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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,475
    if there was ever a case where you need pictures, this is it. So, i will assume that he skipped them on purpose, and it was not because he did not own a camera!

    but. it is not that expensive. And depending on what driveable means (can move in the driveway vs. no real reason it has to be fixed other than aesthetics), could even be fair.

    knowing what the average old car in that area looks like (a total rustbucket), if the mazda is not rusty and runs well, it still might be better than most of what you will find in that price range.

    most 1K cars you are lucky if they run, never mind run well.

    besides, you need to ask 1200 to have room to negotiate down to 900!

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,475
    even after reading this stuff, I barely understand what a thermocouple is, and I sure have no idea where to find one!

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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    If you figured out your total cost of ownership and divided that number by the number of times you filled your tank over the ownership period, you would realize that every time you stopped at a gas pump it cost you $500. or $600.

    What kind of car are you driving? Or just how big is your gas tank? A good rule of thumb is around 50 cents a mile some cars more some less. So I would think between $100 and $150 a tank.

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  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    edited January 2011
    even after reading this stuff, I barely understand what a thermocouple is, and I sure have no idea where to find one!

    It' s a bit smaller in circumference than a pencil, about 2 inches long, hangs down right next to the pilot light flame. Look for the pilot light flame and you'll see the thermocupler.

    It's basically a sensor to cut off the gas if problems should arise. If the pilot light is weak or goes out... the themocular cuts off the gas preventing an explosion should you enter the room and flip on a switch.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,475
    Well, I have learned something new today. Not that I have looked at a pilot light in the last 15 years in this house (auto ignition now, so does it even qualify as a pilot anymore?)

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  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Not that I have looked at a pilot light in the last 15 years in this house (auto ignition now, so does it even qualify as a pilot anymore?)

    I gather you're talking about a furnace that does not have as they say "a standing flame" which are the words that the industry uses to describe the old style water heaters and furnaces that have the old traditional pilots which also dictates that a thermocouple is used.

    I'd say pretty much all the furnaces that have been installed since the mid '90 that are the fuel efficient jobs have the newer style igniters that you can hear arching when the burner comes on. It arcs for a few seconds then automatically shuts off. If the gas doesn't ignite within those few seconds there is a problem and you need to call 'jip'.

    I saw a $700 water heater at Home Depot not to long ago that probably has the igniter because you had to hook up a 120 volt line to that beast. It's going to be a cold day in Hawaii before I spend $700 (todays money), without installation, for a 50 gallon water heater. :(

    jmonroe

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,689
    >I saw a $700 water heater at Home Depot not to long ago that

    How do you feel about the heat pump assisted water heaters by GE that were advertised heavily before Christmas? $1400 approx.

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  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    edited January 2011
    The electronic ignition serves the same function as a pilot light, which is igniting the gas to the main burners. The electronic ignition on newer furnaces uses a flame sensor... which is pretty much the same thing as the thermocupler. My newer Goodman model has the electronic ignition. But, I still have to clean off the flame sensor (thermocupler) a couple of times during the winter.
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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 267,189
    ..use thermocouples....

    Look at it this way.... the pilot light stays lit with a small amount of gas being fed to it. What happens if the pilot light goes out? If that small stream of gas kept being fed to it, without being burned off, it would accumulate until it blew your house up!

    But, the gas is being fed through the thermocouple... the thermocouple allows the flow of gas, as long as it is warm..... and, it's being heated by... the pilot light! So, when the pilot light goes out, the thermocouple cools down, and shuts off the flow of gas..

    At least that's the way I understand it...

    I tell you... it's no fun, standing in the basement in your underwear at 50F, sticking a long match into a furnace to light the pilot, squinting and cringing, turning your head, like that will save you if the whole thing blows up....

    I don't miss those days..

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  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    edited January 2011
    I tell you... it's no fun, standing in the basement in your underwear at 50F

    Put on a robe! You're making your stereotypical fellow Kentuckians look bad. :P ;)
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  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    edited January 2011
    How do you feel about the heat pump assisted water heaters by GE that were advertised heavily before Christmas? $1400 approx.

    I think it's going to take a loooong time to recoup the cost of the gas used by the "standing flame pilot" type of water heaters. Either that or the price of natural gas will have to go through the roof, literally.

    More tech is not always better and then I can only guess what the early reliability of that thing will be.

    jmonroe

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  • bolivarbolivar Member Posts: 2,316
    Regarding your dead radio. I think you already have the car at the dealer, and it's still under warranty. But if you ever want to 'try' something - the electronics in new cars are twitchie at the best. By disconnecting the battery, or pulling the radio fuse if you can easily identify and find it, the radio might start working when it gets power back.

    If you do this, you should look in the owners manual about what you might need to re-set if you pull the power. This is usually in the manual about replacing the battery. For one thing, the radio might have an anti-thief code that you will have to re-enter. Find this before you pull the power. You might also lose window indexing and auto up/down, radio presets, memory presets if you have these for seats and/or AC/heat, etc, etc, etc.

    On newer cars with lots of electrical options some of them just have a twitch, and after the power cycles, will work fine.

    Also, a failing battery can cause all kinds of strange displays and error messages. If the cars computers are getting reduced voltage, all kinds of things may happen, even if the battery has enough power to start the car.
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    basement in your underwear at 50F, sticking a long match into a furnace to light the pilot, squinting and cringing, turning your head, like that will save you if the whole thing blows up....

    That is a funny picture but probably happened a lot of times. I just hope if it does explode there won't be pictures in the paper the next day.

    I had a job at a resort when I was 16. I had to show the people to their cabin and then light their heaters....turn up the gas, stick a long match inside and make sure it worked. I didn't want to blow us all up so I just told the people what to do and left them the match. I didn't last too long at that job.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    For one thing, the radio might have an anti-thief code that you will have to re-enter

    Thanks for trying to help but it sounds like you could do more harm than good. I can just imagine the bill you get when the dealer tells you he has to reprogram everything...that's if you can get the car to the dealer.

    I drove a Kia rental car and it just had basic stuff, a radio, air conditioner, power windows...not much to go wrong and it was a nice little car. Just no feel of the road.....a steep price to pay for the feel of the road.

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  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    edited January 2011
    I tell you... it's no fun, standing in the basement in your underwear at 50F, sticking a long match into a furnace to light the pilot, squinting and cringing, turning your head, like that will save you if the whole thing blows up....

    LOL, you should be a writer. I could practically see you down there in that dark basement fumbling and cringing around that potentially explosive furnace. Or maybe it is because I have been there a few times myself.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,054
    By disconnecting the battery, or pulling the radio fuse if you can easily identify and find it, the radio might start working when it gets power back.

    I used to do this on my 06 Avalon when the CD changer would act up. It is a good rule of thumb today with anything electronic to do a "power cycle" and see if it works when it powers back up. My Sony TV needs a power cycle every once in a while. It's been that way since it was new.

    As for J's Genny there is a known problem with the 09s Tech Package Amp. His symptoms are what many owners have experienced. Hyundai will step and replace the part, if they see it in the "not working" state.

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  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Regarding your dead radio.

    …If you do this, you should look in the owners manual about what you might need to re-set if you pull the power. This is usually in the manual about replacing the battery. For one thing, the radio might have an anti-thief code that you will have to re-enter. Find this before you pull the power. You might also lose window indexing and auto up/down, radio presets, memory presets if you have these for seats and/or AC/heat, etc, etc, etc.


    Because of everything you mentioned, especially the etc's, etc's, etc's... I was not going to play with the car while it is still under warranty. Once it’s out of warranty and I’m on my own I will then have to deal with any and all resets at that time. Who knows, I might just dump the Genny for an Equss by then. :D

    FWIW, everything has been fine for 2 days now.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    edited January 2011
    Once it’s out of warranty..., I might just dump the Genny for an Equss by then.

    Will be interesting to see what Genny goes for by then... maybe a couple grand with the busted radio, 50 bucks more if you get it fixed. Those "throwaway" Hyundais just don't hold their value very well ya know. ;) :P
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  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Keep me in ind if you sell that Genny... I know it will at least be well waxed.

    Where is Richard? It's been quiet...
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  • gogiboygogiboy Member Posts: 732
    edited January 2011
    "It makes you wonder about people who would pay $30000 for a car to show their support for the guy....and travel half way across the country to do it."

    Driver--

    If the Packer fans live in Milwaukee, Kenosha or Racine the driving distance to Chicago is only 1 1/2 hours or less, which certainly is less time and distance than a number of our forum members have traveled to get a particular car or good deal or both. When lived in Milwaukee I made that easy drive numerous times--but never to buy a car.

    That said, I wouldn't make the trip because of allegiance to a team, but, then, I'm not a rabid sports fan. It also seems that a compromise could have been struck between salesman and manager, but perhaps both are taking their cue from congress.

    Gogiboy
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,253
    http://albany.craigslist.org/cto/2182948723.html

    Sure, the motor runs a little rough but you can't beat the price. :lemon:

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  • gogiboygogiboy Member Posts: 732
    We have home and auto insurance with one of the large, mainstream companies. Recently, we were contacted by an agent from another mainstream insurer and then offered a comprehensive quote. The auto insurance costs were nearly identical--maybe $50 difference per 6 months. The cost breakdown was what I found curious. Company #2 essentially reversed the premiums for our 2007 Mazda3 and 2010 Scion xB. Company #1 had us paying more for the Mazda3 and company #2 had us paying more for the Scion xB (which makes more sense because of model year (both cars cost approximately the same amount).

    I have to admit I am scratching my head as to how these insurers arrive at their policy costs. I know that they use actuarial number crunching, still...

    On the other hand, Company #2 was $700 less/year for an almost identical policy on our home. I sent my wife to our current insurer to ask for an explanation.

    Gogiboy
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    My Sony TV needs a power cycle every once in a while. It's been that way since it was new.

    I got my Sony LCD TV in January 2006 and I have not had that problem. However, just last month (December 29, 2010) the lamp for that thing went out. While it is an LCD, in that era it was still a projection type TV. It’s not near the size of the older projection units (I’d say it’s about 15 inches deep compared to the beast that my brother has that’s at least 3 1/2 feet deep) but it still has a lamp. If I went to Sony that thing would have been $200 plus about $18 shipping but I found a place on-line that had the original Sony lamp for $94 including shipping.

    I wanted to use that burned out lamp as an excuse to go get a new 1 inch thick 55 inch Samsung LED job but I wasn’t allowed. :cry:

    jmonroe

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  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    edited January 2011
    Those "throwaway" Hyundais just don't hold their value very well ya know.

    I understand that because of the price bracket that the Equss is in that puts it into the Benz and BMW class so no throwaway for that baby. Plus it sounds like I already have an Edmunds buddy that wants the Genny but he might have that hinging on a will contract with Richard. :P

    jmonroe

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,054
    While it is an LCD, in that era it was still a projection type TV.

    I have the same type of set (50"). I am waiting for my bulb to go. The TV is just about 5 years old on the original bulb. I ordered one for my GF's mother recently and it came in around $79 but that was an aftermarket. She never shuts the darn thing off so she goes through bulbs quite frequently.

    You can also save money by replacing just the lamp, not the entire housing. It just takes a few mins to swap the bulb to the old housing.

    I wanted to use that burned out lamp as an excuse to go get a new 1 inch thick 55 inch Samsung LED job but I wasn’t allowed.

    I thought about replacing mine, however, I still get compliments from people when they see the picture on it. I have a 60" Sony XBR in the basement too and I just love that TV. Its about 6 years old now and looks better than some of the newer sets.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    If the Packer fans live in Milwaukee, Kenosha or Racine the driving distance to Chicago is only 1 1/2 hours or less,

    Gogi, I think some of them were coming from California and all over the country. Seems the salesman was pretty good and had sold 14 cars the previous month. The owner of the dealership should have suspended him for one day and told him not to wear the tie.

    He has been offered a job at another dealership.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Sure, the motor runs a little rough but you can't beat the price

    I checked the link and the ad has been removed! :sick:

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    I wanted to use that burned out lamp as an excuse to go get a new 1 inch thick 55 inch Samsung LED job but I wasn’t allowed.

    We had one of those Sony's too and I replaced the first bulb at a cost of about $250, then when it went again less than a year later...I said this TV is going. I can get a much better new 50 inch slim TV, HD with all the bells and whistles for less than $1500 and over ten years it will cost $150 a year...and getting the front panel off that Sony wasn't easy. The repairman said think of it as snapping a bumper off of an old Honda, because you really have to push and pull to get it off.

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  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    I have the same type of set (50"). I am waiting for my bulb to go. The TV is just about 5 years old on the original bulb.

    I don’t know how many hours a day your TV is on but I read in the manual that the bulb lasts on average about 5 years. Then my use is dead on that average because I bought the set the first week of January 2006 and the bulb died on 12-29-10. I read in the manual that you could get a warning via a blinking red light on the front of the set or it could just die all at once. Mine died all at once. Had I got the warning I would have bought the bulb when I saw the blinking red light but I wasn’t one of those lucky ones.

    The funny thing about this is we had people over for New Years Eve so I had to bring the 37 inch Toshiba LCD (about 1 1/2 thick, bought in December 2008) that is in the office down to the family room just to watch the ball drop. But I don’t remember seeing a ball this year. Maybe I had too much Kool-Aid.

    You can also save money by replacing just the lamp, not the entire housing. It just takes a few mins to swap the bulb to the old housing.

    That’s what I thought too but when I looked on-line there were some places that were selling the bulb for what I paid for the whole assembly and some were charging more. :confuse: Typical internet stuff, you can’t bite on the first site that pops up. There were a few sites that charged about $5 less for bulb than my assembly price so I just bought the whole assembly.

    I thought about replacing mine, however, I still get compliments from people when they see the picture on it.

    That sounds familiar. When I said I should dump this thing before it goes through more $100 bulbs she said, “almost everyone that sees the picture on that set thinks it’s pretty good so go get a bulb”. :(

    ‘driver’…changing the bulb on my set takes only 5 minutes. You just remove a cover on the back right side of the set, pull out an assembly and insert a new one. No tools required and it’s up and running pretty quickly. I recommend doing this because you get a “feel of the TV” that you could never get any other way. :D

    FWIW, the Sony number for my bulb is XL-2400. OK everybody go shop my price of $94. I’m sure there is one dealer out there that can beat that price. :) I poked around for about 15 minutes to get that price and I didn’t feel like spending any more time than that.

    jmonroe

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  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    $94. sounds unrealistic to me. You are probably just making the whole thing up. Any doc fee you are leaving out? Tax and title? Extended warranty?

    You are raising the expectations of others who need to buy a bulb and just think of the heartache bulb salesmen will suffer whilst trying to temper those unrealistic expectations. ;)

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,475
    I have the same style set as Jmonroe. My first bulb lasted either 2 or 3 years, which disappointed me. I got the replacement at a local store that sells/services TVs. price was about the same, but I could get it that day, and discuss with the techy guy how to put it in (which turned out to be very simple).

    relating this to cars, at some point it will be like getting a part for your older Audi. No one will carry them, so you have to throw out the TV because a bulb burned out.

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  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,618
    Where is Richard? It's been quiet...

    I was wondering the same thing.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,475
    there was snow/ice again down south, so probably powerless for the last week.

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  • jwilliams2jwilliams2 Member Posts: 910
    edited January 2011
    Here you go.....xl-2400 TV Lamp $80.10
    Use Discount Code LFL10. Easy Install - Complete Unit
    www.lampsfor.tv :P

    I remember my last 27" console TV, couldn't wait for it to finally go out so i could "upgrade". Went out of town for 3-4 days, when I got back the then wife says "the TV went out...so I called someone and they replaced the picture tube...only cost $425..." :sick:
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    I recommend doing this because you get a “feel of the TV”

    That's funny. Mine was the first edition of that set and you have to peal off the front panel without breaking it.

    I see 50 inch LCDs for about $1000 and they will probably last at least 20 years so if another bulb goes I'd get a new one...averages out to $50 a year.

    They say the bulb will last 5 years, but if you read the book it is 3000 hours w3hich is a few hours a day. It also depends on the brightness setting...there are 3 and you wouldn't want to use the lowest.

    I hope you get another 5 years out of it or more. I think it was a good attampt at making a lighter 50 inch TV, but the technology became obsolete very quickly.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Where is Richard? It's been quiet...
    I was wondering the same thing.


    Me too! Hope the SRX didn't break down somewhere.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    s "the TV went out...so I called someone and they replaced the picture tube...only cost $425.

    That's funny! Few things are worth fixing these days. The computer repair guy charged $180 to get a 5 year old computer going and he wanted another $150 to put in more memory. I told him to forget it...got a brand new one with 5X the memory he was going to put in for $500!

    Buy new, get a warranty, use it for 5 or so years, average out your yearly cost to own....come out way ahead.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,475
    yeah, if my bulb goes again, if there is any money in the discretionary budget, I will consider moving up to a flat panel. Although I would still probably replace the bulb, but move the Sony to the playroom in the basement. that one gets a whole lot less use.

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  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    edited January 2011
    Here you go.....xl-2400 TV Lamp $80.10

    Thanks...there's always one in every forum. :mad:

    BTW, you should have only paid $400 for that CRT replacment. :D

    jmonroe

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,253
    "...I checked the link an the ad has been removed..."

    Very nice looking car. The owner went into great detail how well it ran...before the motor blew up! LOL

    Doesn't really matter, I'm just playing with my new found skill at posting links.

    The nephew says he wants to go looking again this week-end so keep your fingers crossed for a story.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,253
    "...Hope the SRX didn't break down.."

    I just had this image of Richard ripping wires out of the dashboard in frustration. :mad:

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Things are a little slow today so I am going to tell my story about how the police pulled me over on Tuesday.
    My last ticket was for going 20 mph over the limit when I was caught on photo radar, 15 years ago. In over 45 years of driving I have probably had less than 6 tickets in total.

    Here's the story;
    I was on a busy highway that has one lane of traffic in each direction, and there is a lane in the middle, I suppose mostly for cars that have to make a turn. The middle lane has a dotted yellow line on each side of the road, with a solid line on the inner part.

    The speed limit is 50 mph at this point. I got behind a Toyota Matrix with a big blob behind the wheel, and the car was going about 35 mph. Most people travel 60 to 70 along this stretch of road. I followed him for about 15 minutes, then noticed there was a string of cars behind me that stretched as far as I could see, and the cars in front of the slow car had gained about 300 yards.

    I checked no one was trying to pass from the rear, I waited until no cars were going in the opposite direction, put on my signal light, went around the slow guy, looked in my rear view mirror, and saw the cop pull out 2 cars back...with his lights all flashing.

    I pulled over immediately. Went to get out of the car and I heard him on his microphone say, don't get out of the car, close the door, put down your window.

    After a few minutes he asked me why I did what I did. I said the car in front was impeding the flow of traffic, and I felt it was safe to go over the yellow dotted line to go around him.
    The officer said, I was hoping you wouldn't say that because with that excuse I'll see your licence is taken away and you will have to take a test to get your licence back again.

    I said, well, I guess it would be better if I had waited, but the slow driver is impeding the flow of traffic and his car could not be running right, he could be drunk, I just passed very carefully, but next time I'll be more patient.

    All of a sudden he said, well just go ahead and drive more carefully from now on.

    So, I turned on my signal light, and pulled out into traffic very carefully, and drove at the speed limit all the rest of the way...while everyone else went speeding by.

    My thinking (and I did teach driving for about 5 years) is that yellow lines are more of a warning. A solid white line is stronger than a dotted line. White lines are legal, you are not to cross a solid white line.

    I believe the middle lane is a turning lane, but could be used if there isn't any traffic going the opposite direction. It is not to be used as a passing lane if traffic is flowing, but could be used to get around a slow moving truck or something.

    I think, he might have been able to charge me with careless driving or improper lane change or improper passing, but I don't think it would stick if I went to court. I think he realized that and so let me go.

    It is actually a good thing for this to happen once in awhile, because it scares the ---- (choose a word) out of you and it does make you more cautious, at least for awhile.

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  • verdugoverdugo Member Posts: 2,288
    $94. sounds unrealistic to me. You are probably just making the whole thing up. Any doc fee you are leaving out? Tax and title? Extended warranty?

    I bet he got screwed on the trade in. :P
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    edited January 2011
    A solid white line is stronger than a dotted line. White lines are legal, you are not to cross a solid white line.

    Don't you mean solid yello lines? White lines seperate lanes going in the same direction, yellow seperates lanes going opposite directions.

    Now if there is a middle lane for left turns then it is illegal to use it to pass traffic. You would have lost in court.

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  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    I've done that before (passed in turning lane), though with posted speed limit of around 40mph. I'll have to remember the, "he looked drunk and on drugs, so I passed carefully" excuse should I ever get pulled over. Good thinking. ;)
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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,529
    Every Friday in the Daily News & NY Post, there are a plethora of screamer ads for different dealerships in & around the 5 boroughs of New York City. The Jeep dealer in Manhattan ran an ad this week for a:

    MANAGER'S SPECIAL
    2011 Grand Cherokee LTD.
    Buy for 32,899 (SAVE $6671 OFF MSRP)
    Stock#:, 5.7L V8, heated leather seats, memory seating, navigation, dual panoramic roofs, roof rack, alum wheels, tint glass, MSRP: $39,570. Incl $1000 returning lesee rebate if qual.

    Now the recent snowstorms we've had where I live in CT have prompted me to rethink my winter driving philosphy of: "As long as the car has 4 dedicated winter tires, it will get us through the 10 - 12 snowstorms we have per year just fine. Why should I buy a vehicle for 10 days per year & not the other 55 days." Everytime it snows, we seem to get at least a foot. They don't salt the roads near me (due to the fact that many people have well water) & don't plow particularly well when I need to leave for work (6:30 AM). I've had the idea in my head now that we are going to need 1, maybe 2 vehicles with AWD/4WD. So I notice many ads for Jeep dealers advertise the cheap monthly payment lease on a Grand Cherokee Laredo with a big down payment for 10K miles per year.

    Naturally after seeing the ad for this particular Grand Cherokee 2 weeks in a row peaked my interest. If something is too good to be true... I went to the dealer's website to check for the stock number & found that they did have the Jeep in the ad, but the ad neglects to mention that the vehicle in the ad is REAR WHEEL DRIVE.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • ray80ray80 Member Posts: 1,655
    A 33K Jeep thats not even 4WD, ouch
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    edited January 2011
    Now if there is a middle lane for left turns then it is illegal to use it to pass traffic.


    Thanks for your answer, but this is what the traffic highway act says...for Ontario which is probably the same in most states.

    (b) in the case of a highway that is divided into three lanes, a vehicle shall not be driven in the centre lane except when overtaking and passing another vehicle where the roadway is clearly visible and the centre lane is clear of traffic within a reasonable safe distance, or in preparation for a left turn, or where the centre lane is at the time designated for the use of traffic moving in the direction in which the vehicle is proceeding and official signs are erected to indicate the designation;

    It seems to me, from this the middle lane could be used to pass, if all the rules are followed.

    What you said is true...white lines if going the same way, yellow for traffic going in two directions.

    One site that had a big debate about this had this one message that made sense;

    white divides lanes traveling in same direction
    yellow divides lanes traveling in different directions

    one dashed line (yellow or white) means you can cross the line
    one solid line (yellow or white) means you can't cross the line

    The line I crossed was dashed on my side of the road.

    One person wrote this:

    Keep in mind that, while a solid line may suggest you shouldn't go over it there is no prohibition against crossing the line to pass a vehicle when there is a solid line on your side of the center line, as long as the pass can be made safely.

    one solid & one dashed (typically yellow) means only the traffic on the side with the dashed lines can cross the line
    two solid lines means traffic in either directions can't cross the line

    It would be nice to really know the true answers, though best not to pass if in doubt.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    "...but he might have a will contract with Richard."

    Please don't mention Wills along with my name. That is why I haven't been here for a few days. My wife and I have been driving back and forth to Charlotte nearly every day. Her single cousin died, age 77, and left my wife the contents of his main house. Since he had quite a bit of money, the house contains antiques, valuable paintings, a collection of 32 valuable clocks, oriental rugs, over 300 pieces of sterling silver, etc. The problem is that the cousin's close friends and more distant cousins are raising hell because he didn't remember them in his Will, or they were orally promised certain things from the main house (He also owned three other homes and a pent house over looking the ocean.). No, we didn't get those.

    We are weary of dealing with the attorney and the executor of the estate. We have to have appraisals done, contact art, silver, and antique dealers, etc. At the same time, we are having to put up with complaining, greedy people. We have to store all of this stuff temporarily because the cousin left instructions that his main house is to be destroyed and burned within 120 days. Talk about eccentric! One thing is for sure. When it comes to money, people will kill you for fifty cents. The cousin didn't trust any one except for my wife. Now we have the burden of trying to sell off all of this stuff. As many of you know, my wife and i have been into antiques for years. Though it should be an enjoyable task, it is a daunting one that is going to be time consuming. If people would quit telling us what they were "promised", it would make life a little easier. I wish that the poor cousin would have just left my wife a check, like he did many of his close friends. Still, it is what it is, and we have to deal with it.

    We'll be away most of next week trying to deal with this situation. I'll try to check in from time to time. It's wonderful to come here and have a diversion from the complainers of the world. My wife has unplugged the phone and gone to bed. The puppy is asleep and I'm finally at peace with the universe.

    I see that we went from dishwashers to televisions while I was away. This is a good thing. By the end of 2011, we will probably have covered all household appliances. In the interim, perhaps oldfarmer will come forth with a car sales story from his nephew's experience.

    You guys be well.

    Richard
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    I saw an ad that said "Do you drive a 2005 or older Honda?" in todays paper. The ad is sponsored by the Ontario Honda Dealers.

    It goes on to say FREE Multi-point inspection & FREE 12 months Roadside Assistance if you bring your 2005 or older Honda in before February 28th.

    It sounds like a scam is hiding in this ad somewhere. What is it?

    My guess is they know they will find some work to perform on a 2005 or older Honda, and you will have to have that done to get the 12 month warranty. While you are there thay will also try to get you to trade in for a new car.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

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