Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "The horrible thing about Jeep is that it’s never had the chance to be exploited internationally." Sergio Marchionne.

    “We’ve started a very active marketing effort in Europe now with Jeep, and we’ve had phenomenal results. Sales are doubling almost every 12 months.” That assessment suggests that very soon, perhaps as early as next year, the export volume of Jeeps built in Toledo will rise significantly from 2011, when the company shipped out about 9,500 units to foreign markets, mostly in Europe, for the year to date through October, compared with about 10,500 units in each of the previous two years and about 14,000 units in 2008."

    Germans Set Bar In U.S. Auto Exporting (AutoObserver)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Some day that will come to the US coast to collect on our debt. :lemon:

    Heck, maybe it was built with the real parts the US Military paid for, since they got a lot of counterfeit parts from China on their orders.

    In related news, China is adding duties to US-built cars, accusing the USA of dumping. Would be funny if it were not true:

    http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111214/GLOBAL/111219947/113- 1
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,531
    edited December 2011
    I wouldn't worry so much - the current economic policy is just a post coldwar version of mutually assured destruction: they need us for a place to invest their ill gotten gold, we need them to dump cheap shoddy poisoned goods on the market to keep the sheeple from revolting. win/win (but everyone who isn't a 1%er loses)

    China accusing anyone of unfair trade practices is hilarious, they are the greatest trading criminal on the planet.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Member Posts: 1,722
    Too bad we don't have that 1 trillion dollars spent on the Iraq war. Could have created a LOT of jobs with that - rebuilding infrastructure, etc.

    Steering back to cars, the infrastructure construction would have created more income that could have been spent on new cars, which would have created more jobs building cars (both so-called domestic AND so-called foreign), which would have............ etc.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,056
    Looks like the toy companies are capitalizing on it...
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  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    And girls, this will be you if you REALLY screw up!

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Not to mention thousands of American lives...

    But yeah, could have replaced every deficient bridge in America by now.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Man, are you right on the money! Our infrastructure has been declining since maybe the late 60s. One day all the bridges will collapse and all the dams break at once and there will be people saying "what happened?"
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Re-route those resources to the Army .... Corps of Engineers, and declare war on the pothole. :shades:
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Yay!

    I'm old enough to remember when most roads were pothole free.

    Heck, when I was a kid they repaved our little one block street pretty much every year.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Heck, I'm old enough to remember I-80 and I-81 as brand new interstates!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My sister works for them, engineer in training. She was over at Arlington Cemetery keeping and eye on the parking lot repaving. I'm sure she's love to work on a bridge next.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I remember I-80 not being finished in NJ.

    I remember as a very young kid driving on the brand new Garden State Parkway.

    Of course other than the constant expansion work (when I was a kid the Parkway was a maximum of three lanes in each direction and went down to two lanes in Monmouth County and the bridge over Great Egg Harbor was one lane in each direction) the Parkway is still an insanely well kept road. One of the few things in the state that work.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,700
    edited December 2011
    >Too bad we don't have that 1 trillion dollars spent on the Iraq war. Could have created a LOT of jobs with that - rebuilding infrastructure, etc.

    If you want to play the blame game:
    Of course, we could be paying triple the cost for oil after the Middle East had gone haywire into the control of "other" powers who had taken over Iraq/

    And we could have used the money we spent on social programs that do no good (to wit, the Great Society of Johnson til now) and take money away from handling the infrastructure repair. Giving people money so they can protest in parks against whatever they can synthesize as their cause de jour doesn't do much to help them become employed or starting their own business.

    Now steering back to cars, construction and reconcontruction of the infrastructure isn't going to do too much different. It's building and manufacturing that are need that are monies in the private sector being spent into the economy. Spending government money like the last three years will only devalue the dollar as more are printed. Government spending hurts the car industry.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Are the "other" powers the ones with WMDs? ;)
  • marsha7marsha7 Member Posts: 3,703
    that we have spent many more trillions on the War on Poverty than the War in Iraq...at least Iraq has an end, whereas the War on Poverty has ingrained numerous generations of people to be worthless forever, unless we cut that off like Iraq and just end it...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    This thread is depressing. We sound like a 1980s Calvin Klein commercial. :D
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    About $50 trillion to be exact for the failed "War on Poverty."
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Here's where that went wrong: "entitlement". It wasn't right to make people do any work for the benefits. If it had been handled like the WPA during the depression, maybe there would be desire to work rather than entitlement to my share. I sometimes wonder if the Great Society wasn't really a way to keep minorities an underclass by discouraging work, hope and aspirations for a monthly government check? I support some help for people in a jam through no fault of their own, but the recipients should also do something to earn it. There is no legal job or effort below someones dignity when times are rough, but there is a loss of dignity when someone doesn't work for those benfits if physically able IMHO.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    More importantly 4500+ US soldiers' lives.

    Figure in the worst case scenario, oil would have cost $45 more per barrel, so roughly 100 dead for each $1 off a barrel of oil. That's how addicted we are.

    Depending upon who you ask, USA's #1 export is debt, waste, or bombs.
  • marsha7marsha7 Member Posts: 3,703
    If the Great Society started in 1965 (probably quite small in its initial few years_ thru 2010 would be 45 years...50 trillion would be over 1 trillion yearly and that could not happen, esp between 65-85, when the budget first broke the 1 trillion mark for the entire budget...
  • motorcity6motorcity6 Member Posts: 427
    Rebuilding America would all be classified as union only jobs thereby making the streets and bridges, "gold plated." Our depression ended only when WWII came about and manufacturing was needed to support the war effort..

    After the war ended, our manufacturing switched over to the civilian's needs and rolled along for a few years before we went into a downturn, it's feast or famine..It's comes in cycles..When Govt tries to control the cycles then we use our "credit card" and roll the presses..and always blame someone else..

    Out Govt has gutted the American manufacturing scene with a myraid of laws and regulations. Our corporations switched to foreign countries for the cheaper labor and less restrictions..The foreign guys invaded America with their transplant operations supported by the our government and the respective states and drove our auto guys off the cliff..

    I know, Detroit built lousy cars and blah-blah, however from my perspective
    the trip from 1967 thru 2001 was a blast with supplying parts to the Big3 and military tank track components..

    After going through 53 cars, none Asian, I can only praise Detroit, and the 2 Porsches.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Well, my dad's ready to buy a 200 convertible today, made in Michigan FWIW.

    Too bad all the profits go to Fiat. ;)
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    Too bad all the profits go to Fiat. ;)

    Well, he'll provide some much needed profit to the salesman and dealer.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, we're trying to buy in-state, MD. Problem is, the VA dealers have better pricing, and not by a little - $900 or so. We'll give the local dealers the opportunity to match VA's pricing.
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    $900 or so. We'll give the local dealers the opportunity to match VA's pricing.

    I've been in that situation a few times. Generally I try to give the local dealer an opportunity to be competitive and I'll place a little value on supporting the local dealer and factor in the time/cost of acquiring the vehicle from a further distance.

    We went through that last year with a camper we bought. A quote from a dealer in Michigan was over $1k cheaper. I was able to get a local dealer to within $500. That was fine because the cost in gas alone would've been that much to tow my old camper all the way to Mi and tow the new one all the way back (getting 8mpg @ $4/gal at the time adds up quick). Plus it would have taken a full day.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It's a tough dilemna.

    You ask yourself, would you drive 10 minutes to save $200? It may not seem like much on a new car purchase, but $200 is still $200, no matter what you're buying.

    Think of it this way, if a pack of gum were $200.50 in MD, and $0.50 in VA, would you pay $200 more for gum?

    The DC area is densely populated so I guess it's nice to have many dealers to choose from, all competing against each other for your business. If the MD dealer can match the TrueCar.com quote (we have it printed) then we'll buy local.
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    edited December 2011
    You ask yourself, would you drive 10 minutes to save $200? It may not seem like much on a new car purchase, but $200 is still $200, no matter what you're buying.

    10 minutes is local in my book even it is in a neighboring state, so yeah, I'd definitely drive 10 minutes for $200. My situation was hundreds of miles.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,056
    I wonder if the local dealers would match Fitzmall pricing? If I ever decided to pull the plug on a new Altima, I've considered going through them, even though their Nissan store is up in Chambersburg, PA. Their pricing seems pretty reasonable, and they also seem fairly hassle-free.

    Heck, a couple months ago, I was considering buying a used Altima hybrid from them. Unfortunately, when I called about it, it was already sold, although it still showed up on their website for another couple days.
  • motorcity6motorcity6 Member Posts: 427
    "A car for idiots"
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Fitz only has 200 verts in Florida.

    Pop went to Criswell (here in MD) and they treated him well, he almost bought a left over 2011 S model with Navi and a hard top. Price was amazing, I told him to get it! $29k on an MSRP of $36k or so, well below TrueCar pricing for a 2012 by several grand.

    It's white and he doesn't like the color, but if my step mom likes it he may still buy it.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Well that makes sense since the JX and the new Pathfinder will share the same platform.

    Yes the Pathfinder is going full FWD/AWD, unibody, crossover next year.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    JX is bigger yet priced lower than the FX, interestingly.

    I always felt the FX and later EX were so small...
  • mrsixpackmrsixpack Member Posts: 39
    Why should we care about the profiteers anymore ? The guys in the upper offices and the stock owners are the ones that have run so many companies in the ground, needing public bailouts and selling off to the highest bidders ! IMHO !
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Why not, if Benz makes the ML here?

    Did you see that MB is looking to sell up to 10% of the company to China?

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,531
    A way to sell to Chinese criminal tycoons without economic penalties before that whole experiment goes up in smoke, IMO
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Zetsche is being naive. Don't forget the golden rule - he who has all the gold, rules.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    edited December 2011
    New Acura Sedan to be Built at Award-winning Plant in Greensburg

    The Acura ILX will join the TL sedan, ZDX crossover vehicle, and the MDX and RDX sport-utility vehicles as the fifth Acura model produced exclusively in North America. Acura finished second among all luxury brands in the J.D. Power and Associates' 2011 Initial Quality Study.

    Now, about that name... :sick:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Acura gave up a *lot* of equity in the names of their cars when they dropped Integra and Legend.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "This month, Honda Canada began receiving its smallest model, the Fit, from China instead of Japan, as part of a strategy to produce more vehicles outside its home country.

    “There’s been much talk about Chinese cars being sold in North America, but we hadn’t seen that yet,” said Michelle Krebs, a senior analyst with Edmunds.com, an automotive research Web site. “These are from a well-known, major global automaker, so that eliminates some of the challenges that face Chinese automakers.”

    In Canada, a Car Built in China (NY Times)
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I would be interested to see the Monroney sticker to compare with Japanese made units. The content may be quite close.

    Canada may be more receptive to a Chinese made known brand vehicle as there seems to be a larger Chinese population (proportionately) than in the US.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,531
    I was thinking the same thing re: Chinese population.

    However, from my experience, they don't embrace Chinese products - they love American and some European products. Not quite as rabid nationalism as one can find in Korea or Japan when it comes time to shop, anyway.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The beginning of the end?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    You'll know it's over when Harbor Freight starts stocking alternators and starters on their shelves.
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    Wow, I'd have to be awfully desperate to buy an alternator or starter from Harbor Freight. That place sells an awful lot of cheaply made junk IMO.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited December 2011
    Yep.

    But I've heard similar complaints about Walmart, Sears, Best Buy, RockAuto, NAPA, PepBoys.

    And sometimes you pay a premium and still get junk.
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    And sometimes you pay a premium and still get junk.

    That's probably true. I've always thought you'd get better parts from NAPA and had to be careful with parts from places like Autozone, particularly with things like alternators and starters etc.
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