except ourselves and we choose to to buy from where we want. No one forces us to buy all the Chinese stuff.
Enough said.
The rest I agree we are stupid people and agree we are dumb for buying so much Chinese. Can our economy absorb us buying Chinese made cars to ? :surprise:
Rocky
What would happen if China stopped exporting to US? Our stores would empty out and the public would revolt. China would also be in trouble. Its a standoff.
Rocky
We should make and buy our own stuff.The Chinese definately have enough people to make and buy their own stuff. The Chinese got to learn to follow the example that made the U.S. prosperous by treating its workers well and paying them a fair wage.
Rocky
The US has a huge carrot it can use against the Chinese - indeed, simply stop importing the junk. The public has little say in what goes on anyway.
OK so they could do it slowly but it sure is not a pretty picture.
If the junk wasn't made there, it would end up being made here, and the story would end. People would get their crap fixation and would maybe adapt to buying less crap in total. Win-win. Sooner or later China will be involved in a war and exports of semi-slave-labor junk will slow...what then?
Ethics and long term thinking have no place in big business, I know.
Rocky
Rocky
Of course, by then corporate interests will have an even stronger hold over legislation, and operation of anything before year x will be illegal and punishable by time in a prison camp - to spur new sales of course, on 10-15 year financing terms.
"$99 down! $99 a month at the Cherry Hill Triplex for a brand new Chery Chine-E-Class! No credit? Bad Credit? Wal-Mart worker? No problem! Each new Chery comes with discounted credit life insurance!"
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Now, if you're talking a '62 Chevy Nova SS or a '55 Chevy to restore or buy already restored, then maybe the foreign import onslaught can be abated for a tad. The Hyundai/Kia megalopy and all the myriads of Japanese cars are going to have to lower their prices or the better choice will be a lower-cost Chinese car.
Like a classic Lynyrd Skynyrd tune, dig it!
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Rocky
The prices would end up being a few dollars more per item, but that's about it.
the Union is really in trouble here in the states. There was even an article in the Detroit Free Press that most want to go to a right to work state. They are tired of being forced to join unions to get a job.
She was among a majority of Michiganders -- 56% to 35% -- in the Free Press-Local 4 Michigan Poll who said that they favor the change. Of respondents in union households, 42% said they favored such a change.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006609030710
Rocky
Rocky