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Kia owners should be proud of their rigs, I know I am!
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
The Tahoe's are nice and I can see why they are selling well, but things will get intersting when the updated Expedition comes out with later this year. I'm sure a new Sequoia is on the way too.
As for my next vehicle, I have no idea. To much to choose from. If I decided to replace my burb, I'll seriously look at the 07 Suburban and the extended Expedition. The Expedition has my attention 'cause it has a higher tow rating and the 6speed auto will be across the line, along with the fact that Fords 5.4 has more torque at lower rpm than GM's 5.3, which is more important to me since we tow our boat a lot.
My wifes job maybe changing which means she'll lose her company car for 6 mos. to a year, so we need a short term ride, or something I'll want to drive once she gets another CC. The options are wide open on what to get. I've been considering everything from a G35 coupe to an 07 Camry SE. My wife's been mentioning a convertible, so the VW EOS looks nice and a Mustang GT rag top will be on the list as well. The G6 convertible looks like it might be nice, but @ $30k we'll go with the Mustang. My wife's doesn't like the G6 at all for whatever reason.
I don't really understand why the Explorer sales are droping like a rock and the Trailblazer is not.
My Gawd Motor Trend bashed it pretty bad pal. It also bashed the Mountaineer. BTW- Look at the price for a
Eddie Bauer :surprise:
The Explorer is more attractive IMO. Better powertrain w/v8, 6speed, 3rd row availability and much better tow capacity/performance.
The GMers will be nicer and one-up the explorer
The new Explorer offers as much tow capacity as my Suburban, pretty impressive.
I want to see how easy it is to push that gutless wonder through the hills. A typical Ford Fault is having all it's power down low. Dodges are getting better at mixing it up. GM has the perfect combination, and you won't get 3 mpg. either
The Tahoe's are nice and I can see why they are selling well, but things will get intersting when the updated Expedition comes out with later this year. I'm sure a new Sequoia is on the way too.
If it's anything like the lackluster Explorer, Ford will get it's butt handed to them. You can't build gutless engines such as the 5.4 and call it good enough.
As for my next vehicle, I have no idea. To much to choose from. If I decided to replace my burb, I'll seriously look at the 07 Suburban and the extended Expedition. The Expedition has my attention 'cause it has a higher tow rating and the 6speed auto will be across the line, along with the fact that Fords 5.4 has more torque at lower rpm than GM's 5.3, which is more important to me since we tow our boat a lot.
As my Grandpa still says
"Get the Chains out" !!!!
My wifes job maybe changing which means she'll lose her company car for 6 mos. to a year, so we need a short term ride, or something I'll want to drive once she gets another CC.
I'm sorry to hear that Diesel
The options are wide open on what to get. I've been considering everything from a G35 coupe to an 07 Camry SE. My wife's been mentioning a convertible, so the VW EOS looks nice and a Mustang GT rag top will be on the list as well. The G6 convertible looks like it might be nice, but $30k we'll go with the Mustang. My wife's doesn't like the G6 at all for whatever reason.
Wait until this fall and buy ya a 2007 CTS.
Convertibles for the Diesel....hmmm....Mustang GT a good choice. I like the G6 hardtop which is the most affordable hardtop on the market and you could probably get one out the door for $25k. I'd take the Stang if you wanted a manual, since the G6 is auto-only :surprise:
G35's are very nice, w/ 6 speed manuel & especially with rear active steer
How soon do you need this vehicle ?????
Rocky
As for the Explorer's performance, a month or so ago Trailerboats mag did a tow test of a 5800lb boat with the Envoy w/ 5.3, Commander hemi, v8 Explorer, Nissan Pathfinder, and Toyota 4 runner v8.
When towing heavy loads, you want a low torque peak and agressive gearing. Ford's 4.6 and 5.4 both have torque peaks that are lower than GMs 5.3 and the 6 auto helps in the gearing department. The main reason the Expeditions have been slow is becuase of curb weight, they have been much heavier than GMs SUVs.
The Explorer had much better accerationn numbers over the DOD 5.3 powered Envoy towing performance. Even the 4.7 powered 4Runner posted better towing numbers. The mag mentioned what I've long complained about with my Suburban, the gear ratio spacing in the Envoy hamstrung it when towed up hills, and it was worse than the other v8 powered SUVs in that regard.
As for a replacement car. I have no idea where were heading. It really is up to my wife. She has owned several manual trans cars in the past so a 5 speed manual Mustang GT convertible would be cool. But at $30k plus, there are a lot of options.
Just don't get caught in a hailstorm :surprise:
Rocky
Sure but how many of them do 0-60 in 5 seconds?
True regarding the Mustang GT conv., not going to find another convertible that offers the performance for the $$. Finding a manual trans GT convertible in a few weeks time may be tough. The dealers around here mostly have autos (yuck).
The fastest car 0-60 for around $30K is the Mustang GT. Anyone got one faster :surprise:
Rocky
I'm sure in KC you'd beable to find one.
Rocky
I'm sure in KC you'd beable to find one.
True, both KC and Oklahoma City would be a good place to look.
Rocky
Rocky
Yep,
And no, they can't sit on our laps....LOL
I'm ordering an '07 Mustang GT coupe in December or January and have two small children. I already checked with others on a dedicated Mustang forum and many of them do fit one or two kids back there with and without car seats.
I don't know how old your kids are but I can't imagine many kids past the age of 13 being too terribly comfortable back there though. That's why we'll always have something larger like the '06 Explorer that's in the other garage space.
Rocky
Plus my thinking is, when the wife gets her company car back, the Mustang (or what ever we get) will be my car and I'll park the burb for Vacation/ boat towing duty only. That way I won't have to waste 40K plus on a new Suburban anytime soon.
Rocky
as long as gm uses a live rear axle in thir suv's, they will never match ford in packaging efficiency.
i think the '06 explorer is a step backwards form the '02-05 in some ways.
it is heavier, longer, and the third seat is not as roomy.
my '02 explorer is absolutely a happy camper at 80 mph all day long with 4 passengers and luggage. it has 'only' 239 hp.
based on edmunds pictures, from the 'b' pillar back, the new tahoe looks just like an expedition/explorer. not a bad idea.
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Rocky
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Everyone does but you get used to it. Shouldn't have to, but you do and it's not one of those things you say "Wow, that was quirky but now it makes perfect sense" to either.
A "cup" will be cut into the door mounted arm rest for MY07. It's primary use will be for opening and closing the door. Don't know if they'll be eliminating the other one though.
...and the Trailblazer looks better. NO question, the Explorer is a better rig all the way around, but it's awfully plain
I still think the Explorer looks better and is better all around. The big thing that got me about the Trailblazer was the extra cost for the longer model with the third row. My wife likes the Envoy but finding one with a third row in our price range was next to impossible. GM is really stupid to have two different sizes like they did.
Rocky
Rocky
Rocky
That's not engineering, again, Rocky, this is the cheapest way GM can try to get an edge on the competition. Maybe it'll work, it did with the Escalade. But I doubt it - the Trailblazer isn't an ego machine.
I'll take the latest track test results 0-60 in 6.5 MT up against your 8.5-9.5 second Expedition anyday pal.
BTW- Since your talking gas prices, look at the EPA figures of the Slade and Expedtion. Slade get's 21 or 22 mpg, while the Expedition get's that 12.5 figure. :P Neways this fall with the "state of the art" hybrid motor, the Slade will be over 30 mpg hwy :shades:
Rocky
However I see the "well-off" drive more Envoy Denali's than I see them drive EB Explorers. :surprise:
Rocky
As another said, I doubt it too. Sheetmetal does not a good vehicle make.
BTW the EXT got axed.
I'm aware but you can still find them on lots and probably will be able to for a while given how pathetic they are.
Have you driven a new Explorer? They're quite different from the last model.
Toyota earned my business this time with a well made vehicle. It provides decent MPG, has quality engineering and materials, and a decent resale value. Overall, it's value for my $$$ that earned my business. Some of the others may have been better in one way or another, but not as a total package.
Next time? I like the looks and concept of the Buick Enclave/GMC Acadia. I'll do my research and tests, again. If they pass the tests when it comes time to buy...
It already exists, there's several to choose from, and several more to come very soon.
Have you driven a new Explorer? They're quite different from the last model.
Yeah, and they drive just like our 2004 F-150's we use as vehicles at work
The Explorer like the Taurus, will meet it's doom :P J/K
I like the Explorer, but I feel reassured the GM crew will be better.
Rocky
If GM keeps the Enclave in concept trim, I might even buy one. :shades:
Rocky
#1 when you push your foot to the floor on the pedal of the Navigator, not much happens does it ? :P
#2 When you dip the pedal on the Escalade you get pinned into the seat, thus less MPG.
Really I've driven both also pal. I never got below 18 mpg on the hwy and I can't figure "why" you got 12.5 mpg unless you were doing #1 because it was so dang fun
Rocky
p.s.
like your carspace site
There is one area the Escalade did have it all over the Navigator though - it uses Regular gas.
Also, the HVAC in the Escalade was superior to the Gator's.
Thanks on the Carspace. It's been fun.
BTW- I was actually referring to 2007' model for the the "pinning to the seat" quote.
0-60 in 6.5 MT is pretty darn quick. I think with the perfect track conditions and a unbiased MT staffer holding the stop watch a 0-60 in 6.2-6.3 could be achieved. :shades:
Rocky
Rocky
I had a 2000 Explorer and know that the new model is a vast improvement in almost every way. To me, the poor MPG engine is the weakest link. I hope that Ford is working on their engines. They can't keep selling the 4.0 V6 (with improvements since 1991) with MPG the same or less than V-8s. The new 3V 4.6L V8 is nice, but hard to come by.
I also understand that the interior door pull handle was designed for safety testing. It needs revision. Did they not have study groups comment on this? If they did, they either didn't listen or the doors were opened and closed for the group.
I'm available for any manufacturer as a "buyer's quality" participant. I promise a fair and honest opinion of what I think and how their design will come across (good and bad). If they already have people like that, they either have the wrong people or they aren't listening to the feedback.
To be fair, I don't tow anything. It's just the wife and me with some light loads (groceries, luggage, the occasional trip to Lowes, and moving the daughter to/from her dorm).
We lived with minivans for years, but missed having a hood out in front of us. Car-based (cross-over) SUVs work for us.
We want something that will AVERAGE 30 MPG........