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I liked it, but didn't fall in love with it. I didn't have a chance to drive it, but did ride around in it some. I'd still consider one, but not enough to just go out and blindly buy one without testing the competition.
I do like it a bit better than the Malibu, mainly because it feels a bit roomier inside, and the base engine is more powerful. I'll be curious to see how the 2013 Malibu compares.
Cars for the most part have gotten good enough though, that I don't think there's really a loser in this class. I'm even impressed with how Chrysler was able to turn it around when they took the sow's ear Sebring and turned it into the 200. Maybe it's not quite a silk purse, but considering what they had to work with, I'm still impressed.
That's what I'm talkin' about. Many levels up from good ole' GM.
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BMW over in Eatontown, NJ has a fleet of 15 or so loaners....all new cars they then resell as Certified.
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I'd agree. The Altima's base powertrain performs very well. With the CVT I found it to feel peppier than most 4cyl sedans I've driven. Overall it's a very competent car.
My guess is the 2013 Malibu will be very competitive with the base engine and less so with the optional turbo. I think they are using the DI ecotec with nearly 190hp for the base engine. That will certainly be competitive. The 220Hp turbo will be on the low side (will be competitive torque wise) of what the top offerings are in other sedans. Toyota is keeping the 3.5 V6 in the Camry and it is rated for better mileage than the turbo regal (i used the regal due to similar platform and powertrains to the new Malibu). But in reality, the volume in this segment is with 4cylinders so, the Malibu should be in good shape.
Then,when someone said they wouldn't buy a Cruise because it's built in Canada. I said what's the diference.? They screamed jobs.
Now Ford builds the Focus in Mexico I think.So they want to know Fords price? Also, they are all republicans and still harp on the unions still ruining the car industry in the states.Ya can't win.
Unless Canada is a suburb of Lordstown, Ohio, I think they are wrong. Cruze is built in Lordstown. Very well so, thank you.
>asked me to check Fords' stock. I think it was around ten bucks.
I hope they aren't try to compare the merit and value of a company based on the common stock price per share.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
The Cruze has only been built in Lordstown, forty miles from here, as long as it's been built.
The new President of Ford was asked, since he doe'sn't come from a car backgound how will he make Ford a better company. He answered it takes 40 million parts to keep a boeing 777 in the air and 10,000 parts to build a Focus..
Even back then those guys know the Germans had superior engineering for better planes and better tanks.
We just won because we outnumbered them.
Go [non-permissible content removed].
I know we didn't run through Europe in WWII as easily and as quickly as we ran through Iraq.
I'm not pro-[non-permissible content removed], I'm pro German-engineering.
In any event, let's try to do slightly better at keeping conversation on the topic indicated in the discussion title.
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That the Germans had better planes?
That the Germans had better tanks?
That we outnumbered them?
That they committed egregious tactical errors?
Seriously? Now that's a tasty strawman :shades: :lemon:
Maybe we can say that when VW buys out GM
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That's the kind of thinking some of the GM executives had in the past years: If I can sell dogfood, I can sell cars. But when cars start being bought on the basis of performance and specifications rather than on emotion, that might work. Otherwise, the people have to be car loving people who are willing to say, "It ain't gonna sell that way."
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On an aside: I eagerly await the reviews of the new 8-speed tranny Chrysler's fixin to use on the Charger/300. Hopefully it doesn't "hunt" to much.
In changing industries, though, it is KEY that the execs take the time and steps to analyze THEIR audience. However, I think the ability and willingness to do that transfers across a number of industries.
I think that there's a limited demographic in the "buy based on emotion" crowd - a number small enough that it cannot, by itself, sustain a company or product.
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I've read a few quick reviews on it and they were positive. Better performance and better fuel economy. Will be interesting when the 8 speed finds its way behind the Hemi in the trucks and SUVs.
I meant more than just the group that looks at a car and loves it because it's the penultimate motor vehicle with which they can impress their friends, and themselves or they just love the styling of the car.
Most people are buying a car because they have need for it. Those people also buy on emotion. They are convinced by word-of-mouth or by advertisements that they see on TV or magazines or newspapers that the vehicle is going to serve their purpose.
OR those people are convinced by the advertisement that the dealership is going to serve their need for easy credit or high trade-in or lease terms they can use to the customer benefit.
There is some reason, usually emotion related, that brings the buyer into the seller's domain.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I was out running some errands this evening, and saw a nice new blue 300 in the Sears parking lot, and a black Charger stuck in traffic on the way to the liquor store.
Hate to say it, but suddenly that Altima I've been talking about kinda slipped my mind! I keep telling myself I want something smaller and more fuel efficient next time around, but I have a feeling that in the long run, I won't be happy with it.
With something like a Charger/300, I might gripe a bit every time I have to fill it up. But if I got a 4-cyl Altima, Malibu, Fusion or whatever, I might constantly gripe about how I wish I'd gotten the Charger instead!
And, just to show how far cars have come in the past few years, a Charger/300 would still save on fuel compared to my Park Ave. The 3.6 is rated at 18/27, which is the same as the updated rating for my 2000 Intrepid (its original window sticker was 20/29). The Park Ave is rated at 16/25 under the new ratings (originally 18/27). I've read estimates that even the V-6 Charger/300 is good for 0-60 in around 7 seconds, which is slightly faster than my Park Ave, with the added bonus of not requiring premium fuel.
Heck, even the Hemi is rated at 16/25, and only calls for mid-grade, so even that would be a slight savings over my Park Ave! Provided my real-world economy somewhat correlates to those EPA ratings.
That's if you can keep your foot out of it. Not easy I would imagine.
The Charger is starting to grow on me. I'm not sold on the interior, but I've seen a few lately that have been getting my attention.
I understand the German uniforms were designed by Hugo Boss. I'm sure the Wehrmacht looked awesome as they froze to death on the Russian front. The Russian uniforms were ugly and looked like they were made out of horse blankets, but the Red Army managed to stay warm in subzero temperatures.
The Germans managed to build only about 6,500 Panzer and German tanks. The Americans built 60,000 Shermans alone.
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Well, when the Charger first came out, I wasn't impressed enough with it to replace my 2000 Intrepid with one. At the time, the Intrepid was about 5 1/2 years old and had about 105,000 miles on it, and seemed to have plenty of life left.
By the time the Intrepid finally got totaled, in November of 2009, the Great Recession was still fresh in my mind, so a new car was the last thing on my mind. I had thought about a used Charger, but just couldn't find the right combination of age, mileage, price, engine, and features that appealed to me. What I really wanted was one with a 3.5 V-6 and a sunroof, but for the most part, it was only the Hemi models that had a sunroof. And it seemed like most of the cheaper models on the used car market were 2.7's.
As for the Pontiac G8, I do like those alot, but they were still on the expensive side. Even once Pontiac got orphaned, they still seemed to hold their value pretty well. And, they really weren't all that common on the used car market. Then, before I knew it, I found a listing for a 2000 Park Ave Ultra at the local Cadillac dealer, called about it, came in, and before I knew it, my name was on the title!
Yes, I'll agree the prelude was a superior car, but the probe (Mazda MX-6)was a credible competitor...
Toyota to halt Camry shipments to U.S.
Even the most racist, diehard "Buy Murican" folks out there should recognize this as a positive...
What does race have to do with this? That comment is out of place.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Therefore, I conclude it has more to do with a companies business culture than it does their race.
Some companies want to maximize short term profits at the expense of the customer, while other companies want to maximize long term gains and loyalty by earning it.
Although, I enjoy his line "churlish dolt" a lot, too!
- Don't forget that foreign makes produce more cars in the US than the D3 do
You should really look at the bigger picture a bit.Wrong, "buying foreign" allows me to own cars and motorcycles I truly love to drive/ride.
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