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Toyota Camry Hybrid



  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 4,098
    "MSRP is $25,900"

    Do you have a URL for this?
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 4,098
    "That's a great example of pointless semantic arguing! Use whatever the heck label you want. In the end, they are still NOT THE SAME. "

    I was under the impression that the definition of gears had not changed since about the year 1700.

    "A toothed wheel that engages another toothed mechanism in order to change the speed or direction of transmitted motion"

    There are several such gears in the platetary gearset of the HSD, as can be seen on any diagram.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    If cargo space is that important, get a HLH and be done with it.

    Or wait for an Avalon Hybrid.

    You get room for 5 adults, studly resale value, 40MPG, V6 power, and you have to have 15 cubes in the trunk too? For only $25,900?

    Toyota needs to stop screwing you over! This is a travesty.

  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,432
    You get room for 5 adults, studly resale value, 40MPG, V6 power, and you have to have 15 cubes in the trunk too? For only $25,900?

    Two highly speculative numbers in your equation. First 40 MPG: If the numbers hold true for the TCH over the other Toyota hybrids. The TCH will probably get real world combined mileage of 33 MPG. Second the base price on a 2007 4C XLE is $25,005. That would mean the hybrid premium has gone down to only $895. Not a likely price difference.

    If you get any TCH for $30k the first year I would be very surprised. It will be very limited and that always brings out the "Just gotta have it" crowd.

    And a 10 cu foot trunk was a big complaint on the Accord Hybrid. I like the station wagon idea.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > And one reason I want to buy a new car is for more cargo space.

    "More" is a rather amusing term when it comes to trunk space. The Classic Prius appeared to have a smaller trunk than the bigger sedans. But in reality, it could hold more. The reason was simple, it was taller.

    So consider the cargo itself... which in many respects makes the Camry-Hybrid trunk much more practical than the model of Camry just a few years ago.

  • deweydewey Posts: 5,251
    You get room for 5 adults, studly resale value, 40MPG, V6 power, and you have to have 15 cubes in the trunk too? For only $25,900?

    You mean 10.5 cubes for the hybrid Camry and 15 for the non-hybrid. We need to replace my wife's car that can haul both our family and cargo . The hybrid Camry does well with the first need but not the second one. I might as well giving my 3 series to my wife since there is at least more ample trunk space.

    Also I am still looking for real world reviews where someone achieved 40MPG on a hybrid Camry.

    In fact a Prius really does sound more appropriate for our needs (plus better MPG).
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,432
    the Camry-Hybrid trunk much more practical than the model of Camry just a few years ago.

    How few years are you talking about? The 1985 Camry had a 14 Cu ft trunk.
  • Ok - here are the option prices. Only 4 factory options, but there will be some Port Installed Options (PIO) coming but that will mainly be floor mats, satellite radio etc...

    Destination/Transportation: $580

    Convenience Package (Heated Mirrors, Drivers and Passenger Seat Heaters): $470
    Heated Mirrors (stand alone): $30
    Navigation System: $1200
    Leather Package: $1300
    Sunroof: $940

    That means a fully loaded TCH with every factory option is $30,390. That makes us dealers very happy and means I will be buying one myself. We have been guessing around $33 or $34K. Also have been told to expect our first ones the last week in May.

    That is all of the info I have (except dealer cost figures but I'll let Edmunds release those). Post any questions I will try to answer them.

  • I received the prices via email from Toyota.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    :) Thanks
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Hybrid, Fully loaded cost: $30,390

    So it looks like a fully loaded TCH and fully loaded Camry V6 XLE is about the same price.

    I'll take the V6 XLE. Power over mpg for me. Plus, 10 cu. ft. of trunk space is unacceptable in a family sedan.
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,432
    fully loaded Camry V6 XLE is about the same price.

    You probably have a better shot at getting the color you want and a discount with the V6 XLE. The trunk would be a deal breaker for me also. I have big suitcases that barely fit in the LS400.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Choices are good. Enjoy.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > The 1985 Camry had a 14 Cu ft trunk.

    *HEIGHT* was the subject of discussion, not volume. (That reply is yet another example undermining.)

  • I have in my hands the Toyota Camry Launch Brochure, distributed by Toyota. Part number 00616-07CAM-FLY. It has 3 pages focusing on the Camry SE and 3 pages on the Hybrid. It clearly states that for the Hybrid the combined horsepower is 192HP and the MPG is 43/37.

    Now we get the press release today and horsepower has magically dropped to 187 and MPG dropped to 40/38.

    I'll take those 5hp and more importantly the 3MPG thank you. You can keep the bumper protector and the overpriced floormats.

    I bet those 3MPG put a HUGE dent in my Federal Tax Credit... :mad:

    I know the disclaimer says that these are preliminary estimates, but I expect more from you Toyota!

    Oh, and my outside mirrors better be heated, STANDARD...just like you have been saying all along, including today's press release.
  • njeraldnjerald Posts: 688
    Sorry, too bad!

    It's priced $500-1,000 less than I guessed.
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,432
    *HEIGHT* was the subject of discussion, not volume.

    I would have sworn that you responded to the lack of trunk volume in the new hybrid Camry. The 2005 Camry I rented had a 17 cu ft trunk. Very nice size, so I did not have to rent an Explorer. The 2007 is a bit disappointing with a smaller 14 Cu ft. The Hybrid version is downright small. I realize that a Prius has more room being a hatchback. I cannot get by the looks anymore than I could the Aztek. I prefer elegant lines to chopped up looking cars. The 2007 Camry looks good. It is a shame so much was given up in trunk space. If you feel that is undermining hybrids you are wrong. It is letting anyone that reads these threads, know my likes and dislikes. Not really important except to me.
  • njeraldnjerald Posts: 688
    While I agree with you in principle, let's talk facts, not roundoffs.

    2005 Camry 16.5 ft3
    2007 CE/LE 15.0 ft3
    2007 XLE 14.5 ft3 + no fold down seats

    I did notice in switching golf clubs between an '05 and '07 today that the trunk opening on the '07 isn't as wide due to the aero curving at the back end. Not a problem, just an observation.

    While the Prius isn't as ugly as the Aztek, it is not great looking.
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978

    Still don't understand gears. Here is some very basic 101 reading to help you out:

    The Toyota Prius does have gears.



    P.S.- Debate with Honda, Honda calls the new Civic Hybrid a "full" hybrid. I think Honda might just know a little bit more than you!
  • Question: How does one get the color and factory-installed options they want on a TCH when it is newly released without waiting too long? I have heard that some stores will get 2-3 a month except for in the high interest markets which will get more. I am in SE Ohio which I assume is a low interest market. Will they just ship colors / options that are most popular in that region at first, or popular colors with every option to get you to buy more options that you planned? e.g., I don't want sunroof but want convenience + leather (not sure about nav).

    Last year I negotiated a price with a local dealer and then ordered an '06 TC with exactly what I wanted. They had a list of what was in the pipeline to their region and if the one matching what I wanted had been on the list they could have steered it to their dealership. It wasn't so they placed the order with Georgetown. Five weeks later it arrived with everything I wanted but the dealer had put down the wrong color code. So I backed out of that deal, and ultimately decided to wait for the 07 TCH. I assume none of that process will apply to the cars coming from Japan - correct?

    I don't want to fly somewhere else to get a car, which seems to be an option some people choose.
  • njeraldnjerald Posts: 688
    Japan? Where did that come from?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    From May through Nov all the TCH's will be from Japan.. KY production doesnt start til 4th Qtr. Then at full production, ~8000 / mo, half will be from Japan and half from KY.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Depending on your 'need' for one right away...

    I'd estimate that for the first 6 months shipments/sales will be ~ 4000/mo for all 1700 stores in NA. That's your 2-3 monthly. I will tend to agree with you that if the sales parallel the Prius CA will get 5 times as many as 2nd place VA... then MA, NY/NJ, FL, TX.

    In The Dayton area you might have several stores with one each for the first several months. Getting what you want and having it this summer may not be likely. When KY production kicks in at the end of the year.. go to Cinci or Lexington which are 'out the back door' so to speak.
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,432
    let's talk facts, not roundoffs.

    I used the EPA site where they rate the 2005 trunk at 17 cu ft. Edmund's says 16.7 cu ft. 15 cu. ft is still going backward in my opinion. A 9-10 cu ft trunk is a sub-compact size.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,251
    Huh huh,

    it appears Toyota is already addressing my concern about trunk space.

    Toyota appears ready to use some of Georgtown's capacity for a tall station wagon.

    So this may mean there will be a Camry version of a wagon down the road. A hyrid Camry wagon would definitely improve the 10.5 cubic feet of cargo space in the sedan.

    Also it appears Camry owners are not getting younger:

    The average age of a Accord buyer is 42
    The average ago of a Camry buyer is 52
    The overall average age of a Buick buyer is 62

    For more details read the link below:

    link title
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    I'm surprised at you! :confuse:

    You take my commentary far too lightly, D. You should know better.

    Our Reviewer's Corrected 2007 Camry Hybrid Mileage

    Because of the low fuel economy readings in my test of the Toyota Camry Hybrid, I asked for, and received, the car for a quick weekend of re-testing.

    We drove the car to my daughter's, a trip of 375 miles, more than four times the mileage of the original test.

    My mileage in this second test was 37.4 mpg, and it consisted of mostly highway miles, not the hybrid's ideal environment since they usually do better in urban driving. According to the onboard computer, I nudged over 40 mpg with cruise control set at 70 mph for one stretch.

    I feel this is a closer indication of the kind of mileage one might expect with the Camry Hybrid, not the mid-20 mpg I achieved in my original test.

    So Sorry...but thanks to the sharpest Internet audience, I have been corrected.

    John Heilig>

    Plus this by

    2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid First Drive
    All Camry, with a compact appetite
    by Brian Chee

    What’s New? The 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid offers all the upgrades of the redesigned 2007 model, with a more fuel-efficient powertrain…and a few extras.
    Selling Points: The best-selling car in America now gets close to 40 mpg
    Deal Breakers: Offered only as a more expensive trim, pricing out CE and LE buyers
    Our Advice: The best of all worlds, if you’re willing to pay for it

    MEET THE COMPETITION 2006 Honda Civic Hybrid First Drive
    2005 Hybrid Comparison
    Toyota Highlander Hybrid Road Test

    RELATED LINKS 2007 Toyota Camry Photo Gallery
    2007 Toyota Camry First Drive

    PALM SPRINGS, Calif. – It’s coming, and for those locked down in the frigid winter weather, it can’t get here soon enough: summer heat, the kind that puts sweat glands into overdrive and makes life a damp, day-to-day grind.

    But it sure beats scraping ice off a windshield.
    At least on the hot days to come, you can escape the blazing sun with treats that take your mind off the slow burn. Nothing beats vanilla ice cream for chasing the blues away on a hot, sweaty day. But order that sundae with multiple flavors and it runs together into a big, tasteless melting blob of color – the frozen dessert equivalent of sensory overload. Consider, too, all the things you can do with vanilla – and the ice cream will actually accentuate your creativity.

    Just like a cone of vanilla on a sweltering summer day, there are few cars out there that refresh quite like the Toyota Camry. It’s big enough, powerful enough, priced right, stays in one piece, rarely gives its owners any trouble, and the good taste hangs around for a nice long time. Changing such a successful recipe is a dicey game to play, so when Toyota went about redesigning the 2007 Toyota Camry, it did so with a surgical touch. The result is a better version of vanilla, and now there’s even a hybrid flavor – which is like getting all the taste of the best vanilla ice cream but with half the calories. Few people can say no to something like that, and Toyota is ready to prove it with a 2007 Camry Hybrid that represents the next stage of this burgeoning technology.

    First, there was the Honda Insight, a nice little car that used gasoline like a debutante sips lemonade. Then the Toyota Prius and the Honda Civic came along, proving that people would pay more for the technology. A strange experiment with V6 engines was next up, one that left most of us cold. Now it’s the Camry’s turn, and we’re getting warm fuzzies.

    The 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid is a compelling combination that matches the treats found in America’s best-selling car with our growing need for fuel economy and our lust for power – at least enough to make us feel alive on the road. At an average of about 38 miles per gallon in combined city and highway travels, a virtually transparent driving experience and a combined horsepower rating of 192, the 2007 Camry Hybrid puts it all together. It’s the car with the right answers to most of our motoring questions, except, perhaps this sticky remaining query: will the Average Joe be able to afford one?

    Questioning my verasity is always....questionable. ;)

  • deweydewey Posts: 5,251
    I know Doc, I should take you a bit more seriously and start taking those prescribed pills you gave me :P

    The evidence you provided shows the merits of owning a Camry hybrid. I am not denying that at all.

    BUT as I mentioned in an initial post any hybrid sedan is quite useless for someone who values cargo/trunk space.

    Your veracity is intact . But I do seriously question your views on Lexus, BMW and MB, but that is definitely a discussion for another forum ;)
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    I will provide the further counseling you need on the rest of the auto industry as we go along this Spring. :)

  • You all guessed too high, lower than I was thinking also, is this car going sell like hotcakes or what? Here you go.

    If link is bad go to money dot cnn dot com

    I see prius like waiting list for the next 2 years on this car! Is toyota going to kill GM or what? Toyota always say we don't want to be number one, yea right. :)
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Post #850 .. Camry 2007 forum
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