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That's my impression too! I was once told putting a sign on a car and driving around is almost pointless. Few people will buy a car that way.
It seems to me that trying to sell a home by owner is false economy. The seller will expect you to knock off 4 or 5% because you are saving the commission. A good realtor can talk a person into realizing the house is worth more than they might be willing to pay. A realtor will show the people other houses to compare, and if yours is priced right it will stand out if it appeals to them. Selling a house by owner is going to only attract the worst prospects...people who aren't approved, who don't know what they are doing, who think they will save money, etc. etc..........blah! :mad:
One more thought. Let's say a house is worth $200k and the comission is $10k. The seller expects to save at least half...which leaves you $5k. What is 5K in the big scheme of things when you can move on into the house you want and get out of the house you want to leave?
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I think I like the name of the new forum! :P
I've had a reasonable amount of traffic with ads/open houses put in our local newspaper. Many, like you noted, seemed like they would have difficulty getting approved. Others seemed interested, and with money, but didn't call back. One did make a verbal offer, then backed out.
We're probably going to go with a real estate company that offers a flat fee service. Have gotten several mailers from them, they check out pretty good. For $300 they list your property on mls, with all the local and national real estate companies as well. They take photos of your home, prepare a persentation for viewers online. Prepare a CMA to accurately price your home, yard sign with flyer box, and presentation of offers and negotiation of offers. All I have to do is show the home. And with all the sales experience, and tricks of the trade and the "Jipst Method", I have thru this discussion... should have it sold within a month. :surprise:
Wish I would have started out with service instead of "By Owner". Live and learn they say.
If I sell the house, thru ad or individual looking thru mls, then no commision is paid. If an agent with client, looking thru mls, buy the house, they I would pay them a 3% commision. I think this method is almost as good as going straight with an agent, and I would bel saving 3% commission. Sounds pretty good don't it?
Also, when selling a house, most of the "work" is going to be done by the buyer, or buyers agent. All I (seller) have to do is sign the contract and show up at closing. Sounds even better don't it?
Commission here is 6%-7%... That's a big piece of change... Selling yourself allows you to cut price, making the sale easier, and still netting more than listing with a realtor..
Of course, as in any endeavor, knowing the market and making it an unemotional process helps a lot... Not much different than selling a car, yourself vs. trading it in...
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But, interest rates are at historic lows... If your house isn't selling, then either your advertising needs work or you've priced it too high...
(not you specifically, but in general)
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Around here commission rates started to drop during the last housing boom. Here in MA, 6-8% was the norm but when $500K houses were selling in a day, brokers began to feel a backlash when people felt little work was done to earn a $30-40K commission. Hence the rates started to drop.
That sounds like a good plan. It should create more traffic and a better type of possible buyers.
How are things selling in your neighborhood? I read where 1 in 3 homes in Venice Florida are for sale. Of course, lots of new homes there that were ready just in time for the big bust. I think homes that were owned are not really doing too badly.
The place we just bought has 72 units in the community and at any one time there are only 2 to 4 for sale which seems pretty good.
One thing about doing the Jipst Method, which I am a strong believer in and I have read the book.......I have heard, and have found from my own experience, it is best to say a few words to the lookers, but then get out of the way....as in go for a walk. I think the worse thing is to be following the people around and explaining stuff to them, and trying to "sell" them.
The best houses we looked at when buying we were left on our own a lot, to discuss and think things over.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
We decided to keep the Grand Caravan. Its shear practicality and now near-zero depreciation were too much to pass up. We invested some maintenance and repair funding in the ol’ van, along with my own time, sweat, tears, and blood (and I mean that literally), and today it’s in fine running condition.
Still, miles are creeping up on the Grand Caravan and we wanted to limit its use to only when needed, mostly for towing or volume needs. We decided to supplement it with an economy car for everyday use, and started a new search.
While I enjoy driving around the B class cars for short periods, we decided for safety sake and similar fuel economy to look at compacts and small midsize vehicles, with a preference for hatchbacks and wagons, but willing to settle on a sedan if it was superior in other ways. Once again all options were included on paper, and then whittled down for further research.
The options included:
Ford Focus 5-door
Chevy Cruze sedan
Honda Civic
Hyundai Elantra
Mazda Mazda3 (I still find that a bizarre naming convention)
VW Golf TDI
VW Jetta Sportwagen
(to be continued....miss ya' Mack)
Ha, ha.
Ford Focus 5-door
Chevy Cruze sedan
Honda Civic
Hyundai Elantra
Mazda Mazda3 (I still find that a bizarre naming convention)
VW Golf TDI
VW Jetta Sportwagen
Hope you give us your impressions of each one. It's an interesting list. I haven't driven any of those but the Jetta Sportwagen would seem to offer a lot more car for the dollar (but, there could be drawbacks as we all know). The Cruze looks pretty substantial too. The others get good reviews. I can hardly wait..................
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
True, but the real estate salesperson puts it all in motion and watches over it.
Our salesman in Florida did an incredible job of getting us into our new home. We couldn't have done it on our own. He was worth every penny.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
For the most part the styling and Euro/Mazda heritage are very appealing and it was an early favorite for our choice. The 5-door is particularly appealing with generous cargo volume and the rear styling is particularly attractive in my opinion. Only the front bumper is off putting.
My brother-in-law is a Ford guy with a Mustang GT convertible, F250 diesel, Bronco II, Taurus, and Fusion currently in his arsenal. He’s excited we’re looking at our first Ford. We picked his favorite Ford dealership for our visit and happened upon a terrific sales rep. He greeted us in the show room and didn’t attack us in the parking lot, answered our initial questions, and then handed us the keys to the only hatch on the lot, an SEL with auto. Even better he volunteered to stay behind and give us some privacy.
During our test drive I noted the superb suspension and steering, and even liked the dual-clutch auto despite MANY complaints from others in the Focus forums. The transmission shifts quickly and smoothly, which surprised me as I’d heard the dual-clutch is rough at low speeds, but we never saw any evidence of anything other than a great transmission.
The interior materials are top notch and during the drive I felt like I was in a VW. Truly a great car. That said, the wrap-around dash and interior door trim intrude on cabin space, and both my wife and I felt cramped. My knees rubbed on the door and center console, and even though the seats were perfect, we couldn’t get comfortable with the interior bits intruding in on us. Road noise and vibrations were well isolated, a definite plus.
Even with the interior space limitations, it’s still a great car and probably just requires a little adjustment. MPG is a bit down in non-SFE iterations compared to the competition. We spec’d out what we thought we would want if we chose the Focus, and the sales rep checked in-state inventories and incoming vehicles for a match. No dice, so a special order is required. Since Ford closes for the holidays we would likely have to wait until January for our vehicle.
We left the dealership impressed but a bit concerned about interior volume and a brand-new transmission design (dry twin-clutch setup).
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Not too bad. Unfortunately, and fortunately, there are 4 other houses for sale on my street. So while it does bring in some traffic from people driving by to look at other houses, I have had several people (looking at my house) ask if there was "something going on" because there are so many houses for sale on our street.
Guess a lot of owners found out I was moving, thought without the old Jip around their property values would drop... so they split. :shades:
The best houses we looked at when buying we were left on our own a lot, to discuss and think things over.
I try to ask prospective buys which they prefer, a personal walk thru, or a walk thru at their own leisure. Personal I like both.
One thing about doing the Jipst Method, which I am a strong believer in and I have read the book.......
LOL. Cool. You get the first autographed copy of my next book.
I'm with the BIL. Think about this, what if you had to transport a dozen 12 foot long bamboo poles all at once. Honda-no, VW-no, Mustang Convertible-YES ding ding...we have a winner.
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I enjoyed your review of the Focus...hope you do similar reviews for the other cars. I just read a review that said the Focus was an excellent car, the 2 door is a lot sportier feeling than the 4 door.
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It feels just the right size with plenty of room for 4 adults and a generous trunk (15.5 cu/ft). Interior materials are of lower quality than the Ford, but for the other attributes I’m willing to overlook that weakness. The bright ECO wheels were an initial turnoff for me since I’m not a chrome type of guy, but it’s hard to argue with their forged quality and low weight, and over time the has style has grown on me. My only real concern is the lack of a spare tire. The ECO manual transmission cannot be had with a spare, only the auto tranny. I’ve destroyed 3 sets of tires in my company car in the last year, which granted took place over 45,000 miles, but a couple of those occurred in remote areas with no cell phone access. In my book, a spare is a must.
The steering and suspension feel middle of the road, not soft like a Corolla but also not as firm as a Mazda3. Steering and suspension tuning make it a comfortable and competent commuter car with enough inherent responsiveness to make it interesting. Road and wind noise along with road vibrations are very well isolated.
Thoroughly impressed in how far Chevy has come with driving quality, my wife and I visited a second time so she could have a look-see. Her impressions mirrored mine and she could easily see herself using it as a daily driver.
Our sales rep has been great about following up and keeping us updated with new arrivals. Unlike the Ford dealer he has accompanied us on our two drives, but that’s not atypical of my experiences this year.
We checked inventories and once again found our perfect vehicle didn’t exist anywhere nearby. The color combo is one that just started production with a new paint color, so either we would special order and wait 6 weeks or hope a match was already in production.
You guys are really on top of things. No, there isn't a 2 door, only sedan and hatch....but they do get great reviews.
I looked at the review and what he said was "It would feel even sportier if available as a 2 door".
Glad someone is actually reading the Driver's Forum so closely.
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Ty, very nicely written review. I find your reviews cover the things I would be looking for if I was interested in those cars...and I am.
Too bad Richard isn't around to check out your pros...I find your writing style to be easy to follow and you use just the right phrase to explain the points you are making.
I get 3 newspapers with car review columns but I would prefer to read your reviews...they are in a language I can follow and cover the topics I am interested in knowing about.
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I too like having a spare, even a 50-mile compact spare, in the trunk.
My first thinking is that a spare can be purchased directly from the parts department or a junkyard and put into the storage place it normally fills.
Second, compact spare is a $100 option in the ECO with the manual transmission. I just built a car on the Chevy website to see how the compact spare is handled.
The spare's weight was probably left out to maximize the EPA ratings for the ECO model with the manual. So many people use the EPA ratings as gospel, rather than a rough guide, that having the highest possible EPA is necessary.
So you can special order the car if the dealer doesn't have one in stock with a spare option on it. Or the dealer can add the parts through their parts department for the spare and the holddown parts.
If you voiced the concern over lack of a spare to the salesman, he should have explained it was an option.
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after a weekend of driving one.
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A custom swap out is definitely an option, but it'll add about $500 to the bottom line. Chevy uses a different trunk floor liner design for the non-spare ECO, which means I would need to buy the new liner, wheel, jack, and mounting hardware. Price for all that is around $500, a very expensive spare, but certainly an available option.
The benefit to no spare, other than weight savings, is that Chevy uses the space for more storage. The trunk is rated at 15.4 cu/ft, and I'm guessing that's assuming a spare, so without I would think the volume exceed 16 cu/ft. Putting that in perspective, the Cruze has more storage than an Accord.
I think we should line up the MB, a Porsche 911 convertible, and a Ferarri Spider convertible just to cover our bases
It is unbelievable that they don't allow for a spare on the Cruse ECO. At least they should give you run flat tires with this model. I can see wanting to advertise you have really good gas mileage ratings, but how do you manage without a spare?
Someone will probably come out with an after market device so you can carry a donut spare around with you. GM must have their reasons, and I'd be curious to know what they are.
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GM made a conscious decision do do away with the spare tire, saves 26 pounds (on a car that is pretty heavy in it's category).
Here are some things I found out;
Although (compact) spare tires were standard on the preceding Cavalier and Cobalt models, GM instead elected to provide each brand new Cruze with a different solution: an on-board inflator, much like that found in the Chevrolet Corvette.
GM believes the inflator — which can also inject a sealant capable of repairing quarter-inch gouges and punctures– is a practical alternative. Better yet, it also sheds nearly 26 pounds of weight from the vehicle’s curb weight. But is adopting such a system a risky proposition? The automaker doesn’t believe so, noting that tire pressure monitoring systems — like that found in the Cruze — push owners to maintain correct tire pressures, helping reduce the chances of developing a flat.
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Cruze spare tire????
I like this color for the Cruze too. But, from what I read, it handles like a Corolla, it is pretty slow and heavy, it has a high belt line and low seats, and the steering is pretty numb. I like the looks of it, but I am not so sure it is for people who appreciate some level of performance and feel of the road.
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You can put me on that list too. I tried to do it at the end of 1988. In fact it was this very month in 1988. We bought our second house in September and were going to move in the first week of 1989. I tried for a month but no go. Got a few nibbles but that was it. So I decided to call in the pros.
IMHO, the 3-4% commission rate the realtor gets is worthwhile.
In the Burgh area in ’88 the going rate was 6%. I called 2 different realtors, they came over, wanted the listing and of course they had someone that they KNEW would be interested. I said to the 2 of them, “really, you have someone in mind do ya?” The answer from both of them was, “oh yeah, this house is in great shape. I won’t have a problem selling this place even at this time of the year”. I figured everything involving money is negotiable, especially after hearing this so I said to both of them, “I don’t want to pay more than 4% commission”. That’s when I killed the deal. The both folded their tents and bailed. :sick:
Mrs. jmonroe is now furious that I did this both times and said, “those are the 2 biggest realtors in this area. Now what are you going to do, Mr. Know-It-All”?
I call the next guy and I find out that this is the worst time of the year to sell a house because of the upcoming holidays (just like I thought too) and he was a little surprised that the other two didn’t think the same. He felt that the “buyer in hand” comment was a big crock, just like I surmised. Since the two of us seem to be on the same page I figured, hey, maybe he’ll listen to the little less commission probe. He did and was willing to go for 5% but said that anything less would probably turn off others on multi-list so I shouldn’t push too hard.
We had a deal and the house sold in February just like he thought it would and he was the seller. FWIW, I got more than I thought I would by a few grand but the 2 realtors that I first tried to deal with never brought over one single person. I wonder why? :surprise:
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I tried the Edmunds site for pricing and I didn't even see the ECO choice there.
So they change the configuration of the trunk storage in the manual ECO...
Are you sure you don't want an automatic.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
When you read the reviews, be sure you're looking at the ECO with manual transmission. It's a standout in that lineup. Acceleration is significantly better in that one particular setup due to gearing changes and lighter weight, and the suspension is lowered with better driving characteristics. Funny enough, the ECO is both the fuel miser and the better driver. The tires are hard, so aggressive cornering will make them squeal.
The ECO is one of the better commuter cars, more of a daily driver. Definitely more lively than a Corolla, but no where near a BMW (or Focus/Mazda3/Golf in this class). When you're comparing 42 mpg cars your options are pretty limited and you'll be hard pressed to find a better handling vehicle at this price. But they do exist. Stay tuned :shades:
For seating position, my wife and I are on the taller side, so we didn't notice any issue with the belt line. In fact, the seats hugged us quite nicely, but for the average (North) American they may be a bit narrow.
Pants on fire!
That is not true. Models of the Cobalt came with the inflator to quick repair the minor leaks in a tire. Many option packages included the upgrade to the donut spare, so many Cobalts already had a spare while sitting on the dealer lot.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Honda Civic
What a disappointment. Consumer Reports is right. I didn’t even need to drive the thing. Exterior and interior styling are a total yawn and with so many other good options on the market I’m not willing to spend money on lackluster efforts. Do better, Honda.
Hyundai Elantra
The Elantra is another one I test drove and then went for a second look with my wife. The styling is unique and impressive, and interior material qualities are very good, and the pricing can’t be beat. Plus the EPA estimated mpg is exceptional, though user forums indicate obtaining those figures in real-world is a challenge.
One problem we encountered were the limited color combo choices. No offense to anyone with an Elantra tan interior, but we found the color, well, let’s just say “not to our liking.” That left us with the black interior or opting for the top trim with black leather, which includes a sun roof. The black fabric interiors have limited exterior color options, none of which are our first pick. Upgrading to the Limited with leather opens more exterior colors options, but then a sun roof is standard. A sunroof is a deal killer for us due to headroom constraints and preference, so we genuinely couldn’t find a trim and interior/exterior trim combo we liked.
The driving dynamics are okay but not lively like a 3 or Focus. It’s oriented towards the Corolla end of the spectrum. If I put them in order, I’d start with a Corolla, then an Elantra, and then further down the line a Cruze ECO. Road noise and vibration are much more prominent than the Focus or Cruze, and it felt less confident on the freeway. I guess the best description is “isolated” from the driving experience. I actually felt less in control.
Build quality is awesome. Hyundai has become an exceptional auto builder. I loved my 06 Sonata but admit that today’s models have improved leaps and bounds above that benchmark.
Our sales rep was more aggressive than the others we’ve encountered, particularly when we took a second look as a family. We were on our way to a local performing arts theater for children and had 30 minutes for my wife to review it following my solo test drive. My goal was to determine if she was interested enough to come back the next day for a more in-depth test drive. So, I mentioned to her, with the sales rep nearby, “is it worth coming back for a drive?” That put our sales rep on the defensive.
He stated the Hyundai has best in class power and highest expected residual value after 5 years, and focused on the long warranty. I assured him I believed in Hyundai as a former owner, but I knew the power comment wasn’t true, and casually mentioned some competing models. The residual value comment surprised me, though. Has Hyundai truly caught up in that category already? If so, that’s an amazing transformation in such a short period of time.
The styling, price, theoretical MPG, build quality, and interior materials are the main selling points. I’d say anyone looking at a Corolla would be shortsighted to not give an Elantra a look.
During a hot market time I had a friend who called 2 realtors and they both said they had a buyer for his house. He said fine, the one who brings in the first buyer who actually signs will get the commission.
One of them actually did have a buyer and he got the full commission.
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The review I scanned was this one which seems to be pretty honest:
2012 Chevy Cruze
In summary:
The choice among these three is clear for a driving enthusiast: get the Ford. But hypermilers looking for a comfortable, economical commuter that doesn’t look or feel like a penalty box can’t do much better than the Chevrolet Cruze Eco. While in charge of product development at GM, Bob Lutz put a high priority on refinement, and it shows in this car (much more than in the Sonic). The curb weight took a big hit as a result, punting it nearly into midsize sedan territory, but once the Cruze is doing what its name suggests it does best this seems to have little impact. What’s still missing: as in the Toyotas the Cruze beats at their own game, there’s no sense of occasion, and nothing aside from excellent fuel economy to get excited about.
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BTW That Hyundai salesman sounds like he makes up facts as he goes along. However, the high depreciation might have been because of the new guaranteed depreciation plan.
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That's why I commented earlier about the EPA push for the ECO Cruze. Some people live and die based on the "reported" MPG. But in reality another car with lower mileage may do better for normal people in normal driving. And does it make a difference whether a car gets 38 mpg on a trip of a couple hundred miles or it gets 37 when you are driving it? The difference in gallons used is minor or trivial. The gallons used as a function of mpg is a hyperbola and it rapidly flattens after 28-30 mpg.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
As I posted a few months ago:
No one does the math; for example, if I traded my 2007 Mazdaspeed3(27 mpg average) for a new Jetta TDI(35 mpg average) I'd save $684 per year(based on driving 20,000 miles per year and assuming $4 per gallon gas). If I could buy the Jetta for my MS3 + $5,000 cash -fat chance- I'd still have to drive it for over seven years just to break even.
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Second, acceleration is quite quick, too. When I drove it for the first time I was expecting the 9ish 0-60, but my gut told me that had to be wrong based on the pull of the motor through 3rd gear. No way it was that slow. So, a little research educated me that the slower times reported in most magazines are the non-eco auto trannies. The ECO manual is much faster, 7.8 seconds according to Car & Driver:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2011-chevrolet-cruze-eco-review-car-and-driv- er
That's more like it. I don't mind the slower 9ish time since this will be an economy car, but 7.8 is very quick and impressive for this category.
Third, weight is about 3,000 lbs, heavier than the Hyundai but lighter than the smaller Focus the reviewer praised. I think additional weight in both the Cruze and Focus helps give them a more solid feel, with little impact to economy in the Cruze. The Focus engine is bigger, but acceleration is similar, probably due to gearing.
Overall I think it was a fair review. The ECO has quite a few reviews out there and most are quite positive with just a few quibbles. Looking at the whole package, I'd say GM has done a great job with the Cruze and it's worth a test drive. BTW, I've never owned a GM.
The Cruze is NOT a performance car, though. It's a fuel efficient option at a low MSRP with decent handling and comfort. The Focus gives you better feel for the road with a bit less fuel efficiency and smaller cabin.
Interior materials aren’t the Mazda3’s strength. Hard and shiny rule the cabin, and back seat legroom is rather limited. I’m also not a fan of the interior lighting which looks dated compared to most of the modern options out there. Even with cheaper materials the build quality is quite good and I’d be comfortable with the reliability and durability over the long haul.
Exterior styling is interesting, and the new model helps alleviate the “grin” a bit with minor tweaks. It’s still distinctive even with the changes. Some like it, some don’t. I’m okay with it. My concern with highly styled bodies like the 3 and Elantra is how dated they may look later.
A big plus is the availability of a hatch, which looks good and provides a whole lot more cargo space. I especially love that the new economical motor is paired with the hatch, which previously only came with the stronger 2.3 motor at the significant sacrifice of fuel economy. The hatch combined with near-40 mpg and great handling make for a promising vehicle.
Despite the lower quality interior, I think with the exceptional fuel economy and terrific driving character (dare I say BMW-like? No, it’s not quite that intuitive), the Mazda3 is going to be exceptionally popular.
One BIG problem for me with the Mazda3: NHTSA safety scores. The side impact test result is pitiful, especially for the rear occupant, where my daughter, friends, and family would sit. Two out of 5 stars. I was unpleasantly surprised by that revelation. But how many people will delve that deep into research? I’m not normal; just ask my friends and family. I doubt the poor scores will affect many sales.
He is about to drive a new car home, the Ody is about to be mine.. yikes!
I think that he might have some big news to post tonight
(just kidding)
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I've got an '84 that I could let you drive if you just want to get a stiff neck. I'm 6'2" and I have to take my hat off to drive it if I leave the roof on. :sick:
Lot of fun with the roof off though.
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About what my farm made this year...before taxes. :sick:
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Can you say "Meth Lab"? Be afraid...be very afraid. :surprise:
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I can't wait to hear both sides of the actual sales story:)
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He got to drive the Ford
I'll let him post... Can tell ya this.
Made around $65 or so on the car, warranty at cost and he got the buy rate
The Car and Driver review seems very realistic, and it makes the Cruze sound like a great buy. Although, they do favor the Focus which most articles do. I like the looks of the Cruze more...the Focus is a little more edgy, which is what young people are looking for these days.
I really like the interior of the Cruze, and many economy cars these days have very nice interiors.
All the cars on your list sound like they would be great cars to buy in that market. I also see ads for Kia Optima, starting at around $20k. And, I read an excellent review on the Golf models with lots of praise, especially for the TDI model. They raved about the handling, safety, and comfort.
That's a very competitive market.
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