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Toyota Camry Hybrid



  • deweydewey Posts: 5,251
    Every headline I see about the Hybrid Camry says the same thing:

    The hybrid Camry priced 5k below the hybrid Accord

    Ouch for Honda!
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 4,098
    "Every headline I see about the Hybrid Camry says the same thing:

    The hybrid Camry priced 5k below the hybrid Accord

    Ouch for Honda!"

    I suspect we may see an I4 Accord Hybrid in the near future...
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Honda's statements I believe lead me to believe that they are going more toward diesel and otber technology.

    Dollars to donuts the I4 HAH never appears. It would neither be as powerful nor as efficient as the TCH. In the same way the HCH is less by a degree or two than the Prius the I4 HAH will be that way with the TCH. That's not a comparo Honda wants to see. Now subject to sudden secret improvements in the IMA it might occur. But not as it exists today.
  • jtdpxjtdpx Posts: 19
    According to Toyota's website, the Camry hybrid component warranty is 15 yr./150,000 miles for California and those several other states that have similar emissions requirements. Question: For California, etc. is the 2006 Prius still 10 yr./150,000 miles for the hybrid components? I believe Toyota customer service thinks so. The battery for both is 10 yr./150,000 - again for California, etc.
  • crv16crv16 Posts: 205
    I think this might be the most compelling hybrid to date - definately a much better idea than the Accord Hybrid.

    First of all - it's priced fairly well. It's only $825 more than the XLE 4 cylinder. The XLE 4 cyl with stability control has a sticker of $25,655. The Camry Hybrid, which has stability control as standard equipment, stickers for $26,480 With tax incentives, that premium should drop to just about nothing.

    If the real world fuel economy is in the mid to high 30's, it will easily pay for itself.

    It's very curious why there is such a small price premium on the Camry, yet such an outrageous premium for the Highlander Hybrid.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    The HH was essentially just a tagalong to the introduction of the Lexus 400h. However @ $33500 it's just $2500 higher than the ICE 4WD Highlander.... comparing stickers not transactions. The Camry has benefited from an additional year of cost cutting and design as well.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,251
    A bigger V6 RAV4 with a third row of seats makes the highlander seem a bit redundant.

    The current HH is a dated model and definitely needs to be re-skinned and re-engineered. Selling a premium priced hybrid version of a dated model is unfortunately a tough sell.

    IMO Toyota should be guided by the FT-SX concept for it's upcoming Highlander as pictured below:


    I am sure a reasonably priced hybrid highlander that resembles the above vehicle would sell just fine.
  • crv16crv16 Posts: 205
    The Highlander Hybrid seems to be at least $5,000 more than a comparably equipped Highlander.

    The Camry Hybrid is only $825 more than a comparably equipped Camry XLE
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I stand corrected. The price difference between an HH and an ICE V6 is about $5000. I'm assuming that it's one of the lessons that they learned over this last year. I'd expect the next iteration to be the 2.4L Hybrid at a lower price point.

    If the 3.5L 268 hp ICE next year goes for ~$31000 I think a 2.4L HH will be in the same range.. not $36000. Your choices then would be
    268 hp and FE values in the 22 mpg range combined, or
    192 hp and FE values in the low 30's combined.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 4,098
    "Now subject to sudden secret improvements in the IMA it might occur. But not as it exists today."

    Funny you should mention this, I don't think that the Accord has put in the new technology electric motor yet. That would yield more power.

    Plus, they could also put electric motors directly on the wheels - which is a different implementation, of course.
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978

    LOL So you won't respond when you are wrong! But yet, you freely accuse other peopel of undermining and semantics.

    Have a good day! I hope your Prius is still trouble free and getting you great mileage. If I were to choose right now, the Camry Hybrid would be my overwelming choice; it does everything very well with its HSD gears!

    Cheers and Be Cool,

  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    Already did respond. What are you talking about? You may call them gears... as I clearly have said twice now.

    That still doesn't change the fact that they don't operate the same way. It also doesn't change the fact that making this personal is clearly not constructive, even more evidence of undermining.

  • njeraldnjerald Posts: 688

    Poor Babies.
  • jtdpxjtdpx Posts: 19
    According to the Toyota Website the Hybrid has one extra feature item - the VDIM for safety, an important integrates ABS, EBD, VSC, etc. in a more "coordinated" fashion. Of course, it gets much better mileage (39 mpg. vs. 28 mpg, combined)and has more power.

    The XLE has integrated fog lamps, dual exhaust, reclining back seat, manually retractable rear window sunshade, sliding center armrest and trunk luggage box. Not sure about the digital clock (hybrid - does it have it?). Has larger trunk.

    According to Edmunds - fully loaded 4 cyl. XLE is $28.5K. Fully loaded Hybrid is $30.3K.

    Hybrid is looking like a great deal, with or without the tax rebate.
  • njeraldnjerald Posts: 688
    The 4 cyl XLE only has single exhaust.

    XLE also includes illum. visor mirrors, power passenger seat,wood trim, tachometer, better handling (less weight) and alarm that you didn't mention.

    Hybrid has Smartkey, LED taillights and blue tinted headlights that you didn't mention.

    Those should be the major feature differences

    Real $ difference with XLE at $300 over invoice and Hybrid at MSRP - about $4,200.

    I can't justify the Hybrid based on fuel savings and I can't use any possible tax incentive.

    If I kept it for 8 years and ignored the time value of money it would make sense.
  • gampagampa Posts: 78
    O.K... you got our attention... where are you getting a new Camry XLE for $300 over invoice?

  • njeraldnjerald Posts: 688
    Toyota of Kirkland (Internet Sales Mgr.) in Seattle area.

    All contact by email, got the price + T&L, went over signed the papers and was gone in 15 minutes.

    No pressure to buy coatings, maintenance, extended warranty or other dealer add-on crap.

    A guy I referred to them is getting the same deal. He picks his XLE V6 up manana.

    I also had quotes for $400, $500 and $600 over dealer invoice from other area dealers.

    Got my Toyota extended warranty (84/100,000/0 deductible Platinum Plus) from an east coast dealer for $880. Not worried about the engine and transmission but all the electronics, power features and engine system parts. Just an insurance policy that I wouldn't have purchased for more than $900.

    Just put on my mudguards. Next the SE trunk spoiler!
  • gampagampa Posts: 78
    Looks like Internet Selling is now the way to buy cars...

    Here's my price... do you want the sale?.. If not... NEXT!!!!

    I like it!

    Saves me three hours of stress in the dealership.

  • njeraldnjerald Posts: 688
    It's been that way for 10 years.

    No stress and no waste of time if the salesman doesn't have to tell you what you need or try to sell you what he has.

    Welcome to the party!!!

    EBAY is also the largest car sales company in the world. Great deals there too.
  • What is your prediction on how long it will take to be able to negotiate a price closer to invoice than to MSRP for the TCH?
  • What are the potential downsides of buying a TCH at a location that isn't local?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Guesstimate and answer to your two quesitons:

    A) Guesstimate - 12 months to come off sticker at your local store. If it's as wildly popular as the Prius then 36 months. Close to invoice? probably not at your local store unless there is some unforeseen flaw in the vehicle or marketing ( HH sold as a V8 ) which doesnt seem likley.

    If OTOH you are willing to travel and buy one on a vacation then you might search the internet and find bargains almost right away. While in SoCal there were $3000-5000 surcharges on the Prius in other areas at the same time they were discounted $500-1000. YRMV

    2) Answer. There is little downside to buying out of your locality as long as you are comfortable with the store you are dealing with. If your local store offers incentives to buy from them but you buy elsewhere then you lose those, and vice versa. From SE VA I've had Prius clients from Niagara Falls ( 2 ), NYC, Pensacola, San Diego!! Several E Coast stores do you at the airport with the papers and you drive away from there.
  • Who are some of the top Toyota dealers in the DC, VA, MD, NC areas (and relatively easy to reach from out of area) that have solid internet businesses with great prices?
  • These may be dumb questions but I have never used navigation.
    1) Does the nav screen also display info related to hybrid engine, e.g mode, FE, what power systems are in use that instant, etc? Does it display MORE info than the dash guages in a non-nav-equipped car? or just differently? or not at all?
    2) Does the nav screen get used for any audio purposes or is the audio system completely separate? (e.g. radio station, cd title/track info)
    3) If you get an after-market interface to connect IPOD to OEM audio system via aux input, does nav screen show any of the audio info?
    4) for the hands-free cell phone use using Bluetooth, is the nav screen used in any capacity?

    The common theme of all these questions: other than display nav info/maps, what else does having the nav screen add, if anything?
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    4 straight hours with the same sales person; especially at month end and especially if the car is on the lot.
  • njeraldnjerald Posts: 688
    4 straight hours with the same sales person; especially at month end and especially if the car is on the lot.

    That would be a waste of 3 hours and 45 minutes!!!!!!!!!!
  • MidCow - to clarify: are you saying that even with the new TCH in potentially high demand, that if you want to buy the one already on the lot, that there would be room for negotiation below MSRP without waiting until the end of the year or until initial demand backs off? Thanks.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    It seems that the Camry hybrid's premium over a comparably equipped XLE is about $1000, or maybe even less when comparably equipped.

    The problem is, you HAVE to get and pay for all these features when you get the Camry hybrid.

    So if they really want to appeal to the masses and help the masses save gas, why don't they make a Camry hybrid with the same equipment levels as the volume LE?

    It would be popular with people who don't necessarily want stuff like Push button start and fancy stereo (and there are a lot of them, seeing as how the LE is by far the best seller), and is just interested in saving gas.

    It seems to me that a Camry hybrid with the exact same equipment as the 4 cyl. LE and priced at about $1000 higher would just sell in droves.
  • njeraldnjerald Posts: 688

    They'll sell as many as they want just as they are and make more money on each one with the extra margin on the options and accessories.

    You are definitely not a business person.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Oh I am sorry, Mr. CEO, CFO, and COO all rolled into one.

    I'm sure that you know exactly what the optimum profit points are at Toyota Motors.

    If you know anything about business, you would know that companys do not always make business decisions that optimize profits, both present and future. In fact, it is very difficult to do so.

    There's a reason why car companies sell cars without all the bells and whistles.

    Oh wait, I'm not a business person like you, so who am I to speculate. :blush:
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