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2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Rocky
Rocky
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Rocky
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Rocky
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Rocky
And I had a heck of a time waking the neighbor :P
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Now that we have in-depth understanding of mr. snakeweasel's socioeconomic status, let's return to the subject alluded to in the discussion title.
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Rocky
Ah but seeing that I am still alive I must have lost that contest.
Back on topic I had the opportunity a little over a month ago to drive the Lincoln MKX. My wife fell in love with it and I have to say that I really liked the car. Depending on how things go that just might be the next car.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
To touch on the conversation topic though, very likely my next new car will be a Ford Fusion. It's not the MKZ, but it's close enough for now, especially with the full leather trim and interior upgrade.
WHAT IF.... someone offered a 1,000,000 prize to win a contest, drive the most miles in a car w/o doing a single maintenance task (no oil changes) All you could do was add gas, add air to tires, that's it.
If I wanted to win that million, I'd invest in a previous generation Toyota Camry, or Corolla in the UNDER 25K category.
The G6 is built on the Epsilon platform as is the Saturn Aura, the Cady CTS, and the Chevy Malibu. There's a lot of room in the G6 (except for rear head room). Got the 162HP 4 cyl with 4-speed auto, ABS, side curtain bags, remote start, sun roof, upgrade stereo, and a few other extras. Got it for MUCH less $$$ than Rabbit or Civic. Also has the 5year 100K mile power train warranty.
Is it perfect? No. Is it a good value? YES!
The 1990s were good years for those cars. I don't think they are that reliable anymore. Too much electronic crap to die. Many of the sensors that cause fits are required for emissions. So you are stuck. I went out looking for a clean late 90s model Camry. Not many around for sale.
But wow, there's something good! You didn't look at just domestics, or just imports, you looked at both. I think the G6 looks like a pretty good car. It doesn't seem to be talked about much, though. Do you like the interior? That's the one thing people complain about most, it seems. It's not really my style, but surely it's better than a Malibu's interior (blech, even in official photos it looks like an abhorrent pot o' plastics)
The CIVIC is a well made vehicle, but to small for us and a bit overpriced. The A-pillar creates a significant blind spot which probably depends on each driver's height/sitting position. Also, Honda sales still has close to that same smug attitude they had back in the '70s. We have the best product, so pay up or shut up. I told them that a honda product was worth more to me than a Pontiac. However, I was not going to pay full MSRP. They didn't seem to care, so we walked/drove next door to Pontiac.
Uh...with many manufactures those equipments are standard on ALL models, from "base" to top of the line.
I can't believe Dodge is still making cars that don't have power windows and locks. To me that is just unacceptable and I can't believe you are actually praising them for it.
Rocky
Isn't it a failure when car with $21K tag needs to be discounted to less than 75% of its price to get sold?
Comapared to Civic, it is a great bargain, as you get more stuff for less money. But something is broken if they had to go that low to get buyer's interest.
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Gosh, you are kinda like my dad that way. If it wasn't standard equipment he wouldn't have it.
I do have to admit power windows are nice on a four door car.
Yep, and it improves safety since you don't have to reach across the car while you are driving to roll down the window.
Rocky
Just like the Lacrosse was supposed to take on the likes of the TL and ES, it is now relegated to 17,9xx after cash back offers.
One thing consistant about GM cars is they consistantly fall short of expectations...
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061011/AUTO01/610110354/1148-
Rocky
I don't think adding weight and mechanical complexity as well as the pending repair cost is a great feature for some people. If you can't put down your cheeseburger or cell phone long enough to roll down the window... maybe there are other aspects to be examined.
Could be a success that they got a Civic buyer to step up for more content at less money.
Isn't it a failure when car with $21K tag needs to be discounted to less than 75% of its price to get sold?
The factory rebate was $2K or about 10%. The remaining discounts were dealer discount and GM Card Rebate. Yes, the bottom line is a substantial savings for me. I'd call that a success for me and GM did sell another car. So, call that whatever you want to call it.
Comapared to Civic, it is a great bargain, as you get more stuff for less money. But something is broken if they had to go that low to get buyer's interest.
The G6 was already on my short list. At one point, so were the Camry, Altima, Passat, Jetta, and Accord. GM made it to the short list and got the sale.
But there is something about the ability to hit a button and roll up your windows when you are driving down the road and it starts pouring without having to reach across the car or behind you (or both).
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
GM's expectations for a car don't really concern me. The G6 (so far) has met or exceeded my expectations. Time will tell if it will continue to pass or fail them.
Plus, with bigger cars it's sometimes hard to reach over to the passenger side to roll a window up or down. The only reason I can reach the passenger side on my DeSoto is because it doesn't have seatbelts, so I can kinda slide over. My '67 Catalina, with its 62.5" or so of shoulder room, is almost impossible to reach over. And I'm glad my pickup has power windows, because there's no way I'd be able to reach over to the passenger side.
My '68 Dart hardtop was just about perfect though. I could reach any of the four windows, while belted, with no trouble at all. And those older windows rolled down faster too. I think it's a combination of smaller windows and good old fashioned metal components. If you made those tape drive thingies today roll up and down that fast, they'd probably chew themselves up in record time.
The V6 G6 vehicles have hydraulic rather than electric steering. That may help resolve your concern. I didn't want a v6. I went to the dealership with an open-mind, but was still surprised with the G6. (I wouldn't have the Value Edition as you can't get ABS with it.) I also would prefer a 5- or 6-speed automatic. However, I don't want one if it comes with program errors (Camry).
GM would certainly do much better if the G6 had a better interior and a good 5 or 6 speed automatic. The GTP has the 3.6 V6 with 6-speed auto and seems to be selling quite well. Of course, it cost a few pennies more... Kind of in the same neighborhood as the Camry SE, the Altima SE-R, and the Accord EX.
But there is something about the ability to hit a button and roll up your windows when you are driving down the road and it starts pouring without having to reach across the car or behind you (or both).
Until the motor fails or it jams, like when you roll down the window to pay the guy at the parking lot and then it won't go back up...or it thankfully broke in the up position so you dont get rained on but have to open the door to use the drive up ATM or pay the parking guy...
I guess I have had these experiences and one similar to yours but I found mine to be more disruptive. In the spirit of full disclosure, both of our vehicles have power windows now. One of them is the hand-me down from my parents and the second one it was standard and has an extended warranty covering that component.
Rocky
Well when that happens I will let you know. To be honest you can have issues with hand crank windows too. I know I have had that happen, never with a power window yet just the hand cranks.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Your success, not theirs - they aimed for a guy willing to spend 21 grand and got one who was willing to spend only $15.5. Step up for you, step down for them - by their marketing dept. you were considered their target demographics for Cav.., sorry Cobalt.
GM made it to the short list and got the sale.
Why? Because it was so great, or because it was so cheap? And not really good cheap (i.e. their initial target price), but discounted cheap.
I'd call that a success for me and GM did sell another car.
Again - you missing the point. To measure their success, you need to think about their target and their achievement. Target - $21K, achievement - $15.5K. None of their major import competitors needs to discount that heavily to get their business. Would you buy G6 for their initial asking price $21K, given you had the money to spend? Camcord's success is based on people willing to shell out full price and still be happy about it. GM needs to put cash back and really heavy loyalty discount for you to get interested.
Anyway - congratulations to you - you got fantastic price and it is all that should count for you.
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In my '68 Dart, the part where the window attaches to the lift broke, so the window would remain upright when you tried to roll it down. And if you pushed it down it would fall all the way into the door and you couldn't get it back out. I fixed it with some spare nuts and bolts I found in my grandma's garage.
The passenger side window on my '79 Newport broke one of the teeth in the lift mechanism, so it wouldn't roll up all the way. If you opened the door and pulled the window up it would stay closed, but then wouldn't roll back down unless you pushed it with your hand to get it down past that first broken gear tooth. To be fair though, the car had about 240,000 miles on it by that time!
As for power windows, well I had two fail in my Gran Fury, and two fail in my '79 New Yorker. Actually, it turned out to be just a little plastic gear that broke apart in one of the NYer's windows. I know my pickup truck, which Granddad bought new in 1985, got a new driver's side window around 1991. A few years back the switch itself broke. That was about $40. And now, the window motor seems to be failing again. It'll still go up and down, but seems to have dead spots where you have to help it along. My grandparents bought an '85 LeSabre brand-new, and its window motors were all original when we got rid of it with 157,000 miles on it in 2002. I think one of the fronts was getting a little slow though.
And luckily, my 2000 Intrepid's window motors have all been fine. The driver's side makes a creaking noise sometimes, but it's been doing that for years.
So than I take it that any car that is sold for less than MSRP is a failure? So if the car stickers for 21K but sells for $20,999.99 it failed because it missed its mark. Maybe not as bad as if it sold for $15k but it still missed its mark.
Since most cars sell for below MSRP then by your standards most cars are failures (to one degree or another) simply because they failed to meet their mark.
Camcord's success is based on people willing to shell out full price and still be happy about it.
You can get Camcords for under MSRP so I guess they are failures because they missed their mark.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I certainly agree and have felt the same way for some time. I purchased my first vehicle ($200 used 1961 Ford Falcon) about 33 years ago. Since then, I've purchased 35 vehicles - used, then new vehicles. I know that I was taken on some. I also know that I normally won great deals.
Some time ago, I learned that buying cars is sort of like the stock market. Buy low - sell high! A few months ago was a super time to purchase a large SUV (if you wanted one), but not a 4 CYL car. Gas prices dipped, so I got the 4 CYL, we needed. A few months from now, we'll be back to a high demand for 4 Cyl cars.
Well enough of that "off topic" stuff. I've owned 11 Fords, 1 Mercury, 3 Chevys, 2 GMCs, 3 Pontiacs, 1 Saturn, 1 BMW, 1 Mercedes, 1 SAAB, 1 Plymouth, 2 Dodges, 2 Nissans, 5 Toyotas, and 1 Chrysler. This year, I purchased a 2006 Toyota Highlander in March and the 2007 Pontiac G6 this month.
I hope to take 2007 off for car buying and look forward to the 2008/2009 models.
In Prudhoe Bay Alaska we kept spare window cranks for our Ford and Chevy trucks and vans. They broke on a regular basis. Frozen windows are common. The electric ones would not go down sometimes when they froze. I have only had one window failure in my personal vehicles. It was a back window in my Suburban. It may have been bad from the factory. I did not realize it until it was a couple years old. Covered by warranty so no big deal. I like power windows and doors.
The power windows in the Turbo Shadow were both shot, which was a pain because neither the AC nor the heater worked. My 69 Charger had power windows, which were nice 'cause it was a big car. Both manual windows in the back of my 73 CJ Torino broke, so no, they aren't perfect ether...
As for the ubcompacts, has anyone lived with the SX4 for a little while? I'd consider one when the rebates start.
It is and thank you!
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D